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Woman's Studies Class Forced to Change - March 23rd 2017, 03:47 PM

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My first thought was... "did anyone respect the GIRLS enough to ask THEM what THEY want?"

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Re: Woman's Studies Class Forced to Change - March 23rd 2017, 04:19 PM

Well these skills sound like life skills which is good for anyone intereste in my eyes. But why does it have to be girls only? Make any course you want but then make it available to any gender. There are exceptions to this as I do see that there's a time and place for gender specific programs but as a public school, for extra curricular courses, I don't see the point. Maybe just have a variety of classes such as woodworking, cooking, hairstyling, sewing, horseback riding, whatever it is. And allow each student to choose 3 top choices and then try to pair them up with one of their top choices. Every term, they can choose something else or stick to the same one. But that way, students attending the school can choose their interests. They can also suggest new courses and if there's enough demand for it and a teacher to teach it and a budget for it, then bam.
I mean come on, in college, there's women's choir or something but usually there's a co-ed option for a singing group. In the workplace, there's male nurses and social workers, and women scientists and doctors but there's also women childcare workers and men surgeons. It becomes a problem when a person of a gender group WANTS to go into a non traditional job and is denied that or discouraged that it becomes a problem. But when some women truly enjoy being astay at home mom, there's nothing wrong with that, it should be respected. But the problem is that traditional women's work suffer a lot from low pay, poor working conditions, high stress, lack of trust and autonomy, lack of creative imput.
Doing childcare requires a lot of creativity, emotional labor and yet, childcare workers are controlled by business model of education, standardized testing, corporations. This is an assault on femininity in my opinion. Whether a man or woman takes on that role, they will suffer. But usually a man will go higher up the ladder quicker, get higher pay. But still as a childcare worker, he is not valued as he would have been if he were a doctor. Because feminine values are not valued. So things like beauty, fashion, style, homemaking is not bad on its own. It just depends whon makes the curriculum, what the curriculum looks like and who is included vs excluded from taking those courses.

Asking the girls if they want to take that course is fine but boys should also be offered it if they want that course too

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Re: Woman's Studies Class Forced to Change - March 24th 2017, 03:25 AM

I think the course has good and bad components to it. For example, I don't think it's necessary to be focusing so much on beauty, hairstyles, and fashion in the classroom at such a young age. However, things like cooking/knowing how to set a table, knowing how to dress professionally, etc. are all valuable life skills regardless of gender. If they just revamp the course and gear it more towards a home economics standpoint (I'm not sure about all schools, but we no longer have home economics in my area), it could be beneficial for these girls.

Also, I'm not so sure about calling it "Women's Studies" as I've always thought of those types of courses as examining women's history and influential women, not reinforcing stereotypes.


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Re: Woman's Studies Class Forced to Change - March 24th 2017, 03:34 AM

Yeah, that class seems pretty sexist, not to mention silly- but just because its called "women's studies" and its only open to girls. That reminds me of the 1950s, where the focus for women was how to be a man's idea of a good wife. If this class was open to everyone, you could just call it home-ec/etiquette, and I wouldn't even have a problem with it. Its not like its full of useless stuff. As it is, this issue isn't like a world-ender or anything to me, I just think its dumb.
When you say "did anyone respect the girls enough to ask what they want", what do you mean?


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Re: Woman's Studies Class Forced to Change - March 24th 2017, 04:47 AM

My first question was what decade is this? Dinner party etiquette, dinner music, and polite conversation, really?!

We had a class like this too (8th grade so 13-14), and EVERYBODY had to take it. It wasn't gender specific, but you could tell that it used to be geared towards women's traditional gender roles. We had to cook and sew, brainstorm career plans etc., but nothing about our appearance or how to dress and reports about important figures in history were reserved for other classes where it was more relevant. I think it should either be gender neutral and required for everybody with a focus on general life skills rather than physical appearance, or not offered at all.


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Re: Woman's Studies Class Forced to Change - March 24th 2017, 05:29 AM

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When you say "did anyone respect the girls enough to ask what they want", what do you mean?
If a person says that what they are doing is out of respect for these girls - and yet they do not even ask the girls what they think - I have to question just how respectful they really are. The course was appealing enough for 25 girls to sign up for last month. THEY wanted the course. And yet.... "We [meaning Alberta's Education Minister] informed them [the school] that all problematic or offensive components must be changed!" Problematic and offensive to WHO?!

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Re: Woman's Studies Class Forced to Change - March 24th 2017, 05:51 AM

If I'm in charge of education, Im not about to leave the school curriculum in the hands of the students. It's the Education Minister's job to make decisions which classes stay, not kids age 12-15. I'd let the students choose the classes they want from the ones that are there, of course, but 50 bucks says at least 20 of the 25 took this as a BS class to get what is essentially a free period. Everybody I've ever met plus me has done that.
If they remove the class, they remove the class. That happens all the time for schools. Like I said, I'd just rename it home-ec, probably remove the stuff about fashion (I think its a waste of time and money for that to be taught in schools), and open it up to everyone. But I want to see what they'll replace it with and see if its a better use of resources.


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Re: Woman's Studies Class Forced to Change - March 24th 2017, 05:56 AM

I think the basis of the course is a good idea.

Personally in my school, we had home economics in my school where we would learn how to cook, sew, plan menus and such from 6th grade till 8th where it was required to take. My brother has to take home ec at his school as well from 6-8th grade (he's in public school). We learned etiquette as well (table setting, proper modest dress, manners, ect) throughout other courses. For example, in French we would need to make a meal, set the table properly with table settings and such, use proper manners, dress up (not in our uniform), ect, a few times during the year and we would be graded on our presentation of food, table and ourselves as well getting docked marks if we spoke any English. We also had ettiequte classes spread through the year in gym class as well that taught us us to dance, manners, dress, host, ect in preparation for the big "ball" at the end of the year.

I guess what I'm saying is, yeah it's a good idea but it should be aimed at both genders and teach things like cooking, sewing, manners, ect and if they want a course on hair styling/nails, it should be offered separately.
   
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