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My Thoughts on Fidel Castro. - December 5th 2016, 04:44 AM

For those of you who do not know, Fidel Castro, former Cuban leader and revolutionary, passed away a few days ago. Much debate has been made about whether or not people should be mourning his death, and about the nature of the reactions. I said the same thing about the leader of the Westboro baptist church, but I figured that I would enlist the help of George W.M. Reynolds, and his fantastic (at least so far) novel, Wagner the Werewolf. I encourage you to share your thoughts. This appears in Chapter 4, contemplating the response of a major character to the death of his father, who appeared to dislike him, and prefer his sister, to which the major character, Francisco is exceptionally close.

Truly, on the brink of the tomb no animosity should ever find a resting-place in the human heart. Though elsewhere men yield to the influence of their passions and their feelings, in pursuing each his separate interests—though, in the great world, we push and jostle each other, as if the earth were not large enough to allow us to follow our separate ways—yet, when we meet around the grave, to consign a fellow creature to his last resting-place, let peace and holy forgiveness occupy our souls. There let the clash of interests and the war of jealousies be forgotten; and let us endeavor to persuade ourselves that, as all the conflicting pursuits of life must terminate at this point at last, so should our feelings converge to the one focus of amenity and Christian love. And, after all, how many who have considered themselves to be antagonists must, during a moment of solemn reflection, become convinced that, when toiling in the great workshop of the world, they have been engaged, in unconscious fraternity, in building up the same fabric!


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Re: My Thoughts on Fidel Castro. - December 5th 2016, 10:46 AM

I think we've got to ask ourselves a serious question with regards to what has changed, that now we have a fairly mainstream culture which advocates sympathy for dictators.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not passing judgement. I do think that a country's leadership (dictatorial or otherwise) is mainly a product of circumstances. I even think the same is true of Hitler. But we need to think about just how much blame we're willing to assign to "circumstances", and how much to the "individual" person in power or those who helped him gain that power.

Hitler was also a product of circumstances, most significantly, reparations imposed on Germany after WW1 (among others, such as the great depression even). Does that absolve Hitler of crimes? Or the people who helped him come to power? No. Does Castro compare to Hitler? Besides being a dictator, hardly. But I'm worried about the direction this is taking us in.

And also how much sympathy is being given due to Castro being a communist, as opposed to Hitler being a fascist? I ask because I've noticed that also rigs people's opinions.

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Re: My Thoughts on Fidel Castro. - December 5th 2016, 04:47 PM

To me, this is really a matter of philosophical discussion and impact than anything of a political impact. I am too young to have lived, or learnt about, the actions of Fidel Castro, just like I found it somewhat bemusing that people are so entrenched in the events of the Bill Clinton administration, and his "sexual predation" when discussing Hilary Clinton's prospects. I was al small child at the time, I have no clue what happened back then, but I do not care.

I can understand how people who lived under Castro's administration would be angry and bitter at him, but celebrating in the streets at his death is simply animalistic to me. There are two separate entities, really. The idea, and the person conveying the idea. I really think that many people in Cuba are mourning the man, not the idea he was a puppet for. World leaders, leaders of particular countries can sometimes be father figures and role models to people to have lived with the person all their lives. Even if they are celebrating the idea, do they really know any better? They have lost a person who has probably been with them since they were born.

Furthermore, Fidel Castro could have been anyone. He could have been a theologian or a mathematician, and, as I said, I believe his ideas were different from his person, they are two different things. People mourn lost opportunity, and I think some people are remembering that Fidel Castro could have been part of the solution, rather than part of the problem, and he could have turned around, become a bridge for the peace between Cuba and the US, and that dies with him, that opportunity, who could he have been and what could he have done?

At the deathbed, he should be treated as just another human being. That's what he was really.


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Re: My Thoughts on Fidel Castro. - December 5th 2016, 06:47 PM

I understand now. But still, saying that he was a "father figure" to his people, doesn't actually win over my understanding towards him. It just worsens things in fact.

I have a pretty low opinion of politicians who seek to be in any way worshiped, or looked upon as some sort of divine authority, such as a father is to a small child.

Again, this rarely happens in democracies. I've seen some crappy opinions here and there, showing this sort of devotion towards Hilary Clinton, and in some cases Donald Trump. It's not a good sign. It's one of the reasons why I categorically do not like Putin either, because there are factions in Russian society that actually worship him. You'll always have some people like this. It's the proportions that matter.

People cried at Stalin's funeral as well, and that time, it wasn't because they feared getting kidnapped by the KGB in the middle of the night. They actually missed him. I'm talking about the general population.

It's like an abusive relationship, where one person verbally abuses and beats the other... and yet the other person still clings onto that relationship because they've never known anything/anyone else better (and that tends to happen more often when you have a dictator in power for decades, and people are never given better alternatives to chose from). I actually think it's kind of sick. It's difficult to get any more exploitative. It's one of the things that makes me notably angry when I see it. Not "irritated", angry.

Aaand well, people don't usually change for the "better" when they take power. So hoping that Castro would have changed, seems a bit, wishful. Still, in the greater scheme of things... he was one of the less "bad" dictators.

I don't disagree with having a decent funeral, like for any human being. And I don't disagree either that celebrating people's death in the streets is animalistic.

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Then politics doesn't care about you either. Truth. You've got to make your voice heard, if you want to be listened to. But that's too logical for some people, so let me go a step further. Not making your voice heard, leaves other people free to hijack it by speaking on your behalf, even if they don't actually give a shit about you. That's politics. So, make your voice heard. That's not a quote from anywhere. That's just me.


   
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