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Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 9th 2011, 12:34 AM

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According to this article, the AIDS services in the Monadnock region of New Hampshire was banned from the local high school after handing out "sex kits" at a presentation on safe sex and AIDS prevention. Parents were outraged at the contents of the kits, which included condoms, flavored lube, and two mints per kit. The founder of the AIDS service insisted it was only part of teaching proper protection. The principal and school officials had been under the impression only condoms were being handed out, and immediately made the service providers stop when they learned of the nature of the kits.

My question is: do you think that the AIDS service was out of line and does it deserve such a back lash from the incident?

Personally, I am all for safe sex education, and I do think that condoms should be handed out in schools as a part of it. However, I must say that I agree with the parents on this one. I think handing out flavored lubricant and breath mints in a safe sex kit goes from the boundaries of teaching kids proper protection to encouraging them to have sex. What do other people think?



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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 9th 2011, 12:36 AM

i dont agree with the parents or teachers reactio.... but.... umm.. what were the breathmints for ?
   
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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 9th 2011, 12:40 AM

Well.. it probably is a bit far, but I've been handed out lube before along with condoms and I didn't mind *shifty look*. I don't think kids who weren't previously having sex would be like 'ooh flavoured lube and breath mints, better go have oral' it seems more aimed at kids who are already having sex. It's admittedly nothing to do with safe sex, but also seems a bit hypocritical of the parents (you can have sex, just don't enjoy it :P)
   
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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 9th 2011, 12:48 AM

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i dont agree with the parents or teachers reactio.... but.... umm.. what were the breathmints for ?
Making sure you don't taste bad when you kiss. Or possibly for negging girls.

OK, I'm not sure that the mints are absolutely necessary, but handing out condoms in schools is an absolute no-brainer if you want to encourage safe sex. Lube is a bit less obvious, but I can see why they're doing it. Given that anal sex is the riskiest vector for AIDS, and unlubricated anal sex can cause tears that allow AIDS to be spread far more easily, there's a good sexual health reason to hand it out. Especially when good Christian girls are sacrificing their anal integrity to keep their technical virginity.



   
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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 9th 2011, 01:00 AM

Okay, I don't get the breathmints thing... I assume that the breathmint company is a sponsor or something? Regardless, it seems like a strange thing to be concerned about.

Personally, I support the decision to include flavoured lubricant. Lubricant helps prevent condoms from breaking, which means that there aren't any accidents. I don't see how parents can complain about that. As for the fact that it was flavoured, I actually think that's a great choice. Most teenagers (actually, most people) don't use protection when they are having oral sex because they don't realise that there are STIs that can be transmitted orally. By giving them flavoured lubricant, surely that can only help encourage them to use condoms for oral sex as well?

If they had been handing out handcuffs or something with the kits, then I could understand the reaction. But lubricant is important and it seems silly to give kids condoms, but then not help them use them properly.



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By giving them flavoured lubricant, surely that can only help encourage them to use condoms for oral sex as well?
I can see your point, but lubricant isn't always used with a condom. Kids might see it as a way to have fun during oral but not necessarily use protection during it. Also, don't some condoms come pre-lubricated?

I do think flavored lubricant is overstepping the bounds a bit. I can see condoms, but I don't agree with the lube. I think Jordan worded my feelings perfectly:

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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 9th 2011, 03:30 AM

Yeah, I think it was okay. I don't why they gave out breathmints but whatever. It's not a big deal. And as for the lube I don't see why they gave out flavored kinds, but still whatever. As long as it's encouraging kids to be safe, people should't be complaining.


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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 9th 2011, 03:54 AM

I don't see a problem. My school has people come in once a week and if you've signed up for a C card you can go get free condoms and lube.

I don't think handing out lube is a problem either, I think some people are just a bit stuck up (is that the right phrase to use?) about these kinds of things and need to be more open minded
   
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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 9th 2011, 07:58 AM

I don't see how it's a problem? At my last college, one of the groups would have condoms and face masks, lube, etc, at a table during lunch for anyone who needed/wanted them. At my current Uni, the AIDS awareness group walks around campus handing people brown bags full of condoms and on my dorms kitchen table someone had placed a bowl of condoms. Granted, college not high school, but still. People will have sex if they want to, and encouraging them to be safe about it is not a bad thing. Also, giving students who aren't going to have sex won't make them any more likely to have sex. At all. If they don't want to do it, they won't.


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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 9th 2011, 08:21 AM

This is probably not the reasons why they added the stuff, but I'll list why I think they added what they added:

1. Condoms: Obviously to practice safe sex. If you want to reduce your risk of contracting an STD or getting pregnant, then you simply wear a condom to reduce the risks. That's a no-brainer.

2. For breath mints, I look at it like this...if I was given a breath mint for sexual intercourse, that would imply that women like men's breath to smell good during intercourse. So I think that giving breath mints would also help people practice more healthy habits (like brushing your teeth, flossing, using mints before kissing, etc.) That's just what I think.

3. As for the lube, I think they added the lube to let the young audience know that no one is perfect. Some women just can't naturally lubricate themselves and sex isn't always fantastic like it is on pornography where you just slide it in and she's already orgasming on public transportation.

But that's kind of thinking outside the box and I'm sure that's not the teenagers would use it for. Guys would probably be like "lube? ANAL SEX BABY!" and for women it'd be like "lube? Meh. I'll sell it to some pervert for some bra money."
   
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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 9th 2011, 08:40 AM

Something doesn't add up. The article said the school did give prior consent and later, the superintendent Craig said they knew kits were going to be distributed. However, one of the principals said he had no idea the kits were going to be distributed. There seems to be a lack of communication on the school administration part, which is not the fault of the AIDS services. At the end of the article, school board member Barlow said the school already covered AIDS in their sex ed class. If so, why did they bother to invite them previous years and continue to invite them?

If items will be handed out from a sex ed group, what do these parents and teachers expect will be given? Of course it's going to be sex-related and can be sex-enticing, even the condoms are sex-enticing. Do they think the group would hand out a lollypop and that's it, or perhaps hand out nothing for any protection after the group probably mentioned to have protection? Plenty of parents would be pissed off about that too. If the parents don't want outside groups teaching their kids about sex ed topics, then why would they allow the school to teach the same topics? How are condoms not "over the top" yet lube is?

These parents that objected seem like a bunch of idiots as are members from the school board and the schools. I think what should happen in spite of these issues of "controversial topics", is the school shouldn't teach any sex ed at all. Make it the parent's responsibility. Once the parents start bitching and whining, the school should respond with "hey, we tried, we even got in expert groups for this but you bitched up a storm and that same thing will happen if we try again because you're a bunch of up-tight idiots. Do it yourself." Perhaps paraphrase that in a more elegant way.


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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 9th 2011, 10:52 AM

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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 9th 2011, 12:43 PM

As with a lot of people on here, I'm just struggling to see why they needed to give out flavoured lube as opposed to non-flavoured. Breath mints also seems a bit of a weird thing to put in a "safe sex" kit, and perhaps not the most practical thing in that regard either. The communication issues are also a bit of a concern as WOW points out. That aside, I don't see the problem in promoting safe sex practices given how much more sexualised society seems to have become generally.


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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 9th 2011, 12:57 PM

Breath mints are THE BEST IDEA EVER. Morning breath problem completely solved. I want the UK to start putting breath mints in their kit things. I might suggest it.


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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 9th 2011, 01:00 PM

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Making sure you don't taste bad when you kiss. Or possibly for negging girls.

OK, I'm not sure that the mints are absolutely necessary, but handing out condoms in schools is an absolute no-brainer if you want to encourage safe sex. Lube is a bit less obvious, but I can see why they're doing it. Given that anal sex is the riskiest vector for AIDS, and unlubricated anal sex can cause tears that allow AIDS to be spread far more easily, there's a good sexual health reason to hand it out. Especially when good Christian girls are sacrificing their anal integrity to keep their technical virginity.
Also vaginal sex can need lube.
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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 9th 2011, 01:31 PM

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Fair point, but that could be easily solved by encouraging people to buy Tic Tacs or similar - they don't exactly break the bank. I guess it just doesn't strike me as something conducive to safe sex which would need bringing to their attention, unlike perhaps condoms or lube.


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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 9th 2011, 01:48 PM

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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 10th 2011, 07:09 AM

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Fair point, but that could be easily solved by encouraging people to buy Tic Tacs or similar - they don't exactly break the bank. I guess it just doesn't strike me as something conducive to safe sex which would need bringing to their attention, unlike perhaps condoms or lube.
I didn't think the candies were meant to be sex-related but more like when you go to a bank and they have a bowl of candies. After doing whatever paper work in the office with a banker, you take the forms and such you need and grab a few candies. Or if you go to a conference and are given sheets of information, then grab some candies at the end. At least that's what I got out of it, maybe there was meant to be alternative reasons for them being there.

For flavoured lube, they could've gone with non-flavoured but at the end of the day, I doubt it'd have changed the reactions of the parents. Lube is lube, whether it tastes like apples or unflavoured, it'd be considered sexually-enticing (shocking that sex-related items are given after a sex ed discussion). I don't think the condoms were the ones being blamed as sex-enticing, which doesn't make much sense when the lube is.


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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 12th 2011, 05:07 AM

Sex enticing products? Parents being up in arms about it and not being given the chance to opt out? America is a weird land. This whole opting out of sex ed in pubescent teens is a stupid concept. Parents aren't teaching the stuff at home (if they were, they wouldnt care about it being heard at school), so why should they be able to stop their kids hearing about it at school?

STIs are a big problem. Even AIDS/HIV, one of those things we've all heard of many times, is largely not known about by our youth. For example, quite a few people think we have a cure. During my time on TH, I've even seen someone who thought you got HIV when the body fluids of the same sex mix. Like a spontaneous creation, that was rare in straight people.

The more protection teens can get, the better.

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I didn't think the candies were meant to be sex-related but more like when you go to a bank and they have a bowl of candies. After doing whatever paper work in the office with a banker, you take the forms and such you need and grab a few candies. Or if you go to a conference and are given sheets of information, then grab some candies at the end. At least that's what I got out of it, maybe there was meant to be alternative reasons for them being there.
I'd agree.

As for flavoured lube. May I remind you all, it's a charity. It doesn't manufacture its own products. Chances are, it doesn't buy them either, rather they are donated. This stuff isn't cheap, and usually sexual health charities will take whatever good quality stuff they are offered. They aren't exactly going to reject it on the grounds its flavoured if it is decent lube. Also, have any of you actually tried flavoured lube? It generally doesnt taste that much better than normal lube, and sometimes is actually worse. It's not going to actually cause anyone to do anything that plain lube wouldn't. If they go have oral sex with it, chances are, they were already having oral sex. It's more likely they will try squirt it at each other during class, or do something stupid, like put it on door handles or something.

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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 12th 2011, 05:26 AM

" America, stop being so melodramatic, and get a grip."
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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 12th 2011, 07:14 PM

lol oh my goodness! If they were at a college it'd be okay, but breath mints and flavoured lube are a bit much for high school students.


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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 13th 2011, 06:44 PM

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If they had been handing out handcuffs or something with the kits, then I could understand the reaction.
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But yeah, that's ridiculous. We want to promote safe sex, but restrict it to what we hope will happen, not reality? Meh.


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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 13th 2011, 07:21 PM

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I agree. It's strage to me to see something like this because here it's not a big deal at all. If I just read this story without the details, I would already know it was American.

Where I go to school (for year 11 and 12 students) there is a bowl of condoms in the nurses office. They offer free pregnancy tests and every once and a while they offer free blood tests to check for sexual diseases.

At my old school (for year 7 - 10 students) we were given condoms in sex ed. We had these plastic bananas where you would unscrew the lid and there was a plastic penis inside. LOL. And we had to practice putting it on.

The whole lube thing... does it matter if it's flavored? As someone else said, it's probably donated. Besides, it's not like someone is going to be sitting around saying "Hey, so I know I said I didn't want to do it, but I'm really hungry for Strawberries right now. Wanna go?"

Same goes for the other stuff really. People aren't going to have sex just so they can give their new condom a 'test drive'. If they're going to do it they're going to do it. All you can do is make sure they're safe.


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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 14th 2011, 06:28 AM

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lol oh my goodness! If they were at a college it'd be okay, but breath mints and flavoured lube are a bit much for high school students.
Breath mints are basically candies, so how are candies too much for high-school students? I know plenty of people who must've been violating this by having Tic-Tacs.

The lube issue is kind of silly because flavoured or not, it's lube. Supposing it wasn't flavoured, would you think it would be more acceptable than flavoured lube? Why?


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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 14th 2011, 08:52 AM

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lol oh my goodness! If they were at a college it'd be okay, but breath mints and flavoured lube are a bit much for high school students.
I don't even know how to respond to this...

I don't see hows it's a bit much im sure most of knew what half the stuff was for in 4th grade.. So i don't see what the big deal is
   
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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 14th 2011, 12:21 PM

I found it kinda funny. It sounds a bit like something out of a comedy.

But I find the hypocricy of some parents astounding. They will go on an outrage over somethin like this, which is relatively small next so much shit kids can get exposed to on the internet and late night TV.


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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 16th 2011, 07:49 AM

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Breath mints are basically candies, so how are candies too much for high-school students? I know plenty of people who must've been violating this by having Tic-Tacs.

The lube issue is kind of silly because flavoured or not, it's lube. Supposing it wasn't flavoured, would you think it would be more acceptable than flavoured lube? Why?
Well, a high school's job is just to teach and provide what is necessary for safe sex. Anything more (flavoured lube, mints) seems to be kind of encouraging sex. Regular lube would be okay because it can make anal sex safer by preventing tears that make it easier to spread STIs.


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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 16th 2011, 07:56 AM

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I don't see hows it's a bit much im sure most of knew what half the stuff was for in 4th grade.. So i don't see what the big deal is
Yeah, it's not a huge thing. It just seems a little much to me. It's kind of making sex fun for the students. I mean, I'm married and I've never even used flavoured lube! lol


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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 16th 2011, 05:29 PM

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Well, a high school's job is just to teach and provide what is necessary for safe sex. Anything more (flavoured lube, mints) seems to be kind of encouraging sex. Regular lube would be okay because it can make anal sex safer by preventing tears that make it easier to spread STIs.
As charities usually get donated lube, or lower priced offers from lube companies, they don't get much choice in the lube they get.

So if the charity is getting their condoms and lube donated, what do you expect them to do about it? Is it better for them not to give any lube if they only have flavoured? Because most sexual health charities, particularly local as oppose to national ones, simply can't pick and choose.

BTW, I think someone said it, but I'll say it again anyway, HIV can be passed on by giving a guy oral sex (slightly chance with giving a girl oral, but much, much lower risk unless during menstration). And condoms don't taste very nice... maybe it's a way to encourage condoms during oral sex.

And as you've not used flavoured lube, I'd like to point out, flavoured lube does not taste that great. It would NOT encourage anyone to have oral sex who otherwise wouldn't want to. Like really. Be realistic.

Even now I'm sexually active, if I get hold of flavoured lube, I'm not more likely to go have oral sex. Most flavour lube I've used has simply been as lube, as it works as lube, and I've needed lube.
   
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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 16th 2011, 05:47 PM

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Yeah, it's not a huge thing. It just seems a little much to me. It's kind of making sex fun for the students. I mean, I'm married and I've never even used flavoured lube! lol
You really don't need to put much effort into making sex seem fun to students.

I seriously doubt there are any students out there who think sex would be completely boring, but are persuaded into doing it because they could use a snack or something.


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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 17th 2011, 07:19 AM

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Well, a high school's job is just to teach and provide what is necessary for safe sex. Anything more (flavoured lube, mints) seems to be kind of encouraging sex. Regular lube would be okay because it can make anal sex safer by preventing tears that make it easier to spread STIs.
I'm still not understanding how the mints encourage sex. Banks and other places give free candies and I've never found that sex-encouraging.

The lube could encourage sex but, given the fact the lube was given along with condoms and a guest lecture of safe sex, would the condom also be considered something that encourages sex?

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It's kind of making sex fun for the students.
I don't think students need a lot of encouragement to view sex as fun. Many already do view it as fun, which is one of the reasons why sex ed is put in place: there's a high chance the students will engage in sex because of their positive views on it. I'd be hard-pressed to find any students who without suffering from a relevant disorder or experienced trauma, would not find sex fun.

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I mean, I'm married and I've never even used flavoured lube! lol
I think your reasoning is, correct me if I'm wrong, since the lube is said to be flavoured, it will be more likely to be used in some oral fashion or seem more appealing. That's what I deduce from your posts. However, they don't have wonderful watermelon or grape tastes. Given that in mind, do you still think flavoured lube (which doesn't taste much better than normal lube, which you're more fine with) would be less sex-encouraging?


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Re: Safe sex kits cause outrage in NH - January 17th 2011, 09:33 AM

If you're not intelligent enough to practice safe sex unless a school gives you a "kit", or controlled enough to wait, and you get AIDS, it's just natures way of cleaning out the gene pool, and by God does it need a darn good cleaning.

And for the people who will say "But how will they learn?!?!?!?!?!?!" here's my suggestion!


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