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Harry Potter actress 'almost killed' by dad, bro for dating Hindu - July 3rd 2010, 08:43 PM

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LOS ANGELES: Father and brother of actress Afshan Azad, who starred in 'Harry Potter', have been charged with threatening to kill her. The 22-year-old actress was cast as Padma Patil, a classmate of the child wizard in the film series.

The actress' father Abdul Azad, 54, and her 28-year-old brother Ashraf are alleged to have threatened her at her home in Manchester, England. Ashraf is also accused of assaulting his sister.

Afshan was allegedly attacked because her family, who are Muslim, did not approve of her relationship with a Hindu man, according to a spokesman for the Crown Prosecution Service, People magazine reported.

Afshan first appeared as her character — the identical twin sister of Parvati Patil — in 'Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire', the fourth film in the wizard series. She will also be seen in 'Harry Potter And The Deathly Hallows', the final film in the saga.

According to the Daily Express, they assaulted her when she refused to cut off relations with her Hindu boyfriend. The paper said the two men allegedly confronted her in her bedroom and the assault left her "badly bruised".
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Re: Harry Potter actress 'almost killed' by dad, bro for dating Hindu - July 3rd 2010, 11:26 PM

Lucky escape for her to be honest!


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Re: Harry Potter actress 'almost killed' by dad, bro for dating Hindu - July 3rd 2010, 11:51 PM

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Re: Harry Potter actress 'almost killed' by dad, bro for dating Hindu - July 4th 2010, 02:12 AM

Very lucky escape, as Rachel said. It's not a good thing, but I'm actually kinda glad her family reacted like that? Because she is an actress, it draws more attention to domestic dispute and violence, which doesn't get enough attention. I hope she's okay though.


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Re: Harry Potter actress 'almost killed' by dad, bro for dating Hindu - July 4th 2010, 03:00 AM

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Re: Harry Potter actress 'almost killed' by dad, bro for dating Hindu - July 4th 2010, 03:39 AM

I'm a little confused as to how it is a "lucky escape". I don't think there is anything lucky about being beaten and abused. And whilst it may shed a light on domestic violence, I'm pretty sure that it will only lead to more discrimination against Muslims. Which is exactly what the world doesn't need.

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It's a lucky escape for her that that's all they did. Some Muslim men - and please don't take me as racist just for saying this; I'm talking about extremists here - may have seen it as their duty to kill their daughter for dating a Hindu. I'm glad this has been so publicised, it shows that it happens even over here in the UK


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I was, Islam is fucked up, there is no nice way of putting it.

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It appears you don't know that much about Asian communities, this is defintley getting off lightly and it IS lucky that someone interviened and it is very rare that the case actually got to court. So yeah, I'd say she's is a pretty good situation right now because what could have happened and what reguarly does happen is a lot worse.
It's not culture, it's religion. It is also probable that it only went to court because she is famous.

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I was, Islam is fucked up, there is no nice way of putting it
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This sparked from different religions, but regardless of religions the same reactions and opinions would be present throughout the Asian community. Hence 'Asian community' not 'religion'..


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It merely wished not to imply that every Muslim in the world would attempt to kill their daughter for dating a Hindu man as I personally know a couple of very nice, gentle Musilms who wouldn't do anything of the sort. That and my mothers old boss was a Muslim woman with a Hindu husband.


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Your experience of Islam was not positive. This does not mean that Islam is 'fucked up'. To those that understand it correctly and follow the reglion correctly it is a beautiful religion.. I hate that this is rarely acknowledged because of a very small minority of extremists and people like you.




This sparked from different religions, but regardless of religions the same reactions and opinions would be present throughout the Asian community. Hence 'Asian community' not 'religion'..
Fair enough, I did overboard there but I stand by the fact that it's not as tolerant as many other religions. Don't forget that Islam is the justification used by these extremists, if their faith in Allah, or any other part of Koran could be questioned then there'd be fewer extremists. I'm not saying that Islam itself is extremist but the faith provides justification to them.
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I agree completely. I know it's going off on a slight tangent, but when Salman Rushdie released Midnight's Children, his fellow Muslims said that whoeve killed him would automaticly be allowed into heaven. Added to which, there are a couple of Muslim countries who use their religion as an excuse to abuse women (gang raping a woman for a crime her male relative commited, marrying girls off at the age of 9 etc) and I'm a diehard femenist. I have a pretty low opinion of Islam.


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Re: Harry Potter actress 'almost killed' by dad, bro for dating Hindu - July 4th 2010, 06:21 PM

Islamic is a very intolerant religion. The world would be a better place without religion, when I come to think of it. Hope she's ok, but it's also a good thing, because it gives more publicity to domestic violence etc.
   
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It's a lucky escape for her that that's all they did. Some Muslim men - and please don't take me as racist just for saying this; I'm talking about extremists here - may have seen it as their duty to kill their daughter for dating a Hindu. I'm glad this has been so publicised, it shows that it happens even over here in the UK
I do realise their point, but my point is that there is nothing lucky about being abused like that. It is something horrible and tragic. Saying she is lucky is basically implying that she should be grateful for what happened, since it wasn't any worse. And no woman should ever have to feel lucky for "just" being abused.



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Re: Harry Potter actress 'almost killed' by dad, bro for dating Hindu - July 4th 2010, 11:53 PM

^ that's not what lucky escape means though. It means lucky to escape with nothing worse happening, which she was, not that what happened didn't mean anything. Maybe it means different things in the UK and where youare.

Can't say anything on the Islam topic, I'll get too angry, but nice to know people are able to judge an entire religion on the action of a select few. Great!


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^ that's not what lucky escape means though. It means lucky to escape with nothing worse happening, which she was, not that what happened didn't mean anything. Maybe it means different things in the UK and where youare.

Can't say anything on the Islam topic, I'll get too angry, but nice to know people are able to judge an entire religion on the action of a select few. Great!
Unfortunately, with Islam, it's not exactly 'a select few'.. there's actually a rather large amount of people like this. There's at least 3 families just in my town like that..
   
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Unfortunately, with Islam, it's not exactly 'a select few'.. there's actually a rather large amount of people like this. There's at least 3 families just in my town like that..
I do actually know a fair amount about Islam.

3 families in your personal experience is defintley enough to slate the whole religion on though

I can name over 50 who are loving, generous and deeply religious.

Ah I can't be drawn into this anymore. It actually really pisses me off when people refuse to look past the media publications. Yes, the culture of 'honor killings' is present and terrible but this does not reflect the entire community or religion, religious figures are standing up against this. 99.99999999% of the religious community opposes any kind of terrorist involvment. It is unfair to tarnish the entire group of people because of the actions of a minority. It is unfair to assume that just because some people following Islam behave in terrible ways, all of them do. It makes me sick to my stomach that women that choose to wear veils experience bullying because of it, or god forbid people trying to 'save them from their oppression' -- no they're not being oppressed, many of them in England choose to do so because it's a bloody fashion statement! You should see the ones some of my friends wear to college, I've never seen so much embroidery!

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Yes Asian families in general do tend to be stricter than other nationalities. I don't think this is always a bad thing, it's simply a different culture. I have plenty of white friends whose parents are just as strict. Beatings and honor killings and forced marriages are present, but they are NOT the norm, and the vast majority of the religious community work AGAINST such things (and it is improving over time but as with everything it will take time). Domestic violence is hardly abscent from white communities either, or christian communities, or jewish communities.

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Re: Harry Potter actress 'almost killed' by dad, bro for dating Hindu - July 5th 2010, 04:39 AM

Let's take the Religion debate to the Religion forum, that's what it's for after all.

I do have to say this though, well Islam may have extremists, Christianity does do. Actually all religions have their extremists, let's try to remember that before we judge a whole religion based on the actions of a dozen odd people.


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I do have to say this though, well Islam may have extremists, Christianity does do. Actually all religions have their extremists, let's try to remember that before we judge a whole religion based on the actions of a dozen odd people.
That's very high handed of you, not what you said but the paragraph structure. The first one forbids us members from talking about it, but the second one gives your opinion which, from the first paragraph we cannot question (just like religious faith )

Much as religion belongs in the religion section it is an integral part of this story, nobody is pretending the violence has nothing to do with religion. If you wish to forbid talking about religion then close the topic.

It is true all religions have extremist buts there must be something wrong with the religion itself when someone can use it as an excuse to commit such acts. 9/11 happened in the name of Islam, the Birmingham pub bombings in the name of Catholicism.

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The first two examples you used cited a person and what would happen to them. As you rightfully said it's not considered okay (itself vaguely defined). A comparable one for Islam would be "You're a Muslim? You'll grow up to be a suicide bomber" which is not okay. There is a difference between religious people and religion itself .


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Except I'm not basing it on 3 families. I'm basing it on those 3 families, plus all the families my friends know, and all the things you hear about on the news. The entire culture of Islam seems very unaccepting of other cultures.
   
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Every single religion has extremists who believe they're doing the right thing by hurting or killing their own family members when they go against the wishes of their family (ergo, the beliefs of the faith as well). While I agree that this is awful, I also agree with Casey that this will help to draw more attention to the problem.


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That's very high handed of you, not what you said but the paragraph structure. The first one forbids us members from talking about it, but the second one gives your opinion which, from the first paragraph we cannot question (just like religious faith )


I was not actually debating. I was making a point, that we should look past our personal beliefs of a religion, and not make judges based on our limited knowledge of the world. You can debate here, but let's not fight over which religion is right, or call another culture wrong. It maybe different than our lives, but it is not our place to judge.


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