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Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 15th 2010, 08:08 PM

What do you think?

EDIT: I think a scenario might be useful to debate. Let's have two.

One: The man was attacked without provokation.
Two: The man provoked the attack.

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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 15th 2010, 08:17 PM

deffinatley not , my dad has hit me before it hurts so much, its wrong and a man should not hit a woman, no one should hit anyone.



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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 15th 2010, 08:18 PM

Um, no? Where's the debate? Likewise, a woman should never hit a man.
   
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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 15th 2010, 08:18 PM

one.if the woman gets physical with a man and she starts the fight he should be able to defend himself...
two. depends what you mean by provoked i seen girls get provoked over nothing more then a man answer yes to the "do these pants make my butt look big" question.... so depends on what kind of provoking


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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 15th 2010, 08:19 PM

No one should be hitting anyone.
   
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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 15th 2010, 08:21 PM

It depends on the woman. Some women are very capable of defending themselves (AKA whip my ass), and if that woman intentionally punches me in the face and I'm not knocked out, I will retaliate. But if she's small and frustrated with you and decides wailing at your stomach and such, I will use brute force to restrain her, but I won't hit her. So it depends on how capable the woman is of defending herself and her intentions of hitting me.
   
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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 15th 2010, 08:28 PM

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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 15th 2010, 08:34 PM

No way! And a women should never hit a man(unless it's in self defense to get away from something or someone trying to hurt her)


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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 15th 2010, 08:36 PM

You're practically avoiding the question. Do you think it is reasonable for a man to hit a woman in one of the scenarios pictured above?

If you were actually hit you are definitely not going to be thinking "ooh, but nobody should be hitting anyone, we should all love each other and not have confrontations!". You'd either hit them back, or walk away calmly and alert the police or something.
   
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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 15th 2010, 09:00 PM

If someone hit me I wouldn't hit them back because it's not worth losing my job over.

But obviously people should be allowed to defend themselves, regardless of if they are male or female.
   
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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 15th 2010, 09:27 PM

No, but a woman shouldn't hit a man. If someone needs to use self defense, then that's a different story.


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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 15th 2010, 09:27 PM

i have been hit before quite a few times by my dad and attacked by him in other forms. i didnt hit back, i froze usually you are to scared and just freeze. No. no man should hit a woman and no one should hit anyone.
hitting people is wrong and can really hurt . i am scared of my dad.



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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 15th 2010, 09:36 PM

One is a straightforward self-defence scenario, and in that instance the use of reasonable force (note the emphasis on reasonable) is justified, man or woman. It would be nice to say "we shouldn't need to use violence", but unfortunately real life does not work like that. Hence why I took up Jiu-Jitsu.

Two is a situation where violence cannot be justified, regardless of the gender of the perpetrator. My take is that violence/force is only to be used if you yourself are in danger of violence being used against you, and then only as much as necessary. I know how to break someone's arm (and other body parts I'm afraid to admit) but I hope never to have to do so and would only ever use that as a last resort.


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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 15th 2010, 10:03 PM

I also think that in self-defense, it's okay. I mean, in my opinion, it would be ridiculous if a girl and a guy got in a fight, regardless of who started it, the girl started attacking the guy, and the guy couldn't do anything about it.

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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 15th 2010, 10:08 PM

no never. and like others have said a woman said never hit a guy. Like if any of you have heard or seen the episode of Teen Mom where Amber hit Gary and almost threw him down the stairs. It is so wrong and Amber should never have touched him.


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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 15th 2010, 10:12 PM

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I heard about that. You know what the problem is? Nobody called the police for 2 weeks afte the episode. Nobody considered it domestic abuse because it wasn't a man hitting a woman, it was the other way around. Even though it's actually 67% Women who commit domestic abuse against their children. It's pretty sad actually. That shouldn't have even be broadcast, she should have just been locked up.
   
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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 16th 2010, 01:01 AM

In self defense or in the defense of another person, sure why not. I mean let's be realistic here people we are never going to live in a world where people don't hit people no matter their gender. If some crazy girl was coming after me with a weapon or something I'd find it perfectly acceptable for my father or brother to hit her in order to protect me. And if a woman was beating a man, what do we expect the man to just let himself be beaten? That's just stupid.


Also to be more realistic, there are times when a woman asks to be hit, I mean if a girl wants rough sex and the guy's willing to participate who are we to tell him not to.


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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 16th 2010, 01:23 AM

No, a man's stronger. But, on the same note - I don't think girls should slap guys repeatedly when they're angry because that's one sided (well, as long the guy does what we're supposed to and not react back (which is why sometimes it's really awkward)). A girl that's a criminal on the other hand, like being taken in by the cops? Force if necessary. But, other than that - no. Kind of goes (don't call me a sexist) that guys are usually stronger than girls - a slap from a girl is like a rubber band snap (no experience), but a punch from a guy would probably hurt them a lot more than that. Just depends on the situation and only in situations where absolutely needed - basically she's gone femme fatale psycho.


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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 16th 2010, 06:43 AM

No, a man should never hit a woman intending to hurt her for no reason, likewise a woman should never hit a man. I dont have any good reasons why or why not...i just dont think either should...its nasty.
   
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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 16th 2010, 07:41 AM

If that said woman threatened my family, myself, my loved ones, or insulted my race, I will not hold back.

Also, read the first part of this article: http://www.cracked.com/article_18760...rent-true.html It explains pretty well that unlike how culturally depicted, women are NOT always at danger of men's aggressiveness, and on the contary.


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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 16th 2010, 08:39 AM

This is a tough question because I can see the reasons behind everyone elses opinions but in my own personal opinion, a man should never hit a woman, period. I know you're talking about all these different situations that they could find themselves in which may lead to that but regardless of whether you're a man or a woman, using force doesn't ever solve anything and the majority of the time it only makes things worse for both parties involved.





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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 16th 2010, 08:55 AM

If a women (Not my fiance) hit me to hurt me, yes, I would definitely hit them back. I dont give an eff if she's a women. She hit me to hurt me. I will hit her to stop her threat. Otherwise no. And I will never hit my fiance. Even if she comes at me with a knife..


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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 16th 2010, 08:55 AM

Words sometimes can't solve everything. There is one time during forth of july a woman told me to "Go back to China". I threaten her with just enough force to shut her up and allow my fellow friends and family enjoy the firework without anymore racist remarks from her, or anyone for that matter.


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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 16th 2010, 10:00 AM

You don't ever hit a woman,there is no debate.
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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 16th 2010, 10:03 AM

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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 16th 2010, 11:15 AM

This thread.... I mean it's making me so frustrated. Do most of you live in this magical world where no one is violent? There are times when hitting someone is not only acceptable but necessary. That's a fact of the real world. If some guy is attacking me and I have the opportunity to hit them and it would give me enough time to get away, not only is it ok for me to do it, but I SHOULD do it. The same thing goes for a guy protecting himself or someone else. Or would you rather they shoot them or something?


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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 16th 2010, 11:19 AM

No one should hit anyone unless its in self defence.


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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 16th 2010, 12:20 PM

I don't agree with violence in general. The only time I agree with violence at all is self-defence. If a woman hits a man and he hits her in self-defence then I see nothing wrong with that.

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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 16th 2010, 01:21 PM

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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 16th 2010, 01:31 PM

Will anyone saying violence is the wrong answer and no one should be violent, please step outside into the magical land of ponies and fairytales. Thank you.

That being said, force should be met with equal force. In a case like this I probably wouldn't make a decision until she actually hit me, but it'd take a lot to hit her back.

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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 16th 2010, 05:16 PM

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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 16th 2010, 05:25 PM

I feel like there is just double standards. >_>
Some women are absolutely crazy. Yet they have the right to hit a man?
I know someone who is in jail now, because of domestic violence to her husband.
For either sex, it's just WRONG

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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 16th 2010, 08:35 PM

Let's pretend we're not in this realm of no violence and get back to the real world.

I'm not a fan of violence but if needed, it should happen. If a man is being attacked, then he should defend himself even if it is a woman. I don't mean to say that if a woman gives a dull slap on his shoulder, he should punch her face in and toss her down the stairs. Instead, try to get the woman to stop attacking but if she won't, then you have to do more. Unfortunately, the man probably would be ridiculed or even hated by other women and men, whereas the attacking women, not so much because of this silly double-standard. I've seen female students at campus slapping a boyfriend's (or ex) arms over and over yet nobody hopped in to stop it. However, when a man begins doing that, other people will hop in and stop the man, often by force.

If I had a woman attacking me and causing a fair bit of damage, such as hard punches and kicks, I'm not going to curl up and say "nobody should hit each other". I'm going to try and stop her, even if that means punching her on the nose, flipping her onto the ground or putting her into some standing joint locks, where the more she struggles, the more she hurts herself. I would do only as much is needed and fast enough because of the silly double-standard, so it shows I'm not beating her up, I'm defending myself.

If a man goes up and starts beating up a random woman who never provoked him, that's something that is cowardly and there's no reason to do such a thing. Even if it's a woman attacking a man, woman attacking woman or man attacking man.


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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 16th 2010, 08:58 PM

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Let's pretend we're not in this realm of no violence and get back to the real world.

I'm not a fan of violence but if needed, it should happen. If a man is being attacked, then he should defend himself even if it is a woman. I don't mean to say that if a woman gives a dull slap on his shoulder, he should punch her face in and toss her down the stairs. Instead, try to get the woman to stop attacking but if she won't, then you have to do more. Unfortunately, the man probably would be ridiculed or even hated by other women and men, whereas the attacking women, not so much because of this silly double-standard. I've seen female students at campus slapping a boyfriend's (or ex) arms over and over yet nobody hopped in to stop it. However, when a man begins doing that, other people will hop in and stop the man, often by force.

If I had a woman attacking me and causing a fair bit of damage, such as hard punches and kicks, I'm not going to curl up and say "nobody should hit each other". I'm going to try and stop her, even if that means punching her on the nose, flipping her onto the ground or putting her into some standing joint locks, where the more she struggles, the more she hurts herself. I would do only as much is needed and fast enough because of the silly double-standard, so it shows I'm not beating her up, I'm defending myself.

If a man goes up and starts beating up a random woman who never provoked him, that's something that is cowardly and there's no reason to do such a thing. Even if it's a woman attacking a man, woman attacking woman or man attacking man.
That's pretty much my opinion. People need to stop doing this double-standard, really stupid.
   
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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 17th 2010, 01:18 PM

I was working security in the downtown east core and a female meth addict came running at me with a needle.

I kicked her in the kneecap and disarmed her and she kept struggling (people on meth can keep going and going) and I repeatedly kneed her in the side because I felt my life was threatened.

But domestic violence and such is a no unless your wife comes running at you with a knife.

Also, it goes both ways, a woman shouldn't hit a man vice versa
   
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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 17th 2010, 02:53 PM

No, guys shouldn't hit a girl unless it's self defense. But I'm not going to say definite never, that's just not fair. I mean, girls can be abusive too.



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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 17th 2010, 03:34 PM

Personally, I think gender has nothing to do with it. People shouldn't hit other people except in self-defense.


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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 17th 2010, 04:46 PM

I think if a man is being hit by a woman he has the right to defend himself. I think the person defending themself should only use as much force as necessary. Hopefully they can restrain them in a way that makes it impossible for them to continue hurting them without doing a lot of damage.

I don't think anyone should be hitting anyone but in the end if someone is really wailing on another person that person should have the right to protect themselves. I mean, when someone is mad (man or woman) they can cause a lot of damage and if a man is in fear for his life then he should be able to stop it.

That episode of Teen mom was mentioned and Amber was really hurting him. . In that case I think Gary had a right to restrain her arms and get her to stop. He didn't but was that because he was being a 'proper' man or was it because he was too scared to fight back?


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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 17th 2010, 07:45 PM

I grew up in the settings of domestic abuse along with child abuse. Both involving men. So, I believe that hitting women, children, OR MEN, is wrong. There is no excuse for it at all. If someone comes at you with a fight ready to happen, you should walk away and call the police. Do not fight back. It'll make things a lot worse and you'll be the better person by calling someone.
   
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Re: Should a man ever hit a woman? - October 17th 2010, 07:50 PM

Hitting is bad. But if a man refuses to hit a women, no matter the circumstance, he's sexist We're not all fragile little weaklings incapable of defending ourselves. I honestly hate the expression "My mother told me never to hit a girl"

What, she never told you not to hit a guy either? Or are girls just so small you might break their tiny little bones?


On a side note, I agree with some of the stuff that was said before when it comes to self defense. I'm sorry, but if someone is trying to hurt me I'm not going to sit there and take it, and I'm not going to run away crying. I'm going to *gasp* defend myself! Legally, if the person hits you three times, it's self defense. So if I get in a little trouble of defending myself after some crazy person starts wailing on me, I'm getting a good lawyer



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