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Prostitution becoming more legal in Ontario - October 14th 2010, 03:52 AM

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Re: Prostitution becoming more legal in Ontario - October 14th 2010, 04:06 AM

its legal here in newzeland. i think its sad that someone sells themself for money. but i guess as long as they are looked after, as in made sure that they do not get into trouble from the people who "borrow" (cnt think of a nice word) them.

so i guess its one of those things that will happen legal or not.


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Re: Prostitution becoming more legal in Ontario - October 14th 2010, 04:39 AM

I strongly disagree with the act of prostitution, I personally think it is quite disgusting, also rather sad that people feel the need to earn money that way - they must have a pretty horrible life...but in turn I don't see why it should be illegal, its one of those things that will always happen...and there shouldnt really be any reason why it shouldn't happen. Its not rape, its consensual...and to be honest I don't really see the difference between being paid for sex, and having sex with someone you meet first time, and they loan you money for something else.
   
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Re: Prostitution becoming more legal in Ontario - October 14th 2010, 05:15 AM

dont see nothing wrong with it...
   
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Re: Prostitution becoming more legal in Ontario - October 14th 2010, 05:54 AM

There's no reason why prostitution shouldn't be legalized. If women are allowed to be in pornography, which is a very profitable business, then women should be allowed to sell themselves for sex. Legalization of prostitution will foster regulation -- and this will better the lives of prostitutes who work in bad working conditions by decreasing their chances of getting sexually assaulted or contracting STD's. If you don't support prostitution, then by default, you also don't support abortion, or women independence. Legalized prostitution has been proven to be successful in many parts of the world, including certain parts US such as the legendary "Bunny Ranch" in Las Vegas, Nevada. Good for Canada, eh.
   
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Re: Prostitution becoming more legal in Ontario - October 14th 2010, 10:28 AM

It's a good thing (y)

Prostitution should be legal over here, I won't personally use the service, but it will make the whole thing safer in general, and provide more jobs for women (and men for that matter) and will help the economy greatly (y)
   
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Re: Prostitution becoming more legal in Ontario - October 14th 2010, 02:10 PM

Good good. I don't see anything wrong with it myself :/ I personally wouldn't do it but it's their life and their body, they should do what they want. Also, if porn is legal prostitution should be too.


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Re: Prostitution becoming more legal in Ontario - October 14th 2010, 02:36 PM

Well I am pretty much in aggrement with with everyone else. Personally I don't agree with prositution ( or porn for that matter) but it is called the 2nd oldest profession for a reason. So since it will exist anyway, make it legal and have controls in place for the "workers", and may reduce the spread of infections as well.

It would be interesting to see, in the countries that have made it legal, if there was a reduction in sex related crimes.
   
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Re: Prostitution becoming more legal in Ontario - October 14th 2010, 02:55 PM

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Well I am pretty much in aggrement with with everyone else. Personally I don't agree with prositution ( or porn for that matter) but it is called the 2nd oldest profession for a reason. So since it will exist anyway, make it legal and have controls in place for the "workers", and may reduce the spread of infections as well.

It would be interesting to see, in the countries that have made it legal, if there was a reduction in sex related crimes.
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Re: Prostitution becoming more legal in Ontario - October 16th 2010, 03:54 AM

I disagree with making it legal, it is immoral and a crime for a good reason. We need to crack down on it and have the buyer and "sellers" jailed for their felony.


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Re: Prostitution becoming more legal in Ontario - October 16th 2010, 06:30 AM

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I disagree with making it legal, it is immoral and a crime for a good reason. We need to crack down on it and have the buyer and "sellers" jailed for their felony.
Is it really a crime...I mean the sex is consensual, neither person is forced into it. I mean its very very unsafe, so maybe it should be decriminalised, so its not illegal...but its not encouraged, as legal does make it sound like it is encouraged. But it would be hard to make it illegal, as people will always do it, at least make it legal but put strict rules on it, like for example where prostitutes are and are not allowed to 'meet their clients' I guess.
   
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Re: Prostitution becoming more legal in Ontario - October 16th 2010, 07:46 AM

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Re: Prostitution becoming more legal in Ontario - October 16th 2010, 11:28 AM

I don't really care. Legal or illegal, dosent have an effect on me either way.


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Re: Prostitution becoming more legal in Ontario - October 16th 2010, 02:01 PM

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It's got nothing to do with morals. A man's morality would decay when he intentionally rapes a woman. But if a man goes out of his way, puts himself at risk of getting caught by the police, to pay for consensual sex, then I'd like to think that was a moral act. Prostitution has been around since the 18th century, possibly longer. If we're decaying, we've been decaying for a looooooooooong time.
   
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It's got nothing to do with morals. A man's morality would decay when he intentionally rapes a woman. But if a man goes out of his way, puts himself at risk of getting caught by the police, to pay for consensual sex, then I'd like to think that was a moral act. Prostitution has been around since the 18th century, possibly longer. If we're decaying, we've been decaying for a looooooooooong time.
Oh hell, prostitution has been around forever ever since civilization started...it was made illegal for a reason by modern civilization, and now we are just going back to our primal self and...have more sex.


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Oh hell, prostitution has been around forever ever since civilization started...it was made illegal for a reason by modern civilization, and now we are just going back to our primal self and...have more sex.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Are you saying that primal self, our biological desires, are immoral? Basically, it's immoral to be a human being?

Prostitution isn't completely illegal, like the example I made on the Bunny Ranch. It's just illegal in certain, maybe most, parts of the world. So if it's illegal in some, maybe most, countries, and you claim that prostitution is illegal for a reason, then what's the reason for legalizing it?

And what's the difference between one night stands and prostitution? The only difference is that one is for profit while the other one is for experience. And if you think about it, if you go on a date with someone and you pay for dinner and it leads into having awkward sex, ideally...you're paying to have sex (and I'm willing to go out on a limb that if you have sex on the same night, you probably won't go back on a date). So why is it that those cases are acceptable and quite common, but prostitution is not? It's because of morals. And the government shouldn't enforce certain morals. It should be you whether you decide your opinion on prostitution. If you don't like prostitutes, you just simply don't buy them. If you regulate prostitution, you probably won't see them much on the streets, and you probably won't see people having sex in their cars in public either. The best thing to do for prostitution is to legalize it. Keeping it illegal has obviously not gotten rid of prostitution, and will probably never get rid of prostitution just like making abortions illegal won't get rid of abortions. It'll just make abortions more dangerous for both the mother and the baby. So there's really no legitimate reason why prostitution shouldn't be legalized. Just because you think it's wrong isn't really a good enough excuse if you look at the pro's and the con's.
   
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And what's the difference between one night stands and prostitution? The only difference is that one is for profit while the other one is for experience. And if you think about it, if you go on a date with someone and you pay for dinner and it leads into having awkward sex, ideally...you're paying to have sex (and I'm willing to go out on a limb that if you have sex on the same night, you probably won't go back on a date).
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I would be all agape at the incoherency of this statement, but Brandon pretty much covered it. This doesn't radically change the place of prostitution in Canada; just makes it safer for prostitutes. I would hope that no one objects to that.


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Re: Prostitution becoming more legal in Ontario - October 17th 2010, 08:17 PM

I'm neither for or against it. It's going to happen anyway, and has been going on for centuries. Making it legal would probably make it safer, and if it raised the age of prostitutes, so that children under 18 could not be prostitutes, then I have no problem with it.


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Re: Prostitution becoming more legal in Ontario - October 18th 2010, 12:36 AM

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I would be all agape at the incoherency of this statement, but Brandon pretty much covered it. This doesn't radically change the place of prostitution in Canada; just makes it safer for prostitutes. I would hope that no one objects to that.
Why should prostitution be allowed in the first place? If the government really wish to eradicate prostitution, I believe it is possible. Why makes prostitution safe while we could eradicate it?

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Re: Prostitution becoming more legal in Ontario - October 18th 2010, 12:43 AM

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Is it really a crime...I mean the sex is consensual, neither person is forced into it. I mean its very very unsafe, so maybe it should be decriminalised, so its not illegal...but its not encouraged, as legal does make it sound like it is encouraged. But it would be hard to make it illegal, as people will always do it, at least make it legal but put strict rules on it, like for example where prostitutes are and are not allowed to 'meet their clients' I guess.

The real issue isn't the act itself, but what it leads to. Why do we ban speeding, it can't hurt anyone, but it leads to more wrecks.


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Except that there is a huge difference between speeding and prostitution.

When you speed, you are putting others at risk. You could crash into a tree and that would be your own fault, but if you crash into another car, you could hurt or kill people who weren't speeding.

With prostitution, both parties agree to sex and agree to the possible consequences of that. They know what they are getting themselves into. Unless it's sexual assault or rape which are both illegal, so it's not the same.

Basically, when you speed, the other people on the road don't consent to you speeding. When you have sex, both people consent to it.



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Except that there is a huge difference between speeding and prostitution.

When you speed, you are putting others at risk. You could crash into a tree and that would be your own fault, but if you crash into another car, you could hurt or kill people who weren't speeding.

With prostitution, both parties agree to sex and agree to the possible consequences of that. They know what they are getting themselves into. Unless it's sexual assault or rape which are both illegal, so it's not the same.

Basically, when you speed, the other people on the road don't consent to you speeding. When you have sex, both people consent to it.
What about people that are close immediate to those two people? If your spouse/husband went to a prostitute, how do you feel? If prostitution is simply a money-trading business without repercussion from the law, it would no longer discourage people who wants to "cheat" but deterred by the legal side of it. Suddenly, everyone thinks prostitution is accepted in our society and weaken the bond of families. What I am suggesting is that our social framework could be erode from this.


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What about people that are close immediate to those two people? If your spouse/husband went to a prostitute, how do you feel? If prostitution is simply a money-trading business without repercussion from the law, it would no longer discourage people who wants to "cheat" but deterred by the legal side of it. Suddenly, everyone thinks prostitution is accepted in our society and weaken the bond of families. What I am suggesting is that our social framework could be erode from this.
I'm sorry, you think that prostitution being legal is going to make more people cheat on their partners? That's just ridiculous. If people want to cheat, they will find someone to cheat with. They can pick up someone random in a bar or have an affair with a friend or coworker. Prostitution being illegal certainly doesn't discourage people from cheating. And really, how is it the government's job to stop people from cheating on their partners?



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I'm sorry, you think that prostitution being legal is going to make more people cheat on their partners? That's just ridiculous. If people want to cheat, they will find someone to cheat with. They can pick up someone random in a bar or have an affair with a friend or coworker. Prostitution being illegal certainly doesn't discourage people from cheating. And really, how is it the government's job to stop people from cheating on their partners?
I honestly think so. Excuse me for my inferior intelligence then.

And as I said before, I believe the structure of the society will be weaken if this is to happen. I think the government has a responsibility to see to that it doesn't happen.

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Why should prostitution be allowed in the first place? If the government really wish to eradicate prostitution, I believe it is possible. Why makes prostitution safe while we could eradicate it?

Then again, I am an incoherent retard according to you both, so, I am just going to let that be. I am a retard. A fucking retard.
First and foremost, don't blow things out of proportion. Surely you understand the difference between disagreements and harassment. No one, or at least me, called you a retard. Just because I disagree with you doesn't make you a retard, nor does it make me smart. So let's get back to the real issue here...

Why hasn't the government eradicated drugs? Because the government can't stop people from doing drugs. People will always find ways to get their hands on drugs. It's near impossible to eradicate drugs, just like it's near impossible to eradicate prostitution. As long as sex is high in demand, people will pay money to have it, and some people will do anything for that money. The government can't "eradicate" prostitutes, but they can enforce laws. To wish that prostitutes were eradicated, it seems to me that you're in support of the Holocaust. I don't like Jews, gypsies, or homosexuals, so let's just eradicate them...that'll solve the problem! No, that's definitely wrong. Still, it doesn't make you a retard.

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What about people that are close immediate to those two people? If your spouse/husband went to a prostitute, how do you feel? If prostitution is simply a money-trading business without repercussion from the law, it would no longer discourage people who wants to "cheat" but deterred by the legal side of it. Suddenly, everyone thinks prostitution is accepted in our society and weaken the bond of families. What I am suggesting is that our social framework could be erode from this.
Don't forget that prostitutes aren't the only ones that men/women cheat on their spouses with. Men and women have cheated with a variety of people for a long time. Cheating with a prostitute is just a small fraction. Legalizing will not support cheating, it will support making a choice, which is part of the reason why the US government was created. Just like video games, or pornography, or prostitution, it's not those that are responsible for making people's choices, PEOPLE are responsible for making people's choices. So what your presenting is a weak argument also.

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The real issue isn't the act itself, but what it leads to. Why do we ban speeding, it can't hurt anyone, but it leads to more wrecks.
Speeding can cause accidents, and innocent bystanders (or bydrivers ) could be hurt, with prostitution there are only ever 2 parties involved and both agree to doing it, no one is involved who doesn't want to be involved...if it makes sense. They should know the consequences.


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Except that there is a huge difference between speeding and prostitution.
When you speed, you are putting others at risk. You could crash into a tree and that would be your own fault, but if you crash into another car, you could hurt or kill people who weren't speeding.
With prostitution, both parties agree to sex and agree to the possible consequences of that. They know what they are getting themselves into. Unless it's sexual assault or rape which are both illegal, so it's not the same.
Basically, when you speed, the other people on the road don't consent to you speeding. When you have sex, both people consent to it.
Shimmering Faerie I think put it better than me, but we both mean the same thing
   
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Re: Prostitution becoming more legal in Ontario - October 19th 2010, 06:11 PM

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What about people that are close immediate to those two people? If your spouse/husband went to a prostitute, how do you feel? If prostitution is simply a money-trading business without repercussion from the law, it would no longer discourage people who wants to "cheat" but deterred by the legal side of it. Suddenly, everyone thinks prostitution is accepted in our society and weaken the bond of families. What I am suggesting is that our social framework could be erode from this.
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I honestly think so. Excuse me for my inferior intelligence then.

And as I said before, I believe the structure of the society will be weaken if this is to happen. I think the government has a responsibility to see to that it doesn't happen.

Then again, I am a retard. Don't mind me.
Would you run out and cheat on your significant other if it is was legal? Do you run out and buy cigarettes, lotto, and alcohol because it is legal to do so? Some people may, but people have a surprising amount of self-respect or self control.

Your response to her makes no sense and you don't attempt to explain your point. You immediately act like he or she is attacking your intelligence.

It is a lot harder to control people.

I would like specifics as to what prostitution leads to.
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Re: Prostitution becoming more legal in Ontario - October 20th 2010, 05:54 AM

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If your spouse/husband went to a prostitute, how do you feel?
Lol just thinking about it, if my partner left me for a prostitute...i'd somehow find it funny because when for example a guy cheats on you, isnt he meant to find someone worthwhile and someone who they can actually have a relationship with :P Anyway, I really dont think that legalising prostitution will increase cheating rates..If men are unhappy with their sex life, they would have done something about it already.
   
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