Screamo

[Cabron]

I'm gonna get raged at by people saying that certain bands aren't 'screamo' but whatever. I'm talking about Bring Me The Horizon, Black Veil Brides...that kind of stuff. What are your guys' opinions on it?

Personally, I can't stand it. Any of it. Honestly don't know how people can listen to it while taking themselves seriously. And don't get me started on the bands themselves.

[Nicole!]

I like it Except I love it when screamo songs also have some singing. If its just fast paced screaming with no rhythm to it, I will not listen to it.

[~Mr. Self Destruct~]

"Screamo" is a subgenre of emo music.
Metal and hardcore genres also use screaming, and the bands you mentioned aren't "screamo", they're of hardcore divisions (metalcore and deathcore, specifically).
One of my pet peeves is when people don't understand the differences in this area.
I listen to A LOT of metal and hardcore (more of the former). I adore the diversity the genres as a whole have, with a seemingly infinite number of sungenres. From trash metal to blackened death metal, from hardcore to grindcore; there is so much to explore and enjoy.
I myself am more of a technical, progressive and djent guy theses days.

[The Morrigan]

I don't mind if songs contain maybe a few lines where they're screaming but if it's constant then I dislike it.

Most of the time you can't even hear the words they're singing and maybe this is just me but I actually like to understand what lyrics they're singing.

[MegaMadness]

Can't say I'm too keen on those type of bands.

[Beetbox]

Bring me the horizon and Black veil brides I dislike a lot. They are bands people presume I will like. I dislike screamo also. However I love metal but it has to be proper metal and will someone tell me how numetal got classed as metal because to be honest it is an embarrassment.

[Snufkin]

Regardless of whatever category BvB and BMTH fall under, they both irritate the hell out of me. BMTH improved with their latest album, they took some risks, so I can appreciate that. But I saw them live and they seemed like a bunch of whiny children, Oli in particular. BvB...they played a gig here that only under 18's could attend. That says it all really.

I do like shouting and screaming in music when done properly. Bands like Dillinger Escape Plan, Converge, Rolo Tomassi, Mastodon, they're all heavy as hell and they shout a lot but they all make intense, powerful, and most importantly fantastic music. It's not shouting just to whine because someone took the guitarist from Bring me the Hairspray's...well, hairspray. BMTH, BVB and all the similar bands all attract a similar crowd, and they know it, and they play to it.

[Illuminate]

Screamo... Not my thing at all. I mean I can listen to stuff like ADTR and Red Jumpsuit, but that's about it... I don't know whether you'd class 30stm as screamo, but I listen to them quite a lot.
Anyway, I like songs where you can hear what they're saying and it's not just all jumbled into one. :3
I'd say I'm more punk rock thank anything

[Intoxicated Brutality]

I like music some people may consider similar to BMTH (depending on how well you understand the differences between bands/genres/subgenres), but in my honest opinion BMTH is horrid. I attempted listening to them a few times as one of my friends kept goin on and on about how great they were...and I couldn't understand a single word they said. Not to mention the fact the drumming pretty much drowned everything else out. All in all I wasn't impressed. I listen to plenty of bands that are hard to understand sometimes but there's a huge difference in sometimes and all the time.
BvB I'm personally unfamiliar with, so no opinion there.

[JoshS]

Originally Posted by Intoxicated Brutality

I like music some people may consider similar to BMTH (depending on how well you understand the differences between bands/genres/subgenres), but in my honest opinion BMTH is horrid. I attempted listening to them a few times as one of my friends kept goin on and on about how great they were...and I couldn't understand a single word they said. Not to mention the fact the drumming pretty much drowned everything else out. All in all I wasn't impressed. I listen to plenty of bands that are hard to understand sometimes but there's a huge difference in sometimes and all the time.
BvB I'm personally unfamiliar with, so no opinion there.

Exactly, i hate "SCREAMO" but love Metal / Metalcore / Deathcore / Death metal the list goes on. I can not stand BMTH the #1 reason they are famous is Oli sykes looks same thing goes for BVB oli not andy can scream like they try too i mean they just plain out suck. The closest thing to these guys i like is Suicide silence which is much heavier. I am more into trivium, lamb of god, asking alexandria, Killswitch Engage, ADTR, All shall perish, Metallica, As i lay dying, do i need to keep going?

[Intoxicated Brutality]

Originally Posted by JoshS

Exactly, i hate "SCREAMO" but love Metal / Metalcore / Deathcore / Death metal the list goes on. I can not stand BMTH the #1 reason they are famous is Oli sykes looks same thing goes for BVB oli not andy can scream like they try too i mean they just plain out suck. The closest thing to these guys i like is Suicide silence which is much heavier. I am more into trivium, lamb of god, asking alexandria, Killswitch Engage, ADTR, All shall perish, Metallica, As i lay dying, do i need to keep going?

LOL. No I think you made your point :P

[OMFG!You'reActuallySmart!]

I'm not big on narrowing bands down to specific sub-genres as I feel it's unnecessary at times but that's another issue. I don't care if a band is labeled as "screamo" or some other sub-genre of metal or rock, if I cannot clearly understand the lyrics to a song, I dislike that song. If the song has good music except for senseless screaming, the lyrics ruin the song for me. If the majority or even all of the songs of a band have such senseless screaming, I dislike the band.

I say senseless screaming because I'm fine if there is shouting or screaming but I want to know what is being said. If I have to look the lyrics up online because I cant figure what is being said, I might as well listen to a Viking in a trash compacter.

[xxxAJxxx]

If you think music is any different because it contains screaming, it would usually stem from a lack of musical knowledge. My question to you is, how can you stand Eminem? Or Shakira? Or Lady Gag-me? I would much rather listen to meaningful, well-thought out music, with technical guitars and drums than hearing about Eminem hating gay people or Lady Gaga talking about a disco stick. Seriously, what the heck is a disco stick? And contrary to your belief, it takes a lot more talent to scream (highs, lows, growls, inhales, exhales) than it does to sing. And sing bad, in the case of the three terrible artists I've mentioned above.

[Snufkin]

Gaga is more talented than bands like Bring me the Horizon. That isn't technical music, it's just fast, any idiot can play fast. There are heavy bands that are technical who I both respect and love, like the ones I've mentioned, and Periphery and Protest the Hero. There are heavy bands who create atmospheres that pop musicians could never dream of making, like Cult of Luna. There are heavy bands who are just downright brutal who suit growling because to sing along with it would just lessen the impact, like Kylesa.

But when you scream for the sake of screaming and appealing to a disillusioned bunch of teenagers? It's just irritating. There is no skill or talent. I have no respect for bands like BVB, or Escape the Fate, or Asking Alexandria, and I could go on. Lady Gaga didn't sell millions because she was lucky.

[Cabron]

Originally Posted by xxxAJxxx

If you think music is any different because it contains screaming, it would usually stem from a lack of musical knowledge. My question to you is, how can you stand Eminem? Or Shakira? Or Lady Gag-me? I would much rather listen to meaningful, well-thought out music, with technical guitars and drums than hearing about Eminem hating gay people or Lady Gaga talking about a disco stick. Seriously, what the heck is a disco stick? And contrary to your belief, it takes a lot more talent to scream (highs, lows, growls, inhales, exhales) than it does to sing. And sing bad, in the case of the three terrible artists I've mentioned above.

Look up multisyllabic rhyming and Eminem and try to tell me his songs aren't well-thought-out, if not meaningful. He's a very talented artist in his own right and I think people fail to grasp why his songs flow so well. E.g. "There's vomit on his sweater already, mom's spaghetti, he's nervous but on the surface he looks calm and ready...) There's a video somewhere on the web that shows the rhyme composition of Lose Yourself in full, it's really quite something.

As for Lady Gaga, she is a talented singer. (See the acoustic version of Poker Face).

I respect Shakira because she's managed to combine her talent for bellydancing (which is difficult enough by itself) and singing and create a career out of it. Sure, a lot of musical artists can dance but they usually don't devote themselves to one particular style and try to take it beyond what their choreographers teach them. Shakira did do that, however, and deserves every bit of fame she has.

Though screaming may take a lot of effort, the end product is just noise. A bit of well-placed screaming or shouting in a song can add to the overall effect (see Torture Me by the Red Hot Chili Peppers). But when a song is entirely screaming it just sounds dreadful. That's just my personal opinion and I'm not trying to present it as fact.

[xxxAJxxx]

"Gaga is more talented than bands like Bring me the Horizon."
"Eminem and try to tell me his songs aren't well thought out... 'There's vomit on the sweater already, mom's spaghetti'".

All I needed to read. Seriously guys, this isn't the comedy forum.

[xxxAJxxx]

Rah Rah oooo la la watch out bad romance

[Snufkin]

There's a comedy forum?

[Cabron]

Originally Posted by xxxAJxxx

"Gaga is more talented than bands like Bring me the Horizon."
"Eminem and try to tell me his songs aren't well thought out... 'There's vomit on the sweater already, mom's spaghetti'".

All I needed to read. Seriously guys, this isn't the comedy forum.

Okay, so first off. What you want to do, particularly when you're debating with someone on a forum, is quote their posts properly. When you completely mutilate what the opposing party says in order to better service your point, it makes you look like a complete idiot. Have your teachers not taught you about rhyme schemes yet? If not, let me give you a little lesson. The small portion of lyrics I posted (which was far from what you seem to think I said) was what I meant by Eminem's music 'flowing'. Also, I'm not saying that one artist is better than another. Like Scott said, there are certain moods and whatnot that some artists create that others can't. To expect one artist to be able to do everything musically is just stupid, for lack of a better word. So for you to say that I basically said that Gaga is better than Bring Me The Horizon is, again, stupid and completely invalidates whatever small point you're trying to make. (I'm still trying to discern what that is, however). Oh, and uh, we don't have a comedy forum. If you want to convince me of your argument, you need to actually back it up with some points as opposed to just expecting me to bow down to you because you don't like mainstream music.

[TheWhiteTornado]

I love metal in general I love the intensity, but a band will immediately turn me off if the lyrics are utterly stupid or grotesque (Cannibal Corpse). I like the band more if I can tell they're actually saying words (old school Lamb of God is about as far as I'll go), but when it's utterly incomprehensible (As I Lay Dying, for example), it bothers me as there's usually little-to-no variation in the screaming. I totally understand why people don't like it (it's not sing-songy and at times even I need a breather-however rarely ) but I personally love it because, when done well, you can really tell that there's passion behind the singing (Mudvayne, Machine Head, Pantera, Korn). I can't really stand it though when it's done as more of just an effect on the voice and lacks or fakes emotion (BFMV, AILD, newer Slipknot, etc).

Oh, and good metal really is technical. I hate the stereotype that all metal just consists of fast playing and inaudible vocals. Yeah, it's fast, but that's kinda the cornerstone of the genre- intensity and the pace. I could say pop takes no talent because it's just slower but that's not really a point, just a characteristic. Any decent prog metal band (Opeth, Mastodon) uses varying time signatures and a variety of instruments at different speeds. Mudvayne for example (not a prog band, but whatever) has a drummer that uses the time signatures to represent something about the song, tell me that doesn't take skill. And not all metal is the "play fast and loud" cliche (Nine Inch Nails, Metallica). Totally am not trying to attack Scott, I kinda just read the first sentence, wrote this rant, and then finished reading it and realized that I need to read things all the way through and that he's a respectable music-lover Anyways I've found that enough people think that to feel I should just leave this here, haha.

Side note: I'm not trying to bash any bands, this is just my personal opinion.

[Beetbox]

We all have our opinions on music and some have stronger opinions than others. I think we should all remember however to be respectful of each others opinions.

[xxxAJxxx]

Originally Posted by Cabron

Okay, so first off. What you want to do, particularly when you're debating with someone on a forum, is quote their posts properly. When you completely mutilate what the opposing party says in order to better service your point, it makes you look like a complete idiot. Have your teachers not taught you about rhyme schemes yet? If not, let me give you a little lesson. The small portion of lyrics I posted (which was far from what you seem to think I said) was what I meant by Eminem's music 'flowing'. Also, I'm not saying that one artist is better than another. Like Scott said, there are certain moods and whatnot that some artists create that others can't. To expect one artist to be able to do everything musically is just stupid, for lack of a better word. So for you to say that I basically said that Gaga is better than Bring Me The Horizon is, again, stupid and completely invalidates whatever small point you're trying to make. (I'm still trying to discern what that is, however). Oh, and uh, we don't have a comedy forum. If you want to convince me of your argument, you need to actually back it up with some points as opposed to just expecting me to bow down to you because you don't like mainstream music.

You cannot fault me for quoting your post. If you are so embarrassed of what you said (probably should be), why post it? Have you not learned that how I quoted your wall of text was proper? All I needed to hear was that to invalidate your pathetic argument. I think someone is angry And yes, there are certain bands that do, absolutely capture and channel all moods. Coincidentally, these bands all scream. Need I point your attention to La Dispute? Oh wait, you only listen to things that are on mainstream media or are getting played by the DJ at a bar. My obviously discernible argument was in my original post. People who do not understand music with screaming do not understand music. Do I understand classical music? Yes. Is it my preference? No. But I understand it, and the array of emotions it catches. And they don't have a comedy forum, I already realized that. I figured you'd make a great mod, even though you take what you say seriously.

[The Morrigan]

I honestly think people take genres WAY too seriously. I like most music and I really don't care about labels on it. I don't care if it's mainstream. I don't care if it's obscure and unheard of. I don't care if it's embarrassing. I like what I like.

Really though? Just because someone screams that means they have emotion? Yes I realise that to do that with your vocal cords takes a lot of skill but to say that only bands who scream have emotion in their songs is just plain ridiculous.

[xxxAJxxx]

Originally Posted by Snufkin

Gaga is more talented than bands like Bring me the Horizon. That isn't technical music, it's just fast, any idiot can play fast. There are heavy bands that are technical who I both respect and love, like the ones I've mentioned, and Periphery and Protest the Hero. There are heavy bands who create atmospheres that pop musicians could never dream of making, like Cult of Luna. There are heavy bands who are just downright brutal who suit growling because to sing along with it would just lessen the impact, like Kylesa.

But when you scream for the sake of screaming and appealing to a disillusioned bunch of teenagers? It's just irritating. There is no skill or talent. I have no respect for bands like BVB, or Escape the Fate, or Asking Alexandria, and I could go on. Lady Gaga didn't sell millions because she was lucky.

Periphery and PTH are amazing no arguments with that. Screaming for the sake of appealing disillusioned teens? Please provide proof rather than just stating a mislead opinion. I would think you haven't even listened to BMTH's first album. Exciting, not the most. Technical, yes. Now please tell me you find Lady Gaga technical.

Not that that makes a band better. But simple perfection at a tried and true method of songwriting does not make a band "a sell out to the teens". Things don't have to be different to be good. Let's say you enjoy this one brand's vanilla ice cream. Then you have another brand's, and it tastes very similar. Does that make it bad? No. It still has most of the qualities of Ice Cream A, but with its own little twist.

[Beetbox]

Originally Posted by xxxAJxxx

Periphery and PTH are amazing no arguments with that. Screaming for the sake of appealing disillusioned teens? Please provide proof rather than just stating a mislead opinion. I would think you haven't even listened to BMTH's first album. Exciting, not the most. Technical, yes. Now please tell me you find Lady Gaga technical.

Not that that makes a band better. But simple perfection at a tried and true method of songwriting does not make a band "a sell out to the teens". Things don't have to be different to be good. Let's say you enjoy this one brand's vanilla ice cream. Then you have another brand's, and it tastes very similar. Does that make it bad? No. It still has most of the qualities of Ice Cream A, but with its own little twist.

First of all, your opinion of music is your own opinion and I respect that you have that opinion. However your arguments I am afraid do not stand. If you truly feel that they have some truly meaningful lyrics then I have to disagree strongly with you.

True emotion and passion within music is important. The vocals, the way they portray that is also very important. A lot of bands focus on one or the other. There is no true variation within these bands and that is the problem. You can have as you said two types of vanilla but at the end of the day I wouldn't waste my money and time with two slightly different flavors. Sadly however most modern bands are lacking that variation.

[xxxAJxxx]

Originally Posted by Sapphire_Wings

First of all, your opinion of music is your own opinion and I respect that you have that opinion. However your arguments I am afraid do not stand. If you truly feel that they have some truly meaningful lyrics then I have to disagree strongly with you.

True emotion and passion within music is important. The vocals, the way they portray that is also very important. A lot of bands focus on one or the other. There is no true variation within these bands and that is the problem. You can have as you said two types of vanilla but at the end of the day I wouldn't waste my money and time with two slightly different flavors. Sadly however most modern bands are lacking that variation.

Do you even know what you're talking about, to call their lyrics not truly meaningful? And to point the finger at modernism, when every classic rock band sounds the same? Those were passionate? And pleaaaaaaaase tell me Gaga has any true meaning to her songs. It will make my day.

Everyone portrays something in their vocals, Gaga would be "yaaaaaaaay I'm getting so much $$$$$$$$$$$ from this singleee!" Eminem would be "I killed my ex wife in fantasy land, but yet everyone else is wrong". But yet, Bring Me the Horizon talk about inner demons and problems one has to face in life, and Senses Fail talk about a deserting father who was never there. Most modern solo artists are lacking variation, for lack of a better term, "bitches and ho's" are their subject matter. Lady Gaga is different, she'd prefer to sing random glitchy auto-tuned interludes BEFORE she talks about such meaningful rough group sex.

[xxxAJxxx]

You can't read myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy POKER FACE

[Beetbox]

Originally Posted by xxxAJxxx

Do you even know what you're talking about, to call their lyrics not truly meaningful? And to point the finger at modernism, when every classic rock band sounds the same? Those were passionate? And pleaaaaaaaase tell me Gaga has any true meaning to her songs. It will make my day.

Actually I don't consider Gaga any good at all. I cannot stand listening to her music. Actually i said most modern bands. Also I see that you didn't post any examples.

Originally Posted by xxxAJxxx

Everyone portrays something in their vocals, Gaga would be "yaaaaaaaay I'm getting so much $$$$$$$$$$$ from this singleee!" Eminem would be "I killed my ex wife in fantasy land, but yet everyone else is wrong".

Portrayal does not always equal good.

Originally Posted by xxxAJxxx

But yet, Bring Me the Horizon talk about inner demons and problems one has to face in life, and Senses Fail talk about a deserting father who was never there.

I listen to a lot of bands who sing like this. They do it with passion and intense thought goes into their lyrics. It is about more than just stringing words together. Lyrics are so special you can write them in anyway you wish and they just stick to the basics.

Originally Posted by xxxAJxxx

Most modern solo artists are lacking variation, for lack of a better term, "bitches and ho's" are their subject matter. Lady Gaga is different, she'd prefer to sing random glitchy auto-tuned interludes BEFORE she talks about such meaningful rough group sex.

While I dislike this music I feel that everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[Snufkin]

I don't disagree that heavy music CAN be technical. I just think a lot of it isn't. To consistently hit an open E string (or tuned lower) doesn't take skill, no matter how fast you play it. Fight Fire With Fire by Metallica is effectively that for a good half of the song. However, both And Justice For All and Death Magnetic have some experimentation on them which I love. And even if Ride the Lightning is a bit...well, simple in places, it's still my favourite 'Tallica album.

Nine Inch Nails is a different ball game really. There isn't much metal going on there in terms of heaviness, though there's a lot in terms of intensity. While they do get a bit repetitive, I absolutely love them.

Mudvayne, Machine Head, Pantera, Korn. I almost feel like they don't count in what this debate is about. I enjoy some nu-metal because that scene really exploded while I was growing up, so I guess the likes of Korn, Mudvayne, Limp Bizkit and Spineshank are awesome for nostalgia. They're all good "party" rock anthems (not like LMFAO...) and they don't claim to be anything that they're not. They're angry, pissed off at the world, and that's what nu-metal was. Linkin Park probably defined that best with One Step Closer. Nu-metal was aimed at those angry teenagers, it was made by angry teenagers, and provided a voice to so many alienated kids. At the same time, it broke through to the mainstream, and if you didn't "like" it, chances are you have a nu-metal guilty pleasure.

Pantera and Machine Head are just pure metal. Again, I can't argue. Pantera paved the way for so many bands. Dimebag had such an awesome guitar tone, and Walk has to have one of the simplest yet greatest riffs ever. Machine Head keep getting better with age. Good on them.

It's not these kinds of angry bands that annoy me. It's those who claim to be unique, or the future, or whatever. It's those with the hairsprayed style, the emo fringe, the completely unnecessary breakdowns, the ones who cater to a style. With nu-metal, bands made music and the fans followed them. Now, the fans are there and bands are trying to appeal to that. Don't tell me Black Veil Brides isn't exactly calculated to win over as many people as possible, with their "attractive" lead singer. There's a reason that when they last played here, the gig was UNDER 18's only. These bands are exclusively for kids. If they act as a gateway, fine. But in my experience, there are better gateway bands out there.

Escape the Fate think they're the next Motley Crue. So do Asking Alexandria. I'm not a fan of Motley Crue, but they were pure rock n fucking roll. Those guys were the definition of excess, along with Guns N Roses. What they did was real, like it or not. What these new guys do is scream, have a breakdown, then a totally predictable chorus, and attract lots of girls who think they're hardcore because they like music that's heavier (yet not as good as) Kelly Clarkson.

Edit: Apparently I had too much to drink tonight and didn't notice the second page. Expect this post to expand. Also, I totally respect Jack for coming in here and saying his piece properly and defending it with educated information. Props. This post was in reply to him. The rest that shall follow will address the rest of the posts...

Periphery and PTH are amazing no arguments with that. Screaming for the sake of appealing disillusioned teens? Please provide proof rather than just stating a mislead opinion. I would think you haven't even listened to BMTH's first album. Exciting, not the most. Technical, yes. Now please tell me you find Lady Gaga technical.

Technical doesn't necessarily mean good, in this case, but even so, Count Your Blessings is no more technical than any other deathcore album released around about that time. Were I to pick a favourite, I'd probably choose As Blood Runs Black's Allegiance album for In Dying Days and My Fears Have Become Phobias alone. I wouldn't say any lyrics by either of those bands are in any way useful to my life, relevant, or worth any more than posting on Twitter for countless people to RT thinking they're cool.

Again with technical, Gaga might not have discordant noises or random time signatures, but every single song she has has numerous hooks, which are what pop artists thrive on. Judas isn't being played the world over right now because it's technical - it's because it's catchy as the plague. Whether it's the chorus or the completely absurd intro of "Ju-DAH-Ju-DAH-AHAH", it sticks in hundreds of thousands of peoples' heads, and that takes countless amounts of skill.

[Tynan]

Well honestly No one can say blank band is more technical then blank band. Unless you are there making the music or have tried to.

Lady gaga for example knows how to make good pop hooks and decent melodys and beats to keep the music bumping while she sings.

And bands like BvB sure they are more glam and fashion over skill, Ill admit there solos are not that bad for a bunch of whiny kids there is a somewhat decent solo sometimes in there.

But unless youve tried making said style of music your bashing you dont have much room to speak

[volleyballchick751]

my fav band is hollywood undead but there more metal than screamo i think

[Cabron]

Originally Posted by xxxAJxxx

You cannot fault me for quoting your post. If you are so embarrassed of what you said (probably should be), why post it? Have you not learned that how I quoted your wall of text was proper? All I needed to hear was that to invalidate your pathetic argument. I think someone is angry And yes, there are certain bands that do, absolutely capture and channel all moods. Coincidentally, these bands all scream. Need I point your attention to La Dispute? Oh wait, you only listen to things that are on mainstream media or are getting played by the DJ at a bar. My obviously discernible argument was in my original post. People who do not understand music with screaming do not understand music. Do I understand classical music? Yes. Is it my preference? No. But I understand it, and the array of emotions it catches. And they don't have a comedy forum, I already realized that. I figured you'd make a great mod, even though you take what you say seriously.

I'm not 'embarrassed of' what I said. I merely asked you to properly quote what I said, which shouldn't be that hard to do. And most people, when quoting something, don't change the words completely around. I find it cute how you seem to think I only listen to things that are 'on mainstream media'. Nowhere did I say that, nor do you have any evidence to back up that particular point. I'm not even old enough to get into bars, which makes your second little idea irrelevant as well. Now, for you to completely disregard every genre of music that isn't screaming as not being able to channel multiple moods is just ignorant. That's the only way to really describe it, unfortunately. Ooh, I also thought I'd drop some knowledge on ya and let you know that making assumptions and just generally being rude to someone isn't the best way to make your point. It may work at school, but it certainly doesn't work in the real world. Anyways, that's a bit off topic. According to you, anyone who doesn't appreciate screamo music is incapable of appreciating anything else, including classical music. I wasn't aware it had become that important of a genre, and I also wasn't aware that certain types of music take precedence over others. Thank you for opening my eyes to that. My particular taste in music stretches far and wide, from the mainstream to the obscure. I'll listen to just about anything. Music doesn't have just one sole purpose. The quicker you realize that, the quicker people will take your opinions seriously. I would suggest examining Jack's post closely--he makes a respectable argument with many points to back up his opinions.

[xxxAJxxx]

You're 15? Aren't you in school? Condescension only works in high school, hun. I can find not one underground band in your library, don't try to say "OMG I CAN HAS DIVERSITY". Not to mention, lack of being able to understand music with screaming is pretty pathetic. I don't even feel the need to sink to your level and write a wall of text. I will say this, if you took from my arguments that I thought "music has one sole purpose", please consider posting in this part of TH: http://www.teenhelp.org/forums/f14-mental-health/

[Snufkin]

Well this DID start out fun.

[xxxAJxxx]

I know five year olds who can write pop hooks. Great arguements guys.

[Snufkin]

Originally Posted by xxxAJxxx

I know five year olds who can write pop hooks. Great arguements guys.

Likewise.

What's your point?

[xxxAJxxx]

That the pop "artists" mentioned as "good" have the talent of five year olds. End quote.

[Snufkin]

I know five year olds who can growl and shout. I still don't get what your point is. I don't know five year olds who can sell out arenas the world over.

Find a middle ground. Radiohead? They don't growl but they're not pop. What's bad about them? Are they untalented because they don't growl? Do they suck because occasionally they throw a nice little hook in there that a five year old could write?

[TheWhiteTornado]

Oh no, I don't mean to say that screaming is the only kind of singing with emotion, just that I like it because it's evident. I mean there are plenty of other clean singers who do the same and I'd probably listen to them as well, this is just my personal reason for liking it. And I don't mean the strain on the voice, just that you can tell the person's actually angry and emotionally invested in what he's singing, but that can be shown in any genre, I just like this one. I only said other bands that don't seem to do so because there are similar screamo bands that just seem to do it to sound cool and it's a pet peeve, I don't mean to insult anyone else's taste.

And Scott (sorry, I hate using the quote function as it takes up a lot of space and I'm lazy), I was just referring to metal in general and I'll be the first person to say that a lot of it isn't original or unique, I just hate when people assume that all the genre is (at this point I know that's not what you're saying, just explaining my rant). I kinda don't have much else to say other than I completely agree with you. I've come to the point where I can't listen to most new metal bands with members under the age of twenty five on the assumption that it's going to be a cookie cutter version of Escape the Fate or Bullet for my Valentine. Sorry for the generalization between genres, I was thinking you were taking metal as a whole for being the "strum a drop D rapidly and it's genius" cliche. Anyways, this was an entertaining argument in which we both entirely agree with each other

And Aj, you're kinda acting in the way that metalheads hate to get treated- acting as if one genre is all-around superior to another. I'll be the first to tell you that I like this one over any other (by a landslide), but it's all personal preference and genres aren't exactly comparable. You can't exactly say pop sucks because they don't use instruments; they neither try nor need to. Anyways I don't really care that you're arguing with people, just the manner in which you're doing it. There's no need to be inconsiderate to people. By making these random broad assumptions and describing anyone who disagrees with you as being incapable of understanding the genius of your point you're avoiding actually making one and coming off like you don't actually have anything to support your argument other than "you're stewpid and just don't understand".

[xxxAJxxx]

Untalented =/= Unable to capture ALL moods. Read my posts thoroughly first please. Do I personally like Radiohead? No. Are they a good band? Yes. I listen to Fall Out Boy. When have I said that not screaming makes a band bad? I specifically said that bands who don't scream can't capture ALL emotions. Some? Yes. All? No. So does Radiohead capture all emotions? No.