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The execution of Akmar Shaikh - December 30th 2009, 09:42 PM

for anyone who doesn't know.. Akmar Shaikh is a british citizen who has just been executed in China for smuggling 4 kilos of heroin.

his family claim that he was mentally ill [he supposedly had bipolar] and that he should not be executed because of this.

so.. do you think China were right to go ahead and execute this guy?

Personally i think that yes, they were right. even though i'm not entirely in support of the death penalty.. it is their law over there and he broke the law so they are perfectly justified in executing him.


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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - December 30th 2009, 09:53 PM

Well I am aganist it anyway, but even if I WERE for the death pentally I would be aganist this. First of all, if he was mentally ill then it is possibile he did not REALIZE what he was doing was wrong at the time he did it. Second of all it was not even one of their citizens, and to go THAT far even if he broke their law is just a little on the harsh side.
   
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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - December 30th 2009, 09:59 PM

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Well I am aganist it anyway, but even if I WERE for the death pentally I would be aganist this. First of all, if he was mentally ill then it is possibile he did not REALIZE what he was doing was wrong at the time he did it. Second of all it was not even one of their citizens, and to go THAT far even if he broke their law is just a little on the harsh side.
it's irrelevant whether he was a chinese citizen or not really.. their country.. their rules. he had a psychological evaluation i believe, and the fact that he may have been bipolar [it's debatable if he was or not] does not make him unaware of his actions.


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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - December 30th 2009, 10:00 PM

It's their law and he broke it so it's up to them how they punish him in my opinion. I don't really agree with the death penalty but at the end of the day he knew the consequences of his actions and still went ahead and did it anyway.


   
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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - December 30th 2009, 10:50 PM

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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - December 30th 2009, 11:13 PM

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Where does communism fit in to this? And they aren't really communist to be honest, yes they may be ruled by a communist party, but the distribution of money and stuff is quite unfair.
   
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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - December 30th 2009, 11:21 PM

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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - December 31st 2009, 12:28 AM

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Not to point fingers, but isn't that how any system with a death penalty works, including those in the US?

Regarding Shaikh, I think the death penalty is wrong to begin with. That said, I have very limited sympathy for drug dealers / traffickers.


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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - December 31st 2009, 12:55 AM

If you don't mind me asking, what method was used to execute him? Overall, I do not agree with the death penalty. There may be certain cases where I think it is needed, but this most certainly is NOT one of them.
   
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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - December 31st 2009, 01:00 AM

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If you don't mind me asking, what method was used to execute him? Overall, I do not agree with the death penalty. There may be certain cases where I think it is needed, but this most certainly is NOT one of them.
Lethal injection?
   
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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - December 31st 2009, 01:01 AM

Umm, I am against the death penalty but...they have their own laws. I am sure he was somewhat aware of the punishments in place when he was trafficking drugs.


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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - December 31st 2009, 01:03 AM

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If you don't mind me asking, what method was used to execute him? Overall, I do not agree with the death penalty. There may be certain cases where I think it is needed, but this most certainly is NOT one of them.
yes it was lethal injection. it was going to be firing squad but it got changed to lethal injection.


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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - December 31st 2009, 01:08 AM

He has bipolar so they shouldn't kill him, instead they should give him meds to help him with his disorder.


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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - December 31st 2009, 01:15 AM

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He has bipolar so they shouldn't kill him, instead they should give him meds to help him with his disorder.
but being bipolar doesn't make him unaware of what he's doing?.. and i don't believe it was actually confirmed that he was.. i think it was more his family saying it, although i'm not sure.


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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - December 31st 2009, 01:26 AM

If you break a law in another country, you are going to be tried and punished under their justice system. That's the way it is and the way it should be.

HOWEVER it seems as if there is significant evidence that Akmar Shaikh was experience serious mental ill health when he committed the crime and was being fully taken advantage of by drug smugglers. China have said that it was Akmar Shaikh's responsibility to provide this information and he did not/did not provide evidence. I think that because his mental health was never assessed or investigated or taken into consideration the execution is wrong - you cannot expect a mentally ill person to rationally think about their trial and provide information for their defence.

Also not liking the fact that China has basically told Britain to back down or the international relationship will suffer. Didn't Copenhagen do enough damage, China?
   
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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - December 31st 2009, 01:30 AM

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but being bipolar doesn't make him unaware of what he's doing?.. and i don't believe it was actually confirmed that he was.. i think it was more his family saying it, although i'm not sure.
Pretty sure they had evidence from people who knew him in Poland including doctors? Saw that on the news I think.

Bipolar does not make him unaware of what he is doing but it does make him very vulnerable to abuse, which may have been what happened in this case. According to the BBC he was told that he would be made a popstar if he carried a suitcase. Untreated bipolar would have meant he would not have been able to fully think about the concequences of his actions or rationalise what was being asked of him. He may well not even been aware that there were drugs in the suitcase. If he was indeed suffering seirous bipolar when he committed the crime, he should be considered innocent and this true of China's own laws - they have failed to look into his mental health and that is where the problem lies. If they had investigated it, looked into his medical records, had him assessed by a psychiatrist, etc and found it to be untrue then I could understand the sentence as it follows their own laws. But there has been no investigation at all, they expected Akmar Shaikh himself to present the information, completely unreasonable expectation of a mentally ill person.
   
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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - December 31st 2009, 02:49 PM

I'm against the death penalty. But anyway, even if I wouldn't be against it, it's completely ridiculous to kill drug smugglers. I mean, where are we going to? If they would begin to execute every drug smuggler in my country, there would be a very large amount of executions. There are plenty of drug smugglers.
And personally, I think it has nothing to do with being a communist country or not. I mean, if they would be real communists, they wouldn't execute people anyway. They aren't communist, dude, they are kind of... collective dictature. I'm very sorry, but it's true.
I don't care wheater he's Brittish, Chinese, Australian, Belgian, German, American, Mongolian nomad, Amazonian indian or Aboriginal. Drug smugglers shouldn't be executed. I don't say that what he has done is good, but they can close him up or anything. By the way, I think that the Death Penalty is no real punishement. I mean, they have pain for a little moment, but after that, it's finished. The death row must be psychological more painful then the execution itself.
   
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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - December 31st 2009, 03:05 PM

I don't agree with the way China handled this. The Death penalty should only be used in extreme cases, e.g: the lesser evil and such - serial killers!. There has been evidence to suggest Shaikh was mentally ill and tricked into believing he would have become a rockstar or something along the lines of that; if he smuggled the drugs into China. I find it appalling that the death penalty system is being used to kill people who pose no direct threat to others - yes he was mentally ill, yes he smuggled in drugs, but he did not go on a mass murder spree or rape people - he smuggled in drugs ffs, something that happens in every country - is it right to kill all drug smugglers? No. What can be solved by doing that?


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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - December 31st 2009, 03:31 PM

^^ China has a massive drug problem, so it's clear he was executed because they needed to send a message out to the dealers. Not something I agree with but it's not reckless purging like some people are suggesting.

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It's not so much that he was bipolar, it's that he agreed to the operation because he believed they'd make him a pop star - that's his problem.
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^^ China has a massive drug problem, so it's clear he was executed because they needed to send a message out to the dealers. Not something I agree with but it's not reckless purging like some people are suggesting.


It's not so much that he was bipolar, it's that he agreed to the operation because he believed they'd make him a pop star - that's his problem.
well - he says that he believed they would make him a popstar. i'd probably say that someone conned me into doing it if i was in his position as well, as to try and avoid being executed.


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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - January 1st 2010, 06:11 AM

I don't see why they'd execute someone for smuggling drugs in the first place? I'm against the death penelty, but it is their country, and he broke one of their laws, so bipolar or not he should be dealt with according to their laws.


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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - January 1st 2010, 12:53 PM

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well - he says that he believed they would make him a popstar. i'd probably say that someone conned me into doing it if i was in his position as well, as to try and avoid being executed.
Sure, make up an excuse, but something as bizarre as that can't be a logical excuse - normally you'd mention threats, being framed etc. A popstar? No way!
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Re: The execution of Akmar Shaikh - January 3rd 2010, 04:38 AM

http://www.reprieve.org.uk/akmalshaikh

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