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View Poll Results: Should men's violence against women be treated differently to any other combination?
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Treatment of Violence Against Women. - November 25th 2015, 03:15 AM

Interesting debate I was having with a couple of people on Facebook. Or not really a debate, more me just making my thoughts clear on one comment. For comical effect, I will change the names of the characters:

EDIT: Please remember, I am talking about moral perception and urgency rather than legal treatment. They are not treated differently in law.

Santa: Violence against women is a crime? Um, isn't violence against anyone a crime? I'm sure there are plenty of men and young boys that feel threatened by either women or other men. People preach equality but still distinguish others and their rights by gender.

Vic Fuentes: Violence against women is worse than men inciting violence against men because there is a long placed requirement that men should be better than that. That is a requirement I would be happy to uphold and enforce. Women are also physically, simply biologically, less capable of mounting a defense against abuse, and one on one fighting or assault is different when both parties have equal footing.

Why do you think it's looked down upon to assault someone when they have their back turned?

Violence against anyone is a crime and when people proclaim the criminal status of violence against women, they are not claiming that it is not. Perhaps the better statement would be "domestic violence is a crime", which some people do not believe.

Mini Me: You can't say that. It's socially unacceptable to hit a women but women are just as capable of inflicting harm on an individual.

What your saying can identify as bigotry to an extent. On a humanitarian level, why are women held less accountable for assault then men?

Santa: I agree. I could easily inflict harm on another individual. Who is to say that a man should be held more accountable simply because society has long held them as the stronger individuals in the community. Domestic violence is a crime no matter who the perpetrator is. It is ignorant to only acknowledge women as being in need of help.

I would even get so far as to say that as a woman I have never personally been on the receiving end of violence. And I don't actually have any personal friends that have. Nor do I feel as though Iv ever been degraded by a man or stand at risk of such things. I think a lack of education and respect is to blame. Not the 'strength of men' or the 'weakness of women'.

Not to mention, women are far worse to each other than men are LOL. I have only ever been physically hurt or degraded by another girl. Perhaps that's an even bigger issue!

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The individualism of Santa is the most concerning to me, and perhaps a sign of narcicism. Regardless, hit the poll .

SPOILER ALERT: I am Vic Fuentes. How I fucking wish I could say that literally.


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Re: Treatment of Violence Against Women. - November 25th 2015, 06:32 AM

I feel like assault crimes should be treated based on a combination of size/strength and fighting ability. It's completely illegal for soldiers and blackbelts to fight people except in extenuating circumstances (um... right? Am I?) because they have a huge advantage over their foes. So in this system, a man hitting a girl would be a worse crime usually because in general, women are (usually) biologically less muscular than the average man, and probably have less fighting ability as well. However, since it isn't based on sex, a woman could still get hit with punishment if she exceeded a man in those areas. Imagine that Ronda Rousey decided to assault you. 50 bucks says that, even though I don't know you, you would get torn apart (I would too). Therefore, she would get hit with an appropriate punishment, most likely on par with the average man hitting a girl.
Also, age restrictions for fighting (which I believe exist) should exist. Can't hit a minor unless they are attacking you.
There are definitely holes in this argument. This was thought up within a minute. I'll probably see the issues in a little bit, but feel free to expose them.
Hell, this might be the way it is for all I know... I've never been a part of an assault.


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Re: Treatment of Violence Against Women. - November 26th 2015, 02:20 PM

Violence against women is committed generally in the domestic realm and perpetrated primarily by men. The inverse is not even comparably similar in frequency or extent. When "violence against women" is discussed, it is generally in reference to the domestic environment - a particular kind of violence requiring a particular kind of approach.


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Re: Treatment of Violence Against Women. - November 26th 2015, 02:44 PM

In layman's terms: Mentally sound enough people don't hit other people. Period.

A bit more complicated: Why is domestic violence gendered? It's mostly women, yes, but female on male domestic violence is skyrocketing and 40% of DV victims are male nowadays. (http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...estic-violence) Yet, people are turning a blind eye to it, saying that they should just "Be a man" or "Man up" or hell, I've heard of instances where the assaulted man gets arrested because he defended himself once and she got a small mark or ignored because "He deserved it". Things like that also contribute to the fact that more men commit suicide than women. At best you could call it gendered violence that is becoming less, and less gendered.


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Re: Treatment of Violence Against Women. - November 26th 2015, 08:52 PM

I would like to take this opportunity to declare a bias. I am from Australia and violence against women is at a crisis point in my country, which may impact on my opinion. I cannot speak for other countries.


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Re: Treatment of Violence Against Women. - November 28th 2015, 01:23 AM

I like equality. I get it, that people will always have their differences. But the law, should preach equality.

Anything else is bullshit, likely corrupted by political games and agendas designed to favor one group of people over another. In unique circumstances, such as cases of national emergency, this may be acceptable. But as a general rule, no.

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Reward punishment for crimes with severity of the punishment being correlated to the severity of the crime and it's consequences. Yes, if a man hits a woman, the consequences will probably be worse than if he hit another man.

But don't fucking give worse punishment simply because the other person assaulted is a woman.

I hope people see the difference.

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P.S. male-on-male violence has always been worse from my observations. Sure... men hit women and it's wrong. But when men hit men... they usually end up beating the fuck out of each other, sometimes getting 10 of their friends involved and 5 bystanders at the same time.


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Re: Treatment of Violence Against Women. - November 28th 2015, 10:51 AM

It should all be treated the same, because equality.
I hate that women get off a lot easier with breaking the law than their male counterparts, with some people claiming that all crimes committed by women should be treated as a 'special case' because there is OBVIOUSLY something wrong with them if a they want to commit a crime
   
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Re: Treatment of Violence Against Women. - November 28th 2015, 03:58 PM

It should all be treated the same. I've experienced and witnessed violence from men and women. Women are just as capable of being violent. Violence is violence regardless of the person who did it and the person who experienced it.


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Re: Treatment of Violence Against Women. - November 28th 2015, 05:26 PM

What do you mean "moral" response/urgency? Like, how we're supposed to feel about it? How we're supposed to treat victims? How we're supposed to prioritize prevention efforts? And define "different?" Different doesn't mean better or worse. Etc. I feel violence should be addressed case by case, I don't think I can give a blanket statement like "violence against this gender is worse than another." Perpetrator wise, men are the perpetrators of most violence (against men or against women). That doesn't mean all, but most, so prevention efforts might want to target men more than they target women due to that number. Prevention should also focus on destigmatizing male victims in domestic violence situations (against partners of any gender, as many LGBT men are still stigmatized to not go forward) so they're more willing to go forward. And each act of violence should be treated not equally but equitably; we need to meet people where they are and suit the needs. Particularly vulnerable groups, such as children, are going to be treated differently. Sometimes, that includes women as well.


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Re: Treatment of Violence Against Women. - November 29th 2015, 02:47 PM

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It should all be treated the same. I've experienced and witnessed violence from men and women. Women are just as capable of being violent. Violence is violence regardless of the person who did it and the person who experienced it.
I agree with Cassie.

Violence can happen anywhere and from anyone, no matter who they are or if they are male or female. Women are at fault just as men are. We don't hear a lot about it in the news about women attacking another man, or a women attacking another women. It doesn't matter who cause the violence, what matters is that it happens to everyone, no matter their age or gender. The news only shares what they want to share, people can be attacked and no one knows about it, doesn't mean it never happened. (my friend who is a male, was stalked, threatened, by a female, the police did little to nothing about it. One evening he had enough of it and he broke after 2 years of it and beat her up. He never went to jail because she kept stalking him and everything)

Violence happens because of poor education and laws. If we take the time and educate what is right and what is wrong then things can change. It's always talked about a man treating the lady proper, but that also returns the issue of women need to treat men proper.

In Society police don't seem to point fingers at women causing harm to males unless their is physical evidence. I however, think that should change.


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Re: Treatment of Violence Against Women. - November 30th 2015, 01:20 PM

In a perfect world what is said here is how it should be. But since the whole idea that male on female violence is deemed as one of the worst crimes in our culture anyone that would witness it will act out of context and throw out any since of equality and want to throw the book at said man.

So to really fix the whole equality issue on this subject we would have to change our culture. which if it did happen would take decades.
   
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