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One Year to Freedom - July 8th 2012, 08:26 AM

Just letting everyone know that you have exactly one year until you'll be rid of me!

July 8th 2013 I'm being deployed for the Marine Corps.

And to whomever posted a suggestion saying we should put a warning for trolling at the top of threads................ watch your back!




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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 8th 2012, 09:21 AM

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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 8th 2012, 09:36 AM

Erm. I have been meaning to ask for a while, what are Marine Corps? I have heard about them a lot in movies and books but I am not really sure what they are. Are they like any other army persons or different?

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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 8th 2012, 12:42 PM

I don't know what that is either, but congrats!


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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 8th 2012, 03:57 PM

Short answer: Marines are the toughest mother****ers around.

Long answer: They are some soldiers who can be very quickly deployed to any conflict. For example, large parts of the war in the Pacific during WWII was fought by marines. A large part of the peace keeping/war on terror in the middle east was/is fought by marines as well.

To put it simply, think of of every Call of Duty level. Roughly 80% of them put you in the boots of a marine.

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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 8th 2012, 05:51 PM

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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 8th 2012, 06:03 PM

I'm not sure how you want people to react to that.

Looking at the battles/mission they've finished, it seems they're doing quite well for themselves. Factor in the rigorous and brutal training, and their willingness to be placed in literally any combat zone I'd say they're quite good.

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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 8th 2012, 06:30 PM

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I'm not sure how you want people to react to that.

Looking at the battles/mission they've finished, it seems they're doing quite well for themselves. Factor in the rigorous and brutal training, and their willingness to be placed in literally any combat zone I'd say they're quite good.

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People just seem to have a misconception that the USMC (I'm assuming that's what we're on about here...) are super-mega-awesome...
   
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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 8th 2012, 06:51 PM

Perhaps not "super-mega awesome" but "toughest mother****ers around" seems like quite an accurate evaluation.

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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 8th 2012, 07:31 PM

Congratulations and good luck, I hope you and the corps are successful in whatever it is you're doing, wherever it is you're doing it


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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 8th 2012, 07:38 PM

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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 8th 2012, 08:46 PM

Congrats and keep us safe! I support all the people in the arm forces! Keep us safe and out of harm way!



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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 8th 2012, 09:44 PM

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But if you compare them to the RMC then they're just pansies really...
People just seem to have a misconception that the USMC (I'm assuming that's what we're on about here...) are super-mega-awesome...

The Marines are the shock troops of the United States. Overall the idea is that they are the first ones in and the last ones out, they took the most difficult jobs, such as attacking beaches and fortresses. Marines were originally stationed on boats to land on beaches and attack the regular ground forces of the enemy (very difficult).

If you ever saw Black Hawk Down a lot of those guys were Marine Corps.

The big difference is that the USMC and the RMC have very different roles, the Marines are not commandos. The RMC has about 7,000 men, whereas the USMC has about 200,000 (Bigger then the entire UK Army). The RMC are a commando "tier one" group, whereas the USMC are a fully functional "army", we have tier one operatives as well, MARSOC. That's like saying "Ohh man, the army is so much tougher then the air-force".









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The Marines are the shock troops of the United States. Overall the idea is that they are the first ones in and the last ones out, they took the most difficult jobs, such as attacking beaches and fortresses. Marines were originally stationed on boats to land on beaches and attack the regular ground forces of the enemy (very difficult).

If you ever saw Black Hawk Down a lot of those guys were Marine Corps.

The big difference is that the USMC and the RMC have very different roles, the Marines are not commandos. The RMC has about 7,000 men, whereas the USMC has about 200,000 (Bigger then the entire UK Army). The RMC are a commando "tier one" group, whereas the USMC are a fully functional "army", we have tier one operatives as well, MARSOC. That's like saying "Ohh man, the army is so much tougher then the air-force".
My point was that people seem to think that the USMC are elite soldiers, when they're not.
   
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My point was that people seem to think that the USMC are elite soldiers, when they're not.
No, they're still elite soldiers, they're Shock Troops. Compared to the normal Army, and a good deal of special forces, they're very elite, but they're not commandos. They do have commando elements that blow the RMC out of the water, like the Scout Snipers, Recon, MARSOC, etc.


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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 8th 2012, 10:54 PM

Guile: Well said.

I think I speak for the forums here when I say you'll be missed.

And I mean, now that you're leaving who'll stay here and encourage teens who want a baby that it's insanely expensive, and who'll help me debate the positive side of fascism, and point out that the Nazis (although horrible people) did a lot to form modern Germany?

I wish you'd be easy to replace around here, but you're truly one of a kind.

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Guile: Well said.

I think I speak for the forums here when I say you'll be missed.

And I mean, now that you're leaving who'll stay here and encourage teens who want a baby that it's insanely expensive, and who'll help me debate the positive side of fascism, and point out that the Nazis (although horrible people) did a lot to form modern Germany?

I wish you'd be easy to replace around here, but you're truly one of a kind.

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On a good note, my job requires over another year of training so I'll be in California for at least a year and a half, so I won't be too far from all of you guys!


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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 9th 2012, 12:46 AM

Guile: Is this going to be forever, or are you only planning on being in the military for a period of time?

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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 9th 2012, 02:22 AM

Somehow, I know I should've expected that answer.

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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 9th 2012, 03:43 AM

Name drop me. Please name drop me.

Hopefully we'll keep in contact so once you're president/emperor you can dump buckets of money off at my house... which I will then donate to charity... obviously.



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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 9th 2012, 08:48 AM

Congrats! Take care of yourself, and know we're always here for the troubles you face along the way, and we happily will embrace your trolling until you leave.


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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 9th 2012, 09:02 AM

Good luck Guile, you'll definitely be missed by me.


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Welcome to the Profession of Arms.

This is the first I have ever heard of you joining the Corps, so I am going to go ahead and assume you have not actually earned your EGA yet, but perhaps you have signed the dotted line and you are aware of your unit going downrange in the near future. Nor have you mentioned what MOS your contract is for, so I will go ahead and assume you are an 0311. Infantry is the way to go. I am not a Marine, nor am I an American, but I am in a foreign infantry unit, so I will try and be broad with what I write here.

Congratulations. I can assure you that this will be an incredible experience in your life. You will do and see things during your time as a Marine which you will never be able to explain to anybody back in the civilian world. You will have experiences and emotions which those who have not entered the fold will never truly understand, no matter how much Call of Duty they might play at home in comfort. You will certainly be a different person when you leave the Corps, no doubt about it.

As I see it, a large proportion of people cannot handle the thoughts they have when they truly have the time to meditate and see what's inside themselves. When the going gets tough, people look inside themselves. Sometimes, they don't like or get scared of what looks back. You WILL pass that test. You will know, without doubt, that you can stand on your own two feet as a man. You will be able to determine a mission, plan for the mission, execute the mission and improvise, adapt and overcome any obstacles placed in your path during the execution. Do not forget - from here on in you are part of a very small part of men who are looked upon very oddly by the rest of society. You will do things the rest of the sheep will think are pointless, dangerous and a waste of time. You will learn to push yourself beyond your physical and mental limits. The sleep depravation, hunger, pain and exhaustion will become familiar friends. Your weapon will be your constant companion. I shit you not. I still have days where I feel naked without my rifle. Constant physical exertion will become second nature, as well as living in austere conditions. Going into Boot Camp will be a shock to you. Don't sweat it. There will be a time when you are freezing cold, exhausted and you probably want to give up. When that happens, laugh it off. I'm not fucking with you. If the tactical situation permits, laugh it off. Get your head straight. Nothing out there is impossible. Same goes for any future course you decide to take on. Any hardship you face while you are here, any struggle back home that may distract you from your job, any physical weakness that may prevent you from achieving the objective; look past it. Supplement it with a determination to succeed. And when people ask you how you surmounted all the obstacles in your way, you can make all of these difficulties as a part of your incredible story, rather than just excuses.

Going from Civilian to Recruit is a difficult transition. First off, make sure you ass is in shape. Don't tell me you are physically ready, you're not. Nobody is. Aside from the usual running/push-ups/sit-ups/chin-ups stuff, make sure you are flexible and well conditioned. If you smoke, stop now. Boot Camp is not the time or place to be coming off addictions. Make sure you are well stretched and flexible. It will help to prevent injuries, which are reasonably common. I had plenty of small physical fuck-ups during my basic training, but my prior fitness and strength made it a lot easier to get by.

Secondly, never take anything the Drill Instructors say personally. You will probably think they hate you, some for personal reasons. It's bullshit. Trust me, it's fucking bullshit. As soon as I had completed my training, my instructors returned to being genuinely good people. I've had the pleasure of encountering them again in my career since my basic training, and I enjoyed being able to shake hands, talk shit and enjoy conversation with them. The DI's are there to instill discipline, resilience and to teach you what you need to know to be a Marine. Unless the DI is addressing you, shut up. Mouth shut, eyes open, move fast and do what they tell you, how they tell you. Don't be the guy that bitches about the DIs in private with your mates - it's tempting at times, but don't do it. It's a sure sign of character, and it's also a sign of strength and dependability in front of your mates. The Mrs. might not like being called "dependable" but I'll sure as fuck take that as a compliment from my fellow troops. Your mates there are going to be going through rough times, just like you. Help them. Smile and laugh when things are at their worst. Be the rock. Don't be the Pvt. Pyle wannabe. And fuck me, there's ALWAYS one of those sorts on those trainings. I had two types in my section during training, and I still remember some of the shit I had to put up. Don't be "That Guy", be that "Go to guy". You impress your DI's by performing to a high standard. That's it. Be the grey man. Don't be too outspoken, they will cut you down to size in no time, but don't be too meek or you will simply not make it as a warrior.

Don't apologize. Admit you fucked up, but do not let the words "Sorry" get past your lips. Also, you are not "Coming", you are "Moving".

Volunteer. When shit needs doing, do it, and don't make a fuss about it. It sucks, but sometimes you just gotta take one for the team.

Don't forget why you are there. It's called "Service". That means YOU are serving YOUR country. Not the other way around. Never forget that you are a warrior for your country. It is more than just a job. Never allow careerism to take priority in the Marine Corps. Careerism in the Profession of Arms gets men killed. Quite simply, the code of warriors has fallibility. But there is no room for a lack of integrtiy or for those who place their own self before duty or self before comrades or self before country. Careerism is the one great sin. If you achieve your success over the bodies or the careers of your own comrades, you have served your nation poorly and you have violated the code of the warrior class. Never forget that. You are going to be a United States Marine. Fuck the Media. Fuck the culture. You have a standard of integrity to uphold as a professional soldier. Act like it.

When you get the chance, go and blow your hard earned cash on the following books:
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Keep your feet in good condition. You will be wearing boots a lot, and doing a lot of pack marching. Keep them as dry as possible, and apply foot powder as often as usual when you're in the field.

Flick me an email at ares233801@gmail.com (Email account created specifically for this TH Account, but I will contact you via my regular email afterwards and pass on some good contacts, sources and advice for you.)

Again, congratulations of choosing the sign up to the Profession of Arms. Safeguarding the rights and life of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.

Congratulations also on being able to deploy so quickly, I am envious. I doubt I'll be able to get into the Sandbox with what little time we have left now, so do me a favour and kill some Taliban for me.


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It's not the place of a high school student to be laying judgement on professional soldiers.

British Commandos and USMC are apples and oranges. They have very different missions, TACSOPs, cultures and skillsets. I wouldn't ever try and debate "which one is better".

Also, there were no Marines in Black Hawk Down. 15th MEU was there as part of OP Restore Hope, but they left early that year once their job was done. The only units involved in the Battle of Mogadishu were 160th SOAR, 3rd Bat 75th Rangers, CAG and a couple of SEALS and some Air Force dudes who were doing CSAR work. The Pakistanis, Malaysians and the 10th Mtn came in near the end for the evac. Hope that clears some things up for you all.


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It's not the place of a high school student to be laying judgement on professional soldiers.

British Commandos and USMC are apples and oranges. They have very different missions, TACSOPs, cultures and skillsets. I wouldn't ever try and debate "which one is better".

Also, there were no Marines in Black Hawk Down. 15th MEU was there as part of OP Restore Hope, but they left early that year once their job was done. The only units involved in the Battle of Mogadishu were 160th SOAR, 3rd Bat 75th Rangers, CAG and a couple of SEALS and some Air Force dudes who were doing CSAR work. The Pakistanis, Malaysians and the 10th Mtn came in near the end for the evac. Hope that clears some things up for you all.


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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 10th 2012, 03:23 AM

Congratulations Guile. Be safe, and we're looking forward to your stories. Remember...the difference between a man and woman's ass isn't really that different...so if you are in the mood, find a buddy and close your eyes.
   
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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 10th 2012, 03:30 AM

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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 10th 2012, 08:25 AM

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Congratulations Guile. Be safe, and we're looking forward to your stories. Remember...the difference between a man and woman's ass isn't really that different...so if you are in the mood, find a buddy and close your eyes.
Apparently they do that a lot in the Navy...
   
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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 13th 2012, 12:57 AM

That's awesome!! My grandpa and step-grandpa both served in the navy and marines. I'm enrolled in JROTC at my school and I think its just a fabulus program. As much as I'm proud of you, this kind of sad because we are losing a teenhelper for a while. Anyway, have fun and be safe. You'll be in prayers. Stay Strong!
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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 13th 2012, 01:41 AM

Enough is enough about who is better...congratulations on your date Guile and I wish you luck when you head out so stay safe and thanks for serving our country!


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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 15th 2012, 07:45 PM

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One day I'll be elected President, and on that day, during my adress I shall say, "Guile." and everyone will know what they have done.
Not on my watch you won't.

But seriously, congratulations on your deployment and hope it's the start of a successful career for you. (Preferably as far from the nuclear warhead control panel as possible! )


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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 16th 2012, 01:21 PM

Congratulations on your deployment Guile, I hope it all goes well for you. Take care of yourself and stay safe.
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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 16th 2012, 02:46 PM

Congrats and good luck!





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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 22nd 2012, 10:31 AM

Congratulations, Guile. Good luck with everything in the future.

Also, guys, please try to stay on topic. There have been a few rather unnecessary posts on this thread, and if that continues, posts might have to be deleted, or the thread closed. Be nice to each other!


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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 24th 2012, 02:37 PM

I see a lot of trolling enemy combatants in your future, Guile.
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Re: One Year to Freedom - July 25th 2012, 04:46 AM

Congrats Guile, hope it all goes well. Try to get back on the forums or chat when you can, we have trolls but you can blow them outta the water, while providing a good debate.


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