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Unhappy Pre Algebra - April 19th 2009, 05:47 PM

This year is the first year that math was split up by levels. There is the higher: Pre Algebra then the average: Math 7. When I found out I got into Pre Algebra I was so happy because I always felt that my math classes needed to pick up the pace. However, now that I'm in here, it's a little scary, even late in the school year. There are so many things that everyone else knows and I don't. I'm beginning to wonder if I missed a whole year of studies. I always say the wrong things and have the wrong answers and don't know what to do when we get homework. It is getting so frustrating being the dumbest one in the class, sitting there all clueless. I have gone for extra help on the chapters that I could never understand and it has helped a little bit, but I am still not nearly as comprehendant (don't know if that's a word) as everyone else. Just when I think I'm beginning to understand, it comes crashing down and I've made a minor careless mistake that gives me the wrong answer farthest away from the right one. Any advice?


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Re: Pre Algebra - April 20th 2009, 12:34 AM

Hey Flannery,

You're doing the right thing by talking to your teacher and getting extra help. That is definitely the first step. Get the teacher's help and then try the homework. Then go over it with the teacher and if you made mistakes, then do the questions over. Do them over and over and over until you understand the concepts. It sounds repetitive and annoying, but it works, trust me! (I'm not good at math either, but just push through those questions and it will help.)
You might want to look into getting a math tutor out of school too. Having someone else explain the concepts to you and go through your homework might help.

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Re: Pre Algebra - April 20th 2009, 12:44 AM

I took Algebra 1A, barely passed. Then took Algebra 1B, failed. Took it again, passed. Went to Geometry, failed. I think I took it again, passed, then went on the Algebra 2, left for homeschool. And graduated early.

I've usually been really good in school, just math is a killer for me.

Try and stay after school, or talk to your teacher. They might have to replace you. I don't see why they couldn't just transfer you and your current grade?


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Re: Pre Algebra - April 20th 2009, 01:15 AM

Algebra and mathematics (until around 2nd year university) aren't too hard. What exactly is it that you have a problem with? Could you provide some basic questions that you may have from a test or textbook then how you worked it out (assuming you worked it out wrong) and people here could explain it to you?

Could you ask the teacher to explain why you do certain methods for a question as opposed to just showing you? Such as, "why do you use this method of factoring as opposed to another one?".
   
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Re: Pre Algebra - April 20th 2009, 09:52 PM

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Algebra and mathematics (until around 2nd year university) aren't too hard. What exactly is it that you have a problem with? Could you provide some basic questions that you may have from a test or textbook then how you worked it out (assuming you worked it out wrong) and people here could explain it to you?

Could you ask the teacher to explain why you do certain methods for a question as opposed to just showing you? Such as, "why do you use this method of factoring as opposed to another one?".
Actually, I'm doing ok right now, but I will get like the most basic things wrong. Almost like I over look the obvious. However, in the beginning of the year, I really was horrible, lol. Everyone else in my class seems to be getting it, except me It's getting better now, but I still have my moments that make me want to die more often than anyone else.


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Re: Pre Algebra - April 21st 2009, 03:26 AM

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Actually, I'm doing ok right now, but I will get like the most basic things wrong. Almost like I over look the obvious. However, in the beginning of the year, I really was horrible, lol. Everyone else in my class seems to be getting it, except me It's getting better now, but I still have my moments that make me want to die more often than anyone else.
If you overlook the basic concepts and get them wrong, then you're not doing very well in the course. So, what are the basic concepts that you have trouble with. If you don't tell people on here what exactly it is you're struggling with, then unless we go to your class (which I think nobody will do), you won't get much help here.
   
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Re: Pre Algebra - April 22nd 2009, 03:55 AM

Ok, well something I just don't understand is equations with positive and negative numbers, I find those extremely confusing. like..

-9(12a-7)-10(14a-11)

stuff kinda like this...I don't remmeber entirely thought, it was a couple of chapters ago, but I got extra help for this. Again, I would just make veryyyy careless mistakes...which no one can really help me with, but are just SO annoying cause I beat myself up about it, since it's so careless.


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Re: Pre Algebra - April 22nd 2009, 04:47 AM

When it comes to Pre Algebra usually it's the careless mistakes that kick you in the ass even for thoes who have a good understanding of the material. As you get into more upper level math it seems like you don't make as many careless mistakes.


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Re: Pre Algebra - April 24th 2009, 12:32 AM

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When it comes to Pre Algebra usually it's the careless mistakes that kick you in the ass even for thoes who have a good understanding of the material. As you get into more upper level math it seems like you don't make as many careless mistakes.
Thank god!!! I don't think I can handle anymore of the trecherous humiliation!!! Haha jk...kinda.


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Re: Pre Algebra - April 24th 2009, 01:49 AM

I used to be exactly in the same boat as you're in. I even retook pre alg in summer school just to get a better understanding of it (I passed but I didn't understand)

I'm in my first year of college now and do pretty well in math. I think the biggest thing of all is to not psych yourself out. It's all logic, and it's just a puzzle that needs to be unsolved.

Not to mention - things stack on top of each other. Math has a foundation and then things you learn can be applied to it, so you're really learning the same thing over and over again - just different ways to do it.

For positive and negative numbers, a good way for you to not get caught up in careless mistake is to fix it before hand.

For example. If you have -2(-5x + 3) = 12

First you'd want to distribute your -2 into your -5x and +3 (-2*-5 and -2*3)

Rules to remember:
positive times positive = positive
negative times negative = positive
negative times positive = negative

I'll explain it in 2 ways just to see which way would be easier for you to understand.

If you look at -2(-5x + 3) = 12
you can simply look at the number that's going to be distributed and ask yourself if the sign will make the numbers inside the parenthesis change. If the number that is being distributed is a negative, the numbers inside the parenthesis will change. If it's a positive, it won't.

So you change your problem from
-2(-5x + 3) = 12 to 2(5x - 3) = 12
the -2 * -5 would make a positive 5, the -2 * 3 would make a negative 3

You can just scribble out the signs then and make your own (as long as it follows the rules to remember)

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If that just made you go 'wut?' then that probably isn't a good method (that or I didn't explain it well enough)

As long as you remember the Rules to Remember you have it down.
Just take your time, breathe, relax, and focus - and you'll do fine.

You might just have to take it step by step

-2 * -5x = 10x (Negative times Negative = positive)
-2 * 3 = -6 (Negative times Positive = negative)

So you have 10x - 6 = 12

If you want to continue this problem you have to get X by itself in order to figure out what it is.

Since you have a -6 on the left side, and you want to get it on the right side - you'll want to add 6 to both sides. (Do the opposite of the signs)

10x - 6 + 6 = 12 + 6 -----> 10x = 18

Since 10 is multiplied by x, and you want X by itself, you'll divide 10 on both sides

10x/10 = 18/10 ------> x = 18/10

Now you can reduce it. 18 and 10 are both multiples of 2
18 can reduce to 9 (because 9*2 = 18) and 10 can reduce to 5 (because 5*2 = 10)

So your answer would be x = 9/5

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That's probably waay more information then you wanted to receive, but just remember the rules to remember and take your time and you should be fine.
   
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Re: Pre Algebra - April 25th 2009, 05:40 AM

Wow. Well I can say one thing...it makes much more sense put out step by step like that lol.


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Re: Pre Algebra - April 25th 2009, 05:46 AM

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Wow. Well I can say one thing...it makes much more sense put out step by step like that lol.
Math is nothing but steps. If you look at math as a step by step process you'll start to see many patterns and familiarties to it. So don't worry!

Also, if there's one thing I can say about math it's practice practice practice!

With anything new it'll take practice to get used to and pretty soon this stage in learning algebra will come to you like natural.
   
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Re: Pre Algebra - May 8th 2009, 05:08 PM

I'm taking pre algebra as well and I have almost quit 3 times. You have to study constantly. A 20 minute review each morning and 20 minutes before bedtime. If you miss any days from class it will put you farther behind.

Algebra is like learning a new languge you have to constatntly study, memorize, and practice. Talk to your teachers and get some tutoring.
   
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Re: Pre Algebra - May 12th 2009, 02:27 PM

quick hint:
Equations : similars always multiply to positive, differents to negative / same positive*positive=positive......etc wrote ahead/ ,
2.try to learn the operations order (if u do not already know it) 1.brackets........last. sum, /I guess there isa sentence that includes them /i will look 4 it 4 u/
3.try to organize ur thoughts b4 writing and write slowly comprehending what ur writing


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