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Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 13th 2010, 04:42 AM

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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 13th 2010, 05:12 AM

If it is proven that the teacher is the one who wrote that on the student's paper, they should be fired.

There is no or very little defense for a teacher doing something like this. He's using loser to fit in better with his students, are you kidding me? The parents saying that need some lessons themselves. It encourages and probably has led to self esteem and bulling issues with many of those students.
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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 13th 2010, 05:17 AM

I was just speechless when I read this. And for those to defend him, even got me more furious. I honestly do think this sends the wrong message to the student.


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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 13th 2010, 06:18 AM

This is actually close to me, well in the same state. I think it's wrong to call a child a loser, that's just not nice. And to lower his grade because of it is unfair. That's no way to relate to your students, unless they are bullying the kid and you want to join in, which is more than a little unprofessional. He could relate to his students in a different way. I'd love to hear what comes from this.


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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 13th 2010, 06:47 AM

The kid probably was a loser, and needs to learn his/her place in society, there will always be some of us at the top, and the rest at the bottom. School has become too much 'Express yourself and discover the inner you, because we're all equal" which is a fallacy! Some people are better and some people are worse, that's why some of us become doctors and some work as janitors.


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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 13th 2010, 06:54 AM

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Our teachers used to write worst things in our papers and we turned out ok...


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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 13th 2010, 08:33 AM

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Our teachers used to write worst things in our papers and we turned out ok...

I don't think you're recognizing all the people who didn't turn out okay.
It's bad enough to be bullied by another student, but worse if it's by a teacher. It's so mentally and emotionally disabling and harmful that I can't even begin to explain. Unless your definition of okay is that some people don't ever think about it, but some people have a low self-esteem, may have depression or other mood disorders caused by teachers bullying students, then yeah I suppose everyone is okay...



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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 13th 2010, 12:07 PM

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The kid probably was a loser, and needs to learn his/her place in society, there will always be some of us at the top, and the rest at the bottom. School has become too much 'Express yourself and discover the inner you, because we're all equal" which is a fallacy! Some people are better and some people are worse, that's why some of us become doctors and some work as janitors.
Even if the kid wasn't popular that doesn't give the teacher the right to put that one his paper, let alone grade him based on that. It has nothing to do with his work and is inapropriate. Yes, some people are on top and some aren't, nobody is debating that, however things like that are damaging to kids just like Maria was saying. I personally find it appalling.


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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 13th 2010, 12:39 PM

hmm, i don't think it's that bad. i mean, it's not ok.. but there are way worse things they could have written. my old french teacher used to write some pretty 'funny' [rude] things on peoples papers but ehh, it's a fine line really. if i were that kid i would have taken it in good humour unless the teacher was an ass then i would probably complain about it.


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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 13th 2010, 05:43 PM

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I don't think you're recognizing all the people who didn't turn out okay.
It's bad enough to be bullied by another student, but worse if it's by a teacher. It's so mentally and emotionally disabling and harmful that I can't even begin to explain. Unless your definition of okay is that some people don't ever think about it, but some people have a low self-esteem, may have depression or other mood disorders caused by teachers bullying students, then yeah I suppose everyone is okay...
My definition of OK means that people continue in life without a little word bugging them.
One of my teacher's in school used to call people names. Everyone thought it was funny. I mean, think about it… you really have to try to get a 20% on a paper, sleep through class, don't take notes, never do homework, etc. Why can’t teachers be allowed to be a little tough, everyone is so soft skin theses days it’s ridiculous.
Maybe it would be a good idea that the teacher apologizes, if that at all but fired and all that is over the line.


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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 13th 2010, 05:50 PM

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I mean, think about it… you really have to try to get a 20% on a paper, sleep through class, don't take notes, never do homework, etc. Why can’t teachers be allowed to be a little tough, everyone is so soft skin theses days it’s ridiculous. Maybe it would be a good idea that the teacher apologizes, if that at all but fired and all that is over the line.
Actually if you look properly it says "20%- for being a loser" so he hasn't got a 20% just for the work and to me it doesn't seem to be done in a laughing sort of way


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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 13th 2010, 05:52 PM

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The kid probably was a loser, and needs to learn his/her place in society, there will always be some of us at the top, and the rest at the bottom. School has become too much 'Express yourself and discover the inner you, because we're all equal" which is a fallacy! Some people are better and some people are worse, that's why some of us become doctors and some work as janitors.
Loser or not, a teacher should NOT be passing judgement. At this age, he could really end up anywhere in life. He could be the next Einstein for all we know. Some kids take more time to find what he/she is really good at. Some kids need more encouragement to achieve things and become a star. Teachers are supposed to teach children basic skills in Math, English, Science, Language, and History- not to engage in childish behavior that upsets their students. I find this incident RIDICULOUS.


   
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Loser or not, a teacher should NOT be passing judgement. At this age, he could really end up anywhere in life. He could be the next Einstein for all we know. Some kids take more time to find what he/she is really good at. Some kids need more encouragement to achieve things and become a star. Teachers are supposed to teach children basic skills in Math, English, Science, Language, and History- not to engage in childish behavior that upsets their students. I find this incident RIDICULOUS.
he could be the next Einstein, or the next bum on the street. Based on the current trend, I assume the bum. Saying some kids need more encouragement just shows that they are not as good, we should not waste our time, effort, or resources on the weak.


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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 14th 2010, 08:14 AM

I can understand the teacher's method by trying to relate to the students but the teacher is meant to grade the student's work on the assignment, not grade the student at a personal level. It's not the worst thing to be written but the fact is, it shouldn't be there to begin with. I suppose the argument that can be made is if you write "great" when a student gets a high mark, then it's fitting to write an appropriate text-based comment for a lower mark. I think something like "try harder" or even "see me" is more appropriate because if the kid is getting a low mark, insulting the kid probably won't help him/her get a higher mark because he/she looks down on themselves. I guess the teacher is trying to relate to the students by using their lingo but really, the teacher should be the adult in the situation and not resort to childish endevours to relate to the students. If this is the only way the teacher can, then that's a sign of poor teaching and poor teacher-student relation.
   
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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 14th 2010, 12:50 PM

I laughed. Obviously I don't know the full story or what it is like to be in his class but I'd laugh if a teacher wrote that on my work... Especially if I'd got 20%... but me and my teachers take the mick out of each other all the time.


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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 14th 2010, 01:24 PM

Did anyone else notice it actually says -20%?
This is the part I think is wrong, the teacher gave him -20% because he is a loser.
It isn't like the pupil did the paper and only got 20% so the teacher called him a loser, the teacher marked him down to a negative percent BECAUSE he is a "loser".

In my school if you do badly the teacher will jokingly take the p*** out of you and I don't find that too bad.
I just think marking him down to a negative grade because of a judgement isn't fair.

Can anyone tell me how old the child was?
It says 6th grade but I don't know what that is in age because I am not American.
   
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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 14th 2010, 02:53 PM

6th grade is about Year 7 in UK terms, or the beginning of Key Stage 3.

To be honest, jokey or otherwise it does seem like a pretty stupid thing to write as a marking comment. By all means teachers should be able to and comfortable with joking around and engaging in banter with their pupils - it can help encourage kids to speak out and boost their confidence, and can make the whole learning experience a bit less intimidating. At the same time, you've got to use a bit of common sense with the whole thing - the fact that the teacher has drawn attention for alleged bullying doesn't seem to suggest that's been the case here.
   
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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 14th 2010, 04:09 PM

Calling your student a "loser" in my opinion is NOT a good teaching tool. Discouraging the student will make them give CRAPPY work because they won't want to try! Students who are struggling need support, not statements that make them feel like they're worthless!

In America most 6th grade students are between 11 and 12, but sometimes are 10 (rare).


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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 14th 2010, 05:57 PM

They are teachers, they are supposed to help students and teach them duhhh. They shouldn't be bringing them down and writing loser on their papers.
Honestly, if I was that student and a teacher wrote that on my paper I would give up all together.
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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 14th 2010, 07:15 PM

I think kids need to suck it up. Seriously, I don't think that it is that big of a deal. It isn't bullying, it is pushing them to try harder. If someone gave me that, I would push myself to do better so I didn't get that again.
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Did anyone else notice it actually says -20%?
This is the part I think is wrong, the teacher gave him -20% because he is a loser.
It isn't like the pupil did the paper and only got 20% so the teacher called him a loser, the teacher marked him down to a negative percent BECAUSE he is a "loser".
I'm sure it more likely means 'you only scored 20% because you're a loser' not 'you scored over 20% percents but I'm knocking you down a grade because you're a loser'

Now my opinion? Oh well, he'll live, if not then god help him, seriously... Do people realise that these days teachers can't do ANYTHING to reinforce discipline in the class room, so perhaps people have to find new things to do, and this could be one of those things? It's only a word, but I'm sure it would encourage people to work harder, it isn't bullying, in fact it could just be friendly banter, who knows what the relationship is between the teacher and the boy? Seriously people, worst things have happened, this is just so insignificant I can't believe it even made it into some form of media...
   
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I'm sure it more likely means 'you only scored 20% because you're a loser' not 'you scored over 20% percents but I'm knocking you down a grade because you're a loser'
but it says NEGATIVE 20%
I don't get how the pupil would have got negative 20% so I am assuming the teacher knocked his grade down to a negative number.
   
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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 14th 2010, 07:27 PM

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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 14th 2010, 07:36 PM

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maybe it was just a joke?
I don't think it was a joke. Because on yahoo there was a video that said the girl had been taunting and bullying the girl. He had been repeatedly writing loser on her papers and also purposly getting her in trouble with other teachers. Even if it was a joke, it's completely inapproriate for a sixth grade girl to have to hear that from her teacher. I mean seriously, the teacher is pretty much just a big bully.

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but it says NEGATIVE 20%
I don't get how the pupil would have got negative 20% so I am assuming the teacher knocked his grade down to a negative number.
I really don't think it's supposed to perceived is a minus symbol, just a dash...
   
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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 14th 2010, 08:01 PM

I think I'd oppose the notion of the kid in question and his parents being overprotective if in fact it is a minus 20%. I never noticed that the first time but looking at it now, -20% for that, assuming it was ontime and no other penalties, just graded on the work, then I'd say that is unacceptable. If it's just a dash that is rather oddly placed, then I'd be less forgiving and say that the kid should live with it and the teacher should perhaps do a bit less. If the teacher is indeed bullying the kid or affecting his interactions with other teachers, then that to me is a whole other issue if it was not all done by writing "loser" on the kid's test. I wouldn't consider it bullying if it was just writing "loser" because the "loser" seems to be tacked onto having a low grade (assuming it's a dash and not a minus sign).
   
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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 14th 2010, 08:12 PM

I don't really see how a teacher calling a student a loser is appropriate in any way. Teachers are supposed to be setting a good example to the students not behaving in a childish, immature way like this. Also, if a teacher needs to call a student loser to "reinforce discipline" as keady puts it, I think that is quite awful. I think it's ok to joke around in class etc but this isn't the same and it is unecessary really. All it does is send the message to other kids that it's ok to call people a loser or other things like that. Teachers are not there to judge the kids or ridicule them or anything like that, they are there to TEACH and writing loser on a paper is not teaching.


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I really don't think it's supposed to perceived is a minus symbol, just a dash...
It seems like a really oddly placed dash to me.
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It seems like a really oddly placed dash to me.
If it is just a dash then it isn't as big of a deal but if it has been marked negatively for no reason other than the kid being a loser then I do think that is bullying.
Depending on the consequences I think the teacher has gone too far. Some tests may have it so that you can lose marks, thus get into the negatives. Or there might be a teacher-pupil relationship where it could be a joke.

If not than the minus sign definitely shouldn't be there and the teacher should get a warning. I still think the loser thing means nothing though.
   
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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 14th 2010, 08:26 PM

Another problem I have with this, that I didn't mention before, is that the comment is saying, "You got this grade because you are a loser." Or at least that's how I read it. FOR being a loser is completely unfair (regardless if the comment was appropriate or not).


   
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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 15th 2010, 05:49 AM

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It seems like a really oddly placed dash to me.
If it is just a dash then it isn't as big of a deal but if it has been marked negatively for no reason other than the kid being a loser then I do think that is bullying.
That seems unlikely to me; I would guess that the -20% is simply part of the grade the student would have received anyway based on their work. The "for being a loser" is probably meant either in emphasis or in jest.

That said, I have two feelings about this: one I think many people have an unreasonable knee-jerk reaction to things like this. Personally, I'd laugh if one of my professors did that, and I would have laughed if one of my teachers had done it in high school. And in fact I can think of a couple truly excellent teachers in my high school years that did things just like this. Often relating to students, and being judiciously a little silly, can help make students feel more comfortable in the classroom; as long as the teacher is careful to only play such jokes with students that will be able to appreciate them, I think it's fine.

However, everything above only applies to older students. From the article though, this was a sixth-grade teacher. I think that's much less acceptable. Twelfth grade is fine, ninth grade would be pushing it but probably okay, but sixth grade is far too young. At that age students just generally don't see teachers as people yet, and even if the teacher is doing it to joke around, the joke's going to be entirely missed. For younger students, teachers are still very much authority figures, which unfortunately means that something like this is bullying, even if it was meant well.


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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 15th 2010, 05:58 AM

This is just ridiculous. Teenagers get enough harassment from some of their peers at school, their not supposed to be getting harassed by the teachers as well. To me it's ridiculous that a teacher who would do that would even be working at the school to begin with...





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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 15th 2010, 01:14 PM

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I don't think it was a joke. Because on yahoo there was a video that said the girl had been taunting and bullying the girl. He had been repeatedly writing loser on her papers and also purposly getting her in trouble with other teachers. Even if it was a joke, it's completely inapproriate for a sixth grade girl to have to hear that from her teacher. I mean seriously, the teacher is pretty much just a big bully.

Oh and here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v1EjZ0XegI
oh right, i thought this was just a one off thing. if that was the case then it could be taken as a joke but if it's happening regularly and the girl is getting picked on then that's not acceptable. i think sometimes teachers way over step the boundaries though, it's a difficult one.


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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 15th 2010, 04:26 PM

I think it depends how the child reacted. If the teacher says he does it all the time in a sarcastic/joking way and the child is ok with it then I don't see the problem. I can see why a parent would be upset by it, but unless the child is upset by it the parent doesn't really need to do anything.


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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 15th 2010, 04:32 PM

They are going to have to do a lot of investigating on this issue. I think that the teacher should be fired though.



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Re: Teacher writes "Loser'' on Student's paper - March 15th 2010, 06:09 PM

I don't see how anyone can be saying kids are overprotected? If this were a 16-17 year old kid, that's one thing, but a sixth grader isn't old enough to be expected to take it as a joke. They need to be encouraged and able to feel like school is a safe environment. How could they possibly raise their grades if they can't even feel comfortable and safe at school?

And honestly, if a teacher did that to me, I would probably give up. It wouldn't push me to do better, it'd push me to just say "fuck it" and quit. Though I guess I'm just one of those weak ones that needs to be weeded out from the 'good' students because I have self-esteem issues, right? Makes sense.

Seriously though, teacher needs to be fired. It's just not appropriate at all what he did.


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