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Assault Against Feelings. - March 23rd 2017, 03:46 AM

Last week, in Sydney, a man was stopped by police at a train station when checks revealed that there was a possibility that his transport card was stolen, because it was a pensioner's card and he looked young and fit. The police stated that until the matter was resolved, he could not leave. He was not technically under arrest, but there was an investigation to be had. His train had arrived, but he was still not allowed to leave. It was found that the card was not stolen and he was let on his way.

He took the police to court, claiming that his detainment effectively amounted to "unlawful imprisonment" and won $3,201 compensation for four minutes of normal checks. He said that he was made to feel like a criminal, and was upset by the incident. This opens up some sort of can of worms, and I cannot, for the life of me, agree with it. Police have a job to do, and I do not think it is right for them to release someone because they feel bad about the situation.

I just read a post online about a woman who was stopped by an unmarked police car. The police officer turned out to be an imposter, wearing jeans instead of an actual uniform. She called 911 and the operator recommended that she drive to the nearest police station. Whoever, the person who made this post recommended that people do this to any and all unmarked cars if they do not feel comfortable with stopping. Laws are different surrounding unmarked vehicles in Australia. An unmarked police vehicle is a police vehicle, and they must be treated the same when they have their lights and sirens on. I would personally love to see a court rule on a person setting police off on a low speed chase all the way to the nearest police station because they did not feel comfortable with the situation.

This is just one example of a number of situations where courts and police have been expected to consider the feelings of others when making a decision. In the middle of the investigation into institutional responses to child sexual abuse Cardinal George Pell was asked to give evidence via video link. Victims and their representatives said that that was not good enough and that he should be made to fly to Australia and face victims directly, even though he had a heart condition and could not fly. A couple of days after the hearing, he was spotted in an Italy restaurant. A camera crew reported on it in an assumption that he did not look that sick, and if he can have dinner in town, then he can fly to Australia.

Most people are not paid to care about people's feelings.

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Re: Assault Against Feelings. - March 23rd 2017, 04:10 AM

This is why cases of "emotional distress" are so hard to win in court. I think common sense should be used when you're dealing with the general public even if you aren't "paid to care about people's feelings." Their first priority is their jobs, not to worry about upsetting people, but their jobs are done a certain way. If they go against that, or make an irresponsible decision, then people can be upset, and that should matter, especially if, like in the first case they were wrong. He wasn't let go because he was upset by the situation. He was let go because he was innocent. They treated him like a criminal and it turned out he wasn't one. If you treat an innocent person like a criminal, they are allowed to be upset by that. Whether or not it'll hold up in court depends on who's hearing it and the details of the situation.

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Re: Assault Against Feelings. - March 23rd 2017, 04:32 AM

Wow. That's lame. Especially the guy who didn't miss his train.
But Ill still trade countries with you any day of the week. Im not trying to be dismissive, but its crunch time for me right now.

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Re: Assault Against Feelings. - March 24th 2017, 10:32 PM

Based on the information you provided in your post, yes it sounds stupid.

But now I'm very open minded that there often is more information that isn't necessarily published by the news. I don't know from what you said how the search was conducted, how the police handled him, whether or not they might have emptied his suitcase on the platform (I doubt they did).

I was stopped in an airport once because I forgot to take my laptop out of my hand luggage when going through the scanners. They used this as a reason to search my hand luggage in detail (annoying, but fair enough). Then they fed me a bullshit story about how the 2000 in cash that I was carrying was "illegal" because I should have declared it, which was a bullshit story, and they then used it as a reason to detain me and go through all my luggage, go through my personal shit, and cause general hassle. I was traveling by air between the UK and Poland (both are countries in the EU). I was reasonably certain that only amounts above 10 000 Euros needed to be declared, but I wasn't certain enough to be confrontational about it. When I checked later online, I found that 10 000 Euros must be declared when traveling in or out of the EU. When traveling within the EU, you even don't have to declare any amount.

So yes, when shit like that happens, then I'm all for losing a foot up a person's ass when they overstep their authority.


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