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Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 1st 2010, 05:04 PM

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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 1st 2010, 05:09 PM

Such an overreaction.

When I was a kid we had toy guns in the class toy collection
   
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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 1st 2010, 05:12 PM

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Such an overreaction.

When I was a kid we had toy guns in the class toy collection
It's beyond an overreaction lol. Shouldn't have been punished in anyway. Don't even know why there IS a rule against toy guns.

And yeah, we used to have something like that too lol. And we were allowed to bring in whatever toys we wanted, as long as the teacher kept them in a box during lessons. Great times eh? All gone now :L
   
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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 1st 2010, 07:09 PM

Ridiculous seriously can't people tell the difference between a toy gun with the little orange thing in the and a real one. I think you can do more harm with a pencil than a toy gun.


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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 1st 2010, 07:52 PM

no diffferent then a school expelling someone for dyed hair or a piercings... school doesnt want people to have the impression there teaching a bunch of hood rats and want to be gangster trash
   
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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 1st 2010, 07:56 PM

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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 1st 2010, 07:59 PM

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I know right? I mean, if I was walking down the street, and I see a child with a toy gun, I'd be scared for the neighborhood! What has this country come to where we allow children to play with toy guns? Gangster youth I tell you!
   
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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 1st 2010, 08:13 PM

There was another thread on this here a while ago and it didn't specifically say Florida in the title. But just by reading the brief description in the thread I knew if was Florida. The Florida school system is ridiculous. Besides the fact that the education itself is crap, the school boards are insane. I think this is the same school board that just didn't allow a high school production of "To Kill a Mockingbird" to go on because they got wind of the n word being in it. That should show you the stupidity of this state.


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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 1st 2010, 08:43 PM

I agree with no gun policy toy or not. that kind of act is strictly forbidden and should be dealt with. However his age is extremely young whether or not his story to the police is real he shouldn't have been expelled. Perhaps a long suspension nothing more then 2 mouths I think a 1 mouth should be enough. Now that poor kid is 2 years behind in his actual schooling. He’s got a lot of work to get done before he can catch up.

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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 2nd 2010, 12:20 AM

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I know right? I mean, if I was walking down the street, and I see a child with a toy gun, I'd be scared for the neighborhood! What has this country come to where we allow children to play with toy guns? Gangster youth I tell you!
i see no difference.... no matter age if its okay to expel or suspend students for how they dress then they should be allowed to be expelled or suspended for what they play with...
   
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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 2nd 2010, 12:36 AM

It is a zero tolerance policy - at least we know they're enforcing it.


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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 2nd 2010, 12:51 AM

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It is a zero tolerance policy - at least we know they're enforcing it.

Thats true. However I don't like the idea of putting the poor kid 2 years behind.
   
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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 2nd 2010, 06:02 AM

I have a good deal of fake guns, of course I would never bring one to school, but they all look extremely real, I once was interrogated by the police while filming an amateur movie because the actors were walking around with fake assault rifles and hand guns... must have looked quite real, especially with the big set up of lights, props, and camera crew. Anyway mine look real, his was clear, this is an obvious overextension of the school's paranoia.


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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 2nd 2010, 06:41 AM

They could kill someone with one of those things! THey're dangerous!
Oh wait, they're not.
But they might make the children violent!
Oh wait, they don't.

What's wrong with them again?
   
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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 2nd 2010, 11:42 AM

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What's wrong with them again?
I guess its the meaning behind a weapon. A lot of parents aren't comfortable with the children playing with toy guns even though they are harmless it is more meaningful to some people then others..
   
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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 2nd 2010, 05:07 PM

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Who cares? Why are we so afraid of offending other people these days? Young boys will play with guns, its just in their nature. Personally, I think that any parent who's offended by that needs to actually learn to toughen up. At that rate, a gust of wind will blow them away.
   
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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 2nd 2010, 08:11 PM

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Who cares? Why are we so afraid of offending other people these days? Young boys will play with guns, its just in their nature. Personally, I think that any parent who's offended by that needs to actually learn to toughen up. At that rate, a gust of wind will blow them away.

Fair enough although I feel guns give off a distorted image and can possibly warp the mines of youth these days. Guns have been the key factor in a lot of deaths.
   
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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 2nd 2010, 08:23 PM

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Fair enough although I feel guns give off a distorted image and can possibly warp the mines of youth these days. Guns have been the key factor in a lot of deaths.
Playing with toy guns does not make children think guns are okay. When they play with them, the idea is that "BAM I SHOT THE ALIEN" not that "YAY I JUST SHOT A MOTHER AND HER CHILDREN." Guns have been playthings for decades. Why does everyone think that youth today are so much mentally weaker/susceptible than generations before?
   
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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 2nd 2010, 08:55 PM

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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 2nd 2010, 08:56 PM

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He was 7 years old.

Age doesn't really mean anything these days. Especially in inner city schools, or really anyhwere where kids are brought up by gang members, it's not unrealistic to start looking out for weapons in an elementary school.

Right now, I'm interning at an inner city elementary school. Half of my class have problems with anger management. They've threatened to hit and kick me, they throw desks around, they throw their fists up in the air with no reservation, and they cuss worse than sailors. How old are they? 7 and 8.
So yes, if my kids come in with a fake gun, I'll probably send them up to the office and mention expulsion. It -is- against school policy; not to mention that these kids are already way too violent and allowing something that encourages it is just NOT a good idea, even if it is fake.


Why didn't the parents check to see what kinds of toys the kid was bringing to school? Toys of any kind shouldn't even be allowed in school (other than the class set many younger grades have) - you're not there to play, you're there to learn.
Let's take another angle: The kid shoots this toy gun and the beads hit someone in the eye. What do you do then?

It's a zero tolerance policy, plain and simple. At least they -are- enforcing the rules...


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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 2nd 2010, 09:03 PM

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Fair enough although I feel guns give off a distorted image and can possibly warp the mines of youth these days. Guns have been the key factor in a lot of deaths.
Guns haved not, and never will be the key factor in any death! People do not get a gun. And say "Oh a gun, guess I should go kill someone", they want to kill someone and then get a gun to do it with. People are the key factor in death, not the tool. We don't blame knives as the key factor in someone's deatj, it's just a tool that has been misused.


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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 2nd 2010, 09:57 PM

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Playing with toy guns does not make children think guns are okay. When they play with them, the idea is that "BAM I SHOT THE ALIEN" not that "YAY I JUST SHOT A MOTHER AND HER CHILDREN." Guns have been playthings for decades. Why does everyone think that youth today are so much mentally weaker/susceptible than generations before?

In the past they were in fact I played with toy guns when I was a little guy. Keep in mind today society I hear about one shooting a week at least. Guns are a huge issue in both America and Canada.
   
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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 3rd 2010, 04:46 AM

School are more about enforcing shitty ass rules than actual education. It's all about exercising their power!
   
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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 3rd 2010, 04:56 AM

They have a zero tolerance policy for a reason. Yes it was a toy, and yes he was seven, but they offered the alternate school, and if the parents weren't so snobby they would have accepted it, or tried harder at homeschooling him. At risk kids doesn't mean they are bad, they are just more likely to drop out, at least here, and it would have taught him something about life, probably. Here, we have water guns on campus and the girls I know carry pocket knifes on their hips when they leave campus, because part of this city isn't really that safe. Most of it isn't. But in public schools, not universities, it's against the rules to have any form of weapon, toy or not, at school, and for good reasons. So I see nothing wrong with a zero tolerance policy. Also, the kid can go to any private school he wants, if his parents will pay for it. Private schools will accept those expelled by public schools.


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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 3rd 2010, 07:02 AM

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They have a zero tolerance policy for a reason. Yes it was a toy, and yes he was seven, but they offered the alternate school, and if the parents weren't so snobby they would have accepted it, or tried harder at homeschooling him. At risk kids doesn't mean they are bad, they are just more likely to drop out, at least here, and it would have taught him something about life, probably. Here, we have water guns on campus and the girls I know carry pocket knifes on their hips when they leave campus, because part of this city isn't really that safe. Most of it isn't. But in public schools, not universities, it's against the rules to have any form of weapon, toy or not, at school, and for good reasons. So I see nothing wrong with a zero tolerance policy. Also, the kid can go to any private school he wants, if his parents will pay for it. Private schools will accept those expelled by public schools.
You consider a toy gun a weapon? That's strange, I probably should have been arrested for walking down the street with one. After all, they're dangerous things eh?

Christ, you realise its a zero tolerance policy towards WEAPONS right? And you consider a toy gun a weapon? And then think that its the PARENTS that are in the wrong here?
   
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Teaching safety and responsibility is education, and used much more in daily life than something like algebra.
Your 100% correct. School teaches principles along with academics. Youth today should be disciplined accordingly, over all I do not think any kind of guns should enter a school unless held by a police officer.
   
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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 4th 2010, 11:32 PM

I think this is bullshit, regardless of whatever others think. It's not even a real gun. It's an overreaction. So there's gun crime on the rise... so shittin' hell, they are now gona ban toy guns? Kids are still gona see it on TV, hear about it in the news. It's not gona stop ANYTHING that way, just gona be fucking disruptive for anyone caught up in it.

The school ain't interested in teaching, they just wanted to use this poor kid as a fucking example and boast about how clean and nice their school is with their rules. You probably get a week's suspension everytime u fart and cough in there.


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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 5th 2010, 12:31 AM

Today I went to the market and saw a little kid around 7 years old with a toy gun like a cowboy gun "shooting" at things and just having fun he even pointed the gun at me and I just kinda put my hand like I had a gun and pointed too, just normal fun. The thought of it being something dangerous didn't cross my mind, I just saw a little boy been a little boy.


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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 5th 2010, 02:31 AM

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Today I went to the market and saw a little kid around 7 years old with a toy gun like a cowboy gun "shooting" at things and just having fun he even pointed the gun at me and I just kinda put my hand like I had a gun and pointed too, just normal fun. The thought of it being something dangerous didn't cross my mind, I just saw a little boy been a little boy.
Granted, although this little boy wasn't attending school. When have you ever seen students allowed to bring toy guns to school? This isn't allowed and never has been. Guns are guns they kill animals and people. I was a little boy once too I played with toy guns but I knew what they were capable of which turned me on.

Don't miss understand my view they are fine to play with at home or with your friends not at school. Schools have to look after every student and there personal backgrounds.

Should that boy have been expelled, I don't think so but they probably have set guidelines from the ministry of education where they are from. That principle was instructed to make that call, it wasn't a personal choice I don't think.
   
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Re: Toy Gun Leads To Florida Boy's Expulsion - December 5th 2010, 02:54 AM

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Granted, although this little boy wasn't attending school. When have you ever seen students allowed to bring toy guns to school? This isn't allowed and never has been. Guns are guns they kill animals and people. I was a little boy once too I played with toy guns but I knew what they were capable of which turned me on.

Don't miss understand my view they are fine to play with at home or with your friends not at school. Schools have to look after every student and there personal backgrounds.

Should that boy have been expelled, I don't think so but they probably have set guidelines from the ministry of education where they are from. That principle was instructed to make that call, it wasn't a personal choice I don't think.
my school never allowed guns toy or not i got introuble myself for bringing one of those plastic guns you get out of gumball machines..

but during a different time and age...
my dads school when he was a kid would let them bring in real guns during hunting season if they bought a new rifle or shotgun and wanted to show it off or if they were going hunting right after school.... then again there wasnt as much crime or violence back in the 60's-70's and they actually used guns what they were for to hunt... also they were allowed to carry pocket knives around school most boys had one....
   
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When have you ever seen students allowed to bring toy guns to school?
I remember my elementary school allowed us to bring a toy from home for the "share and tell time" I'm pretty sure boys bought their toy guns to school...


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