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I've never done it and I've always thought it was so bad... but I just don't really get it...
My boyfriend came to school compeletely stoned this morning and I hated the glazed over look in his eyes, but are there any health effects to it? Why is it even illegal? I know smoking anything is really bad for you but what if it was baked into some "magic" brownies or something...? Why do people say it's so bad?? When You're At The End Of Your Rope...
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November 11th 2011, 03:39 AM
Mhhm why it's illegal?
Well... What I learned in health class is that 1. It is the gateway drug. Although it might not be a drug that has that bad of health defects, the addiction to the high has a tendency to drive people to harder drugs that can truly mess you up. 2. Smoke. If you smoke it too much- well not good. Breathing too much of anything in other than oxygen isn't healthy at all. I can't remember the exactly what it does but it's been a few years since I took health... Just remember your body depends on oxygen to function. Breathing in any type of smoke replaces the amount of oxygen per breath and makes you breath in stuff your body isn't fully prepared to handle all the time... 3. The actual high feeling. Okay being high off of anything can be dangerous. (So can being drunk... see bellow) A lot of things can go wrong when you smoke too much pot. I have friends who could barely walk and I needed to help carry them. Some people decide to drive while high, which in some cases, may or may not be safe. It really depends... but it can be dangerous. Okay so I must say I'm not against pot. I kinda think it's silly it's illegal-and I've never smoked it in my life. A lot of my friends have, some frequently, but I personally never tried it and I'm not planning on to. I see it as illegal as beer. That's why, right now, some states are iffy about having it being illegal, and why there's a great debate about legalizing pot. It's not that bad, but it isn't the most healthy thing in the world. |
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November 11th 2011, 01:37 PM
Yeah. I agree with you. I think it should be legalized. People are gonna do it anyway. And you're right it's bad but it could be a lot worse. Ive never tried it,but I had an ex who did and I have a few friends who do. But I don't intend on trying it.
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November 11th 2011, 02:26 PM
I've never smoked it, and I don't want to. I just don't see the need to alter the way I feel. I don't really like to drink either because it I don't like that out of control feeling. But I also don't see why it is illegal and alcohol isn't. I could care less if it was legalized, as long as it was kept out of the hands of children and stuff like that.
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November 11th 2011, 04:07 PM
People say its bad because it's illegal, and not worth fucking up your life for.
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November 12th 2011, 03:25 AM
Yeah I agree with all you guys too.
The only reason why I get worried when my friends do it is because it can be addicting. People say that you "can't get addicted to pot" but I've seen people who are addicted. It might not be the actual drug they get addicted to, but the feeling of high pot can give you. I've met people who let pot control their lives. It is all they do. That, I consider unhealthy. When any object, definitely one that can be consumed/breathed in by the body/ starts controlling your life, you have a problem. Pot might be just as bad as alcohol, but alcoholism can screw up a life so bad. Some people can't handle pot, just like how some people can't handle alcohol. |
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November 14th 2011, 02:22 AM
It still kind of seems stupid now that I've been researching it...
The smoke inhalation is unhealthy, but the drug itself isn't... If you didn't get totalllly stoned (had just enough to relax and slightly alter you mood), didn't drink, didn't take any other drugs, and didn't smoke it (baked it into something)... would there even be a single negative health affect? I'm not saying I'd go and ever smoke it, it's illegal and not worth the legal risks at allll, but there aren't even any major health risks right? In fact, some people say small quantities every now and then is perfectly okay and might even be healthy (right...?) When You're At The End Of Your Rope...
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November 14th 2011, 03:10 AM
kayla1234: In the same way that small doses of radiation and junk food are healthy. Theoretically they are, in a lab they are, but somehow finding a non-evasive way to adminster the right amount between useless and harmful is tricky if not in a lab situation.
It works as a gateway drug, the smoke inhaltion is harmful, and when high your choices are impared. Tabaco, as filthy of a habit as it is doesn't make you "high", which is why it's legal. Until we find a way to acurately monitor how "high" someone is (Like an alcohol breathalizer test.) it will remain legal. It impares your choices, your reflexes and behaviours. It's not safe to drive while high, it's not safe to sign legal documents while high. Once some form of drug breathalizer is cheaply made and widely distributed I wouldn't be surprised if it's made legal. In the meantime no one has any responsibility for any bad choices you make while high, because right now the drug is against the law for protection of the public from abuse, and others abusing it (DUIs are a great example of this). - Justin ![]() |
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November 17th 2011, 03:45 AM
BeautifullyCreated: You cannot develope a physical addiction, but psychological is totally possible.
The fact it can be laced doesn't say a whole lot about how safe it is. Alcohol is more harmful? Source. Why is Alcohol legalized then either? Plants can be harmful. Poison Ivy should stand for proof enough. Not to mention some household plants (Ones that are nicknamed "Christmas plants" whose real name eludes me right now.) is a nice example. People can smoke it every day and be healthy NOW, but like real smoking ten years from now will tell another story. It's really not that bad? Where is your source for this bullet? Are your other uncited statments supposed to function as such? - Justin ![]() |
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November 19th 2011, 06:53 PM
The reason it's illegal is because way back when there was a man who didn't want his lumber business to go out of business. Hemp was easier to manage and grew faster. He made a campaign to make marijuana seem dangerous. He won. No one has ever died because of solely marijuana. Also, the government couldn't put a tax on it. Overall, it's all because of money.
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November 29th 2011, 01:48 AM
I dont think it should be leagalized.
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Reading through this thread has made me cringe a bit because of the nonsense and incorrect information. First, the gateway drug theory has been scientifically refuted thousands of times and is riddled with flaws. The fact they even teach it in health class is pretty poor. Second, it is hard to say whether marijuana is addicting because there's research for and against it but ultimately it comes down to one's definition of addiction. However, even for the stringiest definition, physical addiction may be seen in those who ingest large amounts for a long time. Third, the smoke is harmful just like the smoke of tobacco (not to say they're equal, I'd rather avoid that debate).
A commonly-cited health concern from marijuana is short-term memory loss, particularly with long-term use. However, anecdotal evidence often refutes this and research is confounded because the diminished oxygen supply from any cause can affect memory. Many researchers avoid this issue by i.v. injections, however, that is problematic on its own because it ensures 100% bioavailability, whereas smoking it reduces to around 50-60% bioavailability, perhaps even lower. As a result, studying the effects over time will always be amplified. Although it was not mentioned in this thread (thankfully), people often point out THC as being the "main active ingredient" in marijuana and attribute the health benefits and consequences to it. People who state that deserve a slap upside the head because there are other "main active ingredients", such as cannabinoids as well as slew of cannabinoid neurotransmitters naturally produced by the body (i.e. anandamide). Marijuana has shown to be beneficial as it has protective neurodegenerative properties, that is, it can buffer the progression of Alzheimer's and other neurodegenerative diseases. Furthermore, the US recently allowed dronabinol and nabilone as synthetic cannabinoid medications for individuals to take like any normal medication without risking the oxygen-depletion or pulmonary-vascular effects from smoking marijuana. In this sense, it has been the only illegal drug to have medical effects and currently used. Quote:
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Why is Marijuana illegal?
Because it alters your mind? No, then alcohol'd be out too. Because it can be harmful to inhale smoke? Why aren't ciggs legal? No one can know for sure, I think. There are a lot of reasons; drug wars, false tests, racism associated with marijuana, associations with hippies, anythings. There are a million different things people will tell you. You'll probably go out of your mind if you want an exact answer. No test has ever had the results of cannabis usage having a relationship with cancer. Lots of people assume that it would, but Cannabis is a completely different substance than all of the chemicals in cigarettes. Now If someone were to smoke a joint, depending where they got it, it could very well have things like Tar in it, which isn't good for your lungs at all. That's why most cannabis users have a vaporizer, so that's not really a problem. But, the fact is still there. There has been a test that said it killed brain cells. This was conducted in the early 1970's by Drs. Heath & Tulane. After 90 days of administering monkeys 30 joints/day, all monkey had brain damage. Oh, wow. Oh that's crazy. I don't want to be stupid, I don't want my people to be stupid, so BAN. After 6 years of probing into the results of the test more, Dr. Heath revealed that, using a gas mask, he and his associate had pumped the equivalent of 60 joints over the course of 5 minutes into their monkeys. They were suffocating the monkeys. Oops. They're poor primate's brain cells were being killed off from lack of oxygen. As this was the only test to ever result in signs of brain damage, that theory is kinda' out the window. There has actually been a study that said cannabis usage could promote brain cell growth, but that's much to new to pay much attention to, mind you. Tobacco kills about 430,000 deaths per year. Number one killer. Alcohol rings in at over 85,000 deaths annually. Lighting kills about 10,000 people per year; Texting about 6,000; Hippos about 2,900; Volcanoes about 850; Shopping on Black Friday, 550; Falling out of bed, 450. Cannabis use has never actually killed a person before. That puts it below rollercoasters, sharks, vending machines. You name it. For me, that helps put things in perspective. So as long as a person is safe, they've little to worry about with the use of marijuana. PLEASE REMEMBER This is what I've found, when I had the exact same question as you. This is some of the information I've collected, but what you need to do if you really want to know more is do your own research. Look around, find some stuff out, ask some smokers, non smokers, do what you need to do until you're satisfied. You can't really depend on everything other people tell you. For all you know, I'm totally bullshitting you. But I'd like you to know that I'm not trying to provide biased information, in fact, I don't use marijuana. Just because you can't find anything wrong with something doesn't mean you need exploit it. I've smoked 5 times, and that was to help figure out the answer to my question - You can't really base an opinion on something without having experience. For me, at least. So I think that's all I really have to say ... I really hope this helped you some. Good luck! xxx. So I pretend that I'm amazed, .and that I can't believe my eyes He made the world disappear! But I do that trick, all the fucking time ![]() But only one is a wanderer, Two are always going somewhere. |
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December 17th 2011, 02:26 AM
So first, let's look into why Pot is illegalized. I don't want to look amazingly smart and give no credit, so I will direct you to this website.
http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/...juana-illegal/ So take a look at that. Also, pot can be a gate-way drug. To people who need a bigger high, and have the connections. If you have the right connections, you can get to Acid, Shrooms, Ex, and a ton of other drugs. To some, not all, people will smoke pot, look at shrooms and think "Well, I've smoked pot, so I can do this." thinking they can control the high, or the experience. Truth is, you can't. Enough about other drugs. The smoke from pot doesn't absolutely ruin your lungs or body. In fact, the only way you could ruin your lungs are if you mix Tobacco, use rolling papers (joints), or blunts (Cigar wrapper). If you use a bong, a pipe, or vaporizers you'll be doing MINIMAL to NO damage to your lungs. The only other way would be a scratchy throat because of coughing or all of the bullshit you eat without chewing ![]() The high is a REAL high, and doesn't take any chemical out of your body to do it such as Extasy. The high comes from the natural chemical itself on the plant. The high DOESN'T mess with your brain, it DOESN'T mess with your body, and it DOESN'T mess with anything but your perception. In fact, a lot of artists, students, and even teachers use Pot to calm them down in situations where they have to concentrate. I know a lot of times I can't write without taking a few hits, or sleep without taking a few hits. IF you do get REALLY stoned, the worst you'll feel is in the morning (kind of like a hang-over) but a lot of people don't get Weed Hangovers. I guess I'm the lucky one ![]() The only way Pot is "bad" is the same way Alcohol is bad, other than damaging brain cells ('cause Pot doesn't do that, in my opinion. Not sure about scientific opinions or facts.), is perception of things. Like driving, playing video games, concentrating on one thing, zoning out. To me, if I get REALLY stoned, I can't drive, I can't play video games better, I can't concentrate on one thing usually, and I zone out a lot instead of paying attention. The only thing I can really do is create art. But having just enough to make you pretty stoned can actually cause you to think clearer and with more creativity. That's my thought on pot. Btw, I've been smoking pot for about 4 years now. And the only thing that feels different, is my weight. I've gained some weight since I've smoked pot. My breathing has been fine for 4 years, and always has been, I never have coughing fits, I can jog perfectly fine and not lose breath easily, and so far I don't have cancer. But, that isn't saying you will be perfectly fine, too. Pot effects different people different ways, as everything does. I hope I helped! |
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As far as I know (from what I've read in an article), If you smoke pot too much
* Academically, you start becoming distracted and you don't do as well because you're loosing brain cells. * It's hard on your lungs because you're breathing in smoke. * It becomes addictive, so you want more and more. * It can cause trouble for you, friends, and family. * And, overall, it's just not healthy because it can get you into trouble. That's all I really know, I'm not into drugs and alcohol. It's just not cool. Dubstep. Wub Wub.
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I smoked pot since I was 14 until last year. Its really hard on the growing brain, I didn't do well in school because I was always high. Its nothing to be proud of and its a shame I wasted all that time in school. I found that it was addicting and really hard to stop using. Recently when I wen't to the doctors I made a point to ask the same question you did here.
"why's it so bad?" He said that it can cause Schizophrenia and anxiety issues. It also dulls your emotions and things make you uneasy and temperamental. Being high can also lead to socializing issues. I haven't got a good thing to say about it and I've done enough to fill a cargo ship. You'd be doing yourself a favour by staying away from it trust me, anyone who says otherwise doesn't have your best interest in mind. |
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December 26th 2011, 03:18 AM
I don't see anything wrong with it. Doesn't have affects any worse than cigarettes and alcohol IMO. *rolls joint*
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I've smoked it myself. A lot of my friends and family smoke it. I don't plan on touching the stuff again though.
I don't think getting "high" off anything is a good idea. It effects your judgement, gives you something else to do when you could be doing something useful, it's illegal so if you get caught it could fuck your life up, your giving money to organised crime, there's a chance it could be laced etc. Like Justin said, the fact that is COULD be laced should show you how trustworthy it is. The last time I smoked it I felt dizzy, was sick all night and nearly fainted. It's a lot stronger than it used to be in the 60s. Smoking anything isn't good for you. I don't personally think any drug is worth the consequences. I know smoking one joint isn't exactly going to kill you but overall the cons overweigh the pros. ![]() |
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You're now implying perception indeed involves the brain, so you've negated your previous opinion. Why in your non-scientific opinion does pot not damage brain cells? The scientific view is not set in stone because many studies have found that brain cells indeed are damaged. Another view is pot can protect and help "heal" damaged neural networks. Quote:
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It can be bad for you in many ways. I personally believe it can be seen as a gateway drug (my ex is concrete proof of that sometimes happening to Weed users), It CAN make you develop mental health problems, or perhaps be more inclined to. I used to do it every so often, and it isn't good. I had mild paranoia and it did not help one bit...
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Alcohol and tobacco are far worse and are legal. There are conflicting studies on whether or not weed causes damage to the body, but overall, it's not as harmful as alcohol or tobacco can be. I used to be anti-marijuana until I educated myself on said subject. I personally would like to see weed legalized, but the chance of that realistically happening is pretty slim.
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January 4th 2012, 01:31 AM
As someone who has utilized pot for a few months fairly heavily, how bad the drug is really depends on the person who is using it, if they have an addictive personality then yes there is a problem with them using it, but that is like alcohol in the same sense that certain people will react to the substance poorly. Pot is basically a plant that instills a high when burned and the smoke inhaled, there has been no real link to any major negative health effects to my knowledge (unlike cigarettes) besides the negative effects that come from inhaling non oxygen substances. We all know that with anything people can become less than responsible, but if pot is sold and used as intended and has some regulations put in place (as there is with alcohol) I think legalization of pot would go over well. Just my two cents worth
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Re: What's so bad about pot...? -
January 5th 2012, 04:37 AM
Pot is a gateway drug more so then any others, often times people who use pot either drink or smoke tobacco if not both. While its not fair to say one hit turns you into a drug connoisseur it certainly opens up ideas to other drugs or perhaps an interest in getting high that you've never had before. To say there's nothing wrong with it is incorrect, there's a negative affect to every substance, some are just worse then others.
Please just keep in mind its okay to share your views on the topic just try not to advocate the use of pot. Thanks. |
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