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Donald Trump (R) 11 30.56%
Hillary Clinton (D) 21 58.33%
Jill Stein (G) 1 2.78%
Gary Johnson (L) 3 8.33%
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So it's basically official. [American election] - June 8th 2016, 03:39 AM

Unless something crazy happens, Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee and Donald Trump is the Republican. We also have two other candidates running third party. So who are you voting for or supporting, TeenHelp?

I was an avid Bernie supporter, but I'll likely end up voting for Hillary Clinton.

Those not in America are also welcome to pitch in your views.


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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 8th 2016, 04:29 AM

I hate all things. Paying attention to the vote count was so depressing.


Jill Stein it is! Unless Trump is close in Michigan, then I have to vote Hillary. Goddammit, just when I thought this country might develop an actual left wing...


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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 8th 2016, 05:09 AM

Even though I have an "unfavorable" impression of Hiliary Clinton-I just don't trust her, and come on, a President should not hold Katy Perry concerts, I'm stil support her, because, come on, it's Donald Trump.

I know nothing about the third party candidates, and they stand no chance on winning, so I'm basically supporting Hiliary only so Trump doesn't, you know, run this country into the ground. idk


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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 8th 2016, 07:53 AM

I definitely do not trust Clinton one bit, but honestly she's probably better than Trump. The third party candidates I have never heard of before (which would make sense seeing as I don't live in America) and that probably also means they have no chance of winning this, so I guess Hillary it is.

Frankly I'm super glad that I don't have to vote or live in America because unless by some miracle and Bernie suddenly wins, the country is basically turning to dust. Let's just hope the next election ends up a bit better.


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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 8th 2016, 10:51 AM

I'm also rooting for Hillary Clinton as the lesser of two evils (any viable alternative to Trump is okay by me), but as I'm not in America I won't be voting. Good luck to all you US THers, it'll be interesting (to say the least) to see how this all turns out.


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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 8th 2016, 11:41 AM

One way ticket to London, here I come.

*places down payment of $200 into savings jar*

But really, I think I'ma vote for the Libretarian dude. I mean, it seems as if he's got a significant number of votes. If y'all been looking, there's a huge discrepancy in differences when you get the sum of Hilary/Bernie and Trump!

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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 8th 2016, 05:17 PM

Gary Johnson was recently featured in an episode of Full Frontal and he seems very likeable. But Libertarianism.... nahhhh.

I'm honestly very Green party at heart, but I just can't have Donald Trump as president. So hello Hillary. #ImWithHerIGuess


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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 8th 2016, 05:26 PM

Probably Trump, but I may change my mind. I really havent been following it very closely.
   
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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 8th 2016, 05:29 PM

I'm so torn right now because I want Jill Stein but I know how it is with third parties. Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump are both capable of doing horrible things. I do not underestimate Clinton's potential for destruction. Yes, she is not as blunt as Trump but she is corrupt too. I refuse to vote for either. But I'm so torn. I do not feel okay at all with Clinton nor with Trump. I'm at such a loss.
   
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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 8th 2016, 09:49 PM

I mean, just saying... I saw a car with a Trump sticker and I fingered my keys for the first time ever for a reason besides SH urges.
   
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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 9th 2016, 01:34 AM

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There are so many issues that both candidates can use to destroy the world either through never-ending warfare or global warming. That's why the result last night was so depressing.
Hillary will go to war with any foreign thing that so much as sneezes near an American interest, and Trump will go to war with anything that makes fun of his hair. He might even bring out the nukes. Neither one of them will ever touch the actual economic issues because they and and their friends all profit off the broken neoliberal/neoconservative system of Raeganomics. I've said it before, if Trump wins and fails we'll bring in a genius president in 4 years, assuming the world can actually deal with Trump that long. If Hillary wins and has anywhere from failure to moderate success she won't generate enough excitement to win reelection, allowing a complete psychopath like Ted Cruz into office. So, at least 8 more years of shit, possibly 12?
I still think the Clintons told Trump to run for president. He's the ONLY person who could lose to her head to head.


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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 9th 2016, 03:47 AM

Sigh, Clinton, unfortunately.


   
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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 9th 2016, 04:29 AM

As someone who lives in America, but cant vote due to not being born in the country, It is scary to see that people would choose such a horrible man like Trump. Mrs. Clinton is not the greatest choice but she might be able to actually do some good. Trump will just destroy the country even more. Causing lots of monetary problems and destroying families.

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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 10th 2016, 02:42 AM

I'll be voting for Hilary. I wanted it to be Bernie but I guess he was too progressive and people were scared because he was a 'socialist'. I do think his popularity in this election shows that our generation will open their arms to someone that has Bernie's ideas. It's the older generation who is uncertain. So, hopefully in the next election or so from now someone who shares Bernie's beliefs will get elected? We need change in a lot of different things and hopefully one day someone will come forward and bring that change. Still wish it could have been Bernie.

I definitely won't be voting for someone that doesn't have a chance of winning like Jill Stein or Gary Johnson. I feel like that's wasting a vote and it will just lead to a Trump presidency.


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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 10th 2016, 06:54 PM

I am definitely voting for Hilary, because that vote will actually count! My 2012 vote did not count because I voted Libretarian. I'm already registered Democrat for this election and voted Bernie at the Primaries back in March. Now I will vote for Hilary.

I just hope she doesn't pull the same shit her husband did. I mean, I guess I can voice that now as opposed to the original Clinton administration.

Namely...

1) kill a guy like Osama bin Laden. If Bill Clinton had actually paid attention to the growing Al Qaeda group and got his shit together, killing bin Laden, 9/11 would never have happened. Consequently, the war in Afghanistan and Iraq never would have happened either.
2) Don't fuck someone that works in the White House.

   
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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 11th 2016, 01:57 AM

Keep in mind that if a 3rd party candidate gets 5% of the vote they get funding for future elections. I wouldn't recommend voting 3rd party in a swing-state like Ohio where the polls are close, but in solidly democratic states like New York and California, its a safe vote if you want 3rd parties to participate later on without giving Trump electoral votes.
And I wouldn't recommend the Libertarians. Their policy of, "we don't care what you do, AT ALL" extends to businesses destroying the planet. They don't care a whole lot about anything except for getting peoples' privacy back and shrinking the government.


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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 12th 2016, 05:33 AM

Out of these candidates, I hope Hilary Clinton wins.


   
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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 12th 2016, 10:31 PM

To be honest, I was a teen when the 2008 election was in full force. People then were surprisingly political and placed a lot of faith in Obama. They were convinced he would be able to do miracles and perform actions that were outside of the president's power. I was attending one of the largest universities and it was almost scary how much faith people had in Obama.


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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 15th 2016, 01:32 AM

I keep having nightmares of a western world run by Donald Trump and Boris Johnson, so please, American pals, do vote for Clinton.




   
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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 15th 2016, 05:10 PM

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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 15th 2016, 07:02 PM

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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 15th 2016, 09:30 PM

Not from the US. The country imo is possibly going to shit. I'd rather have Obama have a four year extension or a wildcard pick.

If Donny wins, can someone please play 'El Sondito' in front of either the White House or Trump Tower, please?


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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 16th 2016, 04:19 AM

I'm reading a lot of things lately about the DNC committing a MASSIVE election fraud in California. A lot of people, including the people who ran the damn polling stations in California, are saying they were instructed to do a lot of sketchy things, like not accepting provisional ballots (overwhelmingly used by Bernie supporters), handing out ballots that said REP (Republican) in small print, broken machines, closed down polling stations, the media calling Hillary the winner the night before (fraud, not lie)... even flipping Bernie's votes. Yeah, Hillary was going to lose so bad, they even had to give her Bernie's votes. Granted, I've only seen individual accounts of this, but I did see a video of someone pressing Bernie Sanders on a voting machine and the voting machine giving them a different candidate. And I have no reason to give the DNC the benefit of the doubt after all the other alleged frauds (Puerto Rico, New York, Rhode Island (Bernie still won), Arizona, a few more). I also saw the Republican ballot given to a voter with REP on it. According to the estimates I've seen, Bernie was supposed to slaughter her in California, 69-31 (which I don't quite believe, voting shouldn't ever add up to 100 because of the undecided and 3rd party option).
So no, I'm not voting for that cheating neoliberal hack. If she somehow loses to Donald Trump (lol), she deserves it. I could beat Donald Trump in an election. You have to somehow suck just as much as he does to lose to him. He's been acting like such an ass lately, it's like he's trying to lose.
Goddammit, I feel like a conspiracy theorist. Like I actually believe there's been constant election fraud and that Trump is throwing the election as a favor to the Clintons. Or he's senile, because who else would actually suggest that our president is a terrorist sympathizer? Trump did immediately after the shooting at the gay nightclub. I honestly think he's being deliberately unpopular. And he did speak to Bill Clinton before he started his campaign.
I hope I'm just crazy... I must be, I'm the one Jill Steiner so far.
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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 16th 2016, 06:05 AM

The only thing I have to say right now is that it's extremely worrying how many people on here would say they would vote for Donald Trump. I mean, sure people can have different opinions and vote for who they want to but even I know that he is the worst possible person to vote for in this election.


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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 16th 2016, 01:27 PM

Was a huge bernie supporter but since I can't vote for him I'll go for the lesser of two evils and vote for trump who I hate but I understand his view points.
   
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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 19th 2016, 08:23 PM

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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 20th 2016, 12:53 AM

Agreed. Colbert's words on Trump trying to court Bernie voters: "You can't have what you want, so why not have the exact opposite?"
I thought Trump's ideas on trade were better than Hillary's, but in retrospect I don't really know what those ideas were. He just said "NAFTA was a terrible idea, and needs to be renegotiated". No shit Sherlock, anyone who has ever seen a midwestern city like Detroit or Cleveland knows NAFTA sucks.
I kinda supported the idea of letting Trump destroy everything from the ground up to spark real change, but now I just can't... that guy will nuke someone.


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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 21st 2016, 02:31 AM

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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 21st 2016, 01:05 PM

I heard on the radio this morning a 20 year old tried to assailant Donald Trump.

On the radio they were talking about it, they mentioned that it may spark others try to do the same thing.

This whole Donald Trump causing issues and being hateful about many different things (Muslims, Mexico Wall, etc.) is concerning for many reasons.

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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 22nd 2016, 03:51 AM

He's normalized being an asshole under the guise that "Political correctness is destroying our society". No, Trump and his supporters are. What are kids supposed to think, watching him talk trash about minorities all day? The only constructive thing his campaign has done is warn the parties to never let this happen again. And hopefully invest money in education.
I have a feeling this will be over soon, though. A women accused Trump and another billionaire of raping her when she was 13, and it looks like the case is picking up a lot of traction.
But to the 8 people who said Trump... seriously, come on. I might be voting for a hippie with no governmental experience, but she doesn't have a history of lies, fraud, and sexual assault accusations behind her.


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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 23rd 2016, 12:33 AM

^^A mere accusation does not indicate guilt. Anyone can make unfalsifiable claims about what someone did 20 years ago, doesnt mean that there is any truth behind it. You do realize that this wouldnt be the first time similar accusations have been made against politicians and public figures? I would need to see at least some actual evidence; what "traction" are you talking about?
   
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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 23rd 2016, 09:39 AM

I watched a TV series called "House of Cards" recently. Finished 3 days ago actually. I'm sure at least some people here have heard of it.

I recommend it. I ought to open some people's eyes to what sort of mudslinging goes in politics during periods like this, and open some people's eyes to how ruthless and dangerous some people can be, in complete contrast to their appearances.

P.S. I think 8 people voting for Trump, in contrast to 18 people voting for Hilary, on a website like this (which is largely very liberal/left wing)... kind of, speaks for itself. I was expecting there to be far fewer Trump supporters here, and it makes me wonder how much of the general population supports Trump.

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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 28th 2016, 08:03 PM

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O I hate trump only thing good he has is his second amendment views........

Hillary would destroy this country

Bernie had ideals that would truly turn this country around with improving it..to many ideas to choose at moment cause im upset
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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - June 28th 2016, 09:03 PM

I could never just jump from a candidate like Bernie Sanders to a candidate like Donald Trump. Like Traci said, it's illogical.
   
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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - July 13th 2016, 02:44 AM

Hate to bump this, but Bernie Sanders is now officially out of the race and has endorsed Hillary Clinton. In case that influences anyone.

Of third party, I consider myself very similar to Green party would have liked Jill Stein but her rhetoric has been repetitive and not based in policy (she's basically just advocating "there's more than two options!" and trying to get people to hate Hillary Clinton. Granted, both Trump and Hillary and basically just doing that to each other at this point. ) Jill Stein has also said some weird antiscience things that I just don't like. I'm not huge on Hillary...but she has a chance, the Democratic party has continued to adopt progressive points into their platform, and Bernie is now campaigning for her. Sorry Stein.


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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - July 13th 2016, 04:01 AM

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^^A mere accusation does not indicate guilt. Anyone can make unfalsifiable claims about what someone did 20 years ago, doesnt mean that there is any truth behind it. You do realize that this wouldnt be the first time similar accusations have been made against politicians and public figures? I would need to see at least some actual evidence; what "traction" are you talking about?
http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/don...-rape-lawsuit/
Well, here it is. A detailed description about being raped by Donald Trump. And we are talking about Trump. I'm not about to give HIM the benefit of the doubt. There are tons of horrible allegations against him. He's been in 3500 court cases, 169 of which were federal. It just goes to show that the powerful have nothing to fear.
I don't blame Bernie for endorsing Clinton. He promised to if he lost. And he pushed the Democratic platform pretty far to the left, which probably justified the endorsement in his eyes. I was kinda pissed that Bernie said Hillary would make a "wonderful president". No she won't. The ONLY way she'll be a good president is if she follows Bernie's blueprint. She SHOULD do that, because it is the ONLY way she'll get re-elected. You know, by getting people to like her.
I'll still vote for Jill Stein. I agree with most of her important points minus abortion and presumably assisted suicide. But then there is the anti-science stuff: As far as I have read, a lot of Green partiers are against GMOs and vaccines (give me a break...) but she seems to support finding an HIV/AIDS vaccine, suggesting that she is pro-vaccine for other ones. Good. She's a doctor who went to Harvard. In regards to GMOs and pesticides, she wants to have a moratorium (temporary delay) until they're proven safe. She also wants GMOs labeled. Well... ok, even though GMOs are a scientific miracle that could help feed people in harsh climates. I think a lot of the anti-science stuff like anti-vaccine, anti-GMO, anti-all pesticides, homeopathy (Jesus Christ...) (oops, just remembered I smoke weed daily for medicinal benefit :/) are attributed to her because she is the leader of what is stereotyped as a party of hippies. But she is against nuclear power, which I think is kind of silly... not every nuclear power plant is gonna be a Chernobyl. Her idea would be to get us completely off of non-renewable energy and onto renewable energy like solar, wind, etc. which I like. Is there something anti-science that I'm missing, though?
I've started to like Gary Johnson a little though. I've ranted against Libertarians in the past, but he seems like a genuinely good guy. He smokes weed and seems to care about the environment to the point where he would allow the government to step in, and he's not your stereotypical whistleblower racist Republican. He also won't go to war just for the hell of it. But Libertarians basically stand for no government intervention in the market. Yeah, thats what we need, Ronald Reagan's policies on steroids. Extreme Reaganomics. As if regular Reagonomics DIDN'T destroy this country over the last forty years. But at least he smokes weed and would end this stupid drug war.
Hillary, on the other hand, will definitely go to war with someone. And not a "minor war" like the fight against ISIS (I know it isn't minor). I'm talking about a country, like Iran, Syria, Palestine, North Korea (which I actually approve of, they really are building nukes), or even Russia. I doubt China. But Hillary is a war hawk, Kissinger-style. I won't be even remotely complicit in that by voting for her.
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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - July 13th 2016, 03:52 PM

Clinton is a criminal and should be in jail. Anyone voting for her is voting for the flaws in our system. Those in power can get away with crimes that those without power would serve sentences for. If anyone else had done what she did they would be in jail.

Trump is an idiot. Seriously, that's all I have to say.

I am voting Johnson. While the idea of voting third party scares me, he aligns most closely to my political beliefs.




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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - July 14th 2016, 07:51 AM

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Well, here it is. A detailed description about being raped by Donald Trump. And we are talking about Trump. I'm not about to give HIM the benefit of the doubt. There are tons of horrible allegations against him. He's been in 3500 court cases, 169 of which were federal. It just goes to show that the powerful have nothing to fear.
The trend is, that the more money you have, the more people try to take it from you. It doesn't matter how you got it, fairly or not. That is what happens. So I don't think the number of court cases someone has been in, is at all representative of how "good" or "bad" a person they are.

With a legal system in place which prohibits beating someone like Trump up in the street and taking his car... people ironically use the legal system itself, to try and extort money from others. Sometimes this is on fair grounds, sometimes it is just opportunistic greed. Depending on the legal system, these could be lawsuits, or these could criminal cases created only to generate pressure on the accused to offer an out-of-court settlement to the supposedly injured person.

Perhaps there is some basis behind these accusations of him raping a 13 year old girl, or perhaps they're entirely made up. Or perhaps they're entirely true. Nobody can tell at this stage, besides people believing what they want to be true. That's what a court hearing ought to be able to disambiguate. But I think this might not even be about a court hearing. How come she decides to suddenly come out when Trump is running for president? I think this might be motivated by something else, other than money, or justice. It could be just more political games. Or not. The lawsuit should go ahead, so that people find out what the truth is.

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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - July 14th 2016, 08:23 PM

Another update, VPs. It's looking like Trump is going to pick Indiana Governor Mike Pence as his running mate at a sad attempt to get the moral majority/evangelical vote since a married three times formerly pro-choice business man doesn't cut it.


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Re: So it's basically official. [American election] - July 18th 2016, 01:07 AM

It's like asking which socket to stick my finger in. Bottom or top.

It'll end up being Hillary though Sucks that my first time voting is going for someone I don't even like SOMEWHAT.

But Trump is a disaster just waiting for happen. In my opinion so is Hillary...but less of a disaster so.

What am I going to do?


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