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Increase NASA's Budget - July 3rd 2012, 03:14 PM

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NASA’s budget currently represents 0.5% of the US budget, and has been relatively unchanged for 25 years. PENNY4NASA is calling for NASA's budget to be increased to 1% of the US budget.

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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 3rd 2012, 05:24 PM

Something we can agree on, Michael. I think it's a disgrace that the US spends so little on NASA.
   
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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 3rd 2012, 07:05 PM

Considering recent events in my life, I think we'd have more in common than you assume. I've come out of denial on many topics that had slowly been evolving. However, I was resisting change.


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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 4th 2012, 01:44 AM

I'd say more than just NASA. The US needs to invest in its own future in all sorts of ways that it's current failing to. Invest in education, medicine, sciences, and social programs. No army is big enough to prevent a country from rotting at the roots.


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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 4th 2012, 12:58 PM

What crap is that?

Really? Are you serious?

Fuck healthcare, welfare, and foriegn aid.



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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 4th 2012, 04:26 PM

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While NASA is a great program, and I would more than hate to see it go, I think there are definitely more important things on our to-do list. Healthcare and welfare are vital to the wellbeing of our population. Want an example? Look at the Swedes. The government there pays for healthcare, has a functioning welfare system, and even pays for college. While their taxes are high, so are the gains of having such a system. These types of systems are investments. Investing in the people is what keeps a country running. They keep their population healthy and educated, and in return, they have a better Sweden.

I'm all for the advancement of sciences, and for claiming our stake in the last real frontier, but at a reasonable time. It's my view that we should secure our own nation and people before we look to expand our interests.


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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 4th 2012, 07:04 PM

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While NASA is a great program, and I would more than hate to see it go, I think there are definitely more important things on our to-do list. Healthcare and welfare are vital to the wellbeing of our population. Want an example? Look at the Swedes. The government there pays for healthcare, has a functioning welfare system, and even pays for college. While their taxes are high, so are the gains of having such a system. These types of systems are investments. Investing in the people is what keeps a country running. They keep their population healthy and educated, and in return, they have a better Sweden.

I'm all for the advancement of sciences, and for claiming our stake in the last real frontier, but at a reasonable time. It's my view that we should secure our own nation and people before we look to expand our interests.
You can do both at the same time. The current budget is insufficient even tripling it would not put any strain on the American people, as well as the fact that it has many advantages for the American people scientifically, economically, and in terms of morale.
   
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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 4th 2012, 09:14 PM

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I agree. Times are too tough to spend trillions on giving foreign aid to nations that hate our country (*cough, cough* Pakistan *uncough) and to encourage people to sit on their asses for $18,000 a year sucking up tax dollars that could be spent on designing a new Space Shuttle. Instead we should be increasing the budget of the US Military and NASA to help develop better and more efficient ways to get into space and to develop technologies to help us in other fields.
NASA can help bring this country's pride back and I completely agree that NASA's budget should be increased by a significant margin. But no, I do not believe we need to start paying for everyone to go to college. That's Socialism and I flat out don't believe in it, because eventually, the government is going to run out of other people's money....then we won't have money for NASA, public works, the Military, etc.
   
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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 4th 2012, 09:47 PM

The funny thing is, I don't disagree. Yeah. Pull our resources homeward. Leave those godforsaken pits to sort out their own problems. If it were my decision I would have our money split between having healthcare and education totally free, investing heavily programs like DARPA and military research, and NASA. Things like infrastructure, etc, would be mandated by the Federal government and carried out by the state. It's not SOCIALISM to pay for everyone's health and education. Socialism is an socio-economic theory where the entire concept of currency and economy is controlled by a government. Have you ever considered releasing yourself from the stigma associated with the term and looking into what it means?


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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 4th 2012, 10:42 PM

It may not be Socialism in its purest form, but its still an element of it, and a lot of people interpret it like that. My view is when you 'socialize' something, you may not have to pay for your medical care or education all by yourself but it is by no means 'free'.
On paper, its a great idea, but the problem is to give an example with the education, you're going to have plenty of kids who go into college, and FAIL. Then they drop out. How many thousands of taxpayer dollars were wasted on their education so they could go and fail? Another problem is, when you make it 'free' you cheapen its value. Professors may quit the public universities en masse and either retire or go to work at private institutions out of fear of having their salaries cut.
As noble and convenient as making everything free sounds, its still expensive and difficult to implement and there would be literally thousands of obstacles to overcome before such things would even become possible. Then, you'd have MILLIONS of Americans who would not want to be subjected to such taxes. If you ask me, it literally is more trouble than its worth, just my honest opinion.
   
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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 4th 2012, 11:52 PM

Your profile lists you as a Christian. It's funny how un-Christlike this sort of thinking is, isn't it? As if people dropping out and getting menial jobs doesn't happen now? The government paying for your schooling is in no way a guarantee that people won't drop out. It's a way to ensure that everyone gets a fair shot, which in reality is what the essence of America truly is. And why would any of those things happen? Just because the government is paying for it instead of the students doesn't mean that less money is given to these institutions. You do realize that most professors don't do the job for the money or glamor, right? It's more so for research purposes in most fields, and extra money in the others.

And sure, taxes would be higher, but you'd save the money you'd be paying to tuition or medical bills. It's more than a fair tradeoff.


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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 6th 2012, 06:32 AM

I'm gonna be the one here who says forget the military and NASA. Neither really needs more money, there are more important things to be done with our resources than space travel and "protection."


   
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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 6th 2012, 07:04 AM

I think that space travel is a good idea, and in the long term it would pay off, however as a society we don't focus on the long-term. Although in a thousand years we could live on mars, people are starving and dying right now.

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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 6th 2012, 07:35 AM

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I think that space travel is a good idea, and in the long term it would pay off, however as a society we don't focus on the long-term. Although in a thousand years we could live on mars, people are starving and dying right now.

It's a hard choice because if it never amounts to anything, it was all a waste of time and money that could be going to a goal that we know will work.

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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 6th 2012, 01:55 PM

To be honest, United State's taxes into the military is bizzare. We would eventually need to do this either ways, because we need to find inhabitable planets with resources, and figure out how to get there.
I would support the bill, though we'd lose out on morality on the short term. And we might indeed not find anything, it would take several light years alone to travel to a newly discovered planet (unless we found one near us). And if we do drop our military taxes, China might take our spot as #1 in military over the next few decades. It's already likely they will since their industry is growing at a faster rate then ours, though it might climax eventually. We have to be persistent on military taxes to stay number 1, I don't even know if it's a good thing or a bad thing.

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Yeah, exactly, we could live on Mars, cool, but at the same time people have needs right now.
That`s where it becomes a moral cluster****.

People need help now, and the money could easily go towards assisting the homeless, or people in general distress.

On the other hand, space travel may be our only viable plan for survival in the future. Earth is running out of space and resources. Humanity will die if we don't come up with something new, and as of right now our only long-term plan is space. If we wait until we're overcrowded and have no resources it will be too late for space travel. That's not even to say that our only hope in the future is the stars, we could very easily invent cars that run on pure vegetable oil, and then later on generators, and other appliances. This would be a viable future plan, but it's not a solution we can start working on right now.

I completely get both sides of the argument.

also, regarding your earlier post, to cut military funding would be beyond retarded. You do realize that without military countries would have no way to protect ourselves and each other, and offer aid to one another. You do realize that when a disaster happens, both nationally and internationally, the army are the first to respond, right? If terrorists knew a country had no army, why wouldn't they attack it? If there's no repercussion why wouldn't you just screw the defenseless?

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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 6th 2012, 04:02 PM

I don't think space exploration is limited to future benefits, but I think it would boost our current economic struggles and give us much needed morale. The problem is, people have lost vision.


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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 7th 2012, 07:46 AM

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On the other hand, space travel may be our only viable plan for survival in the future. Earth is running out of space and resources. Humanity will die if we don't come up with something new, and as of right now our only long-term plan is space. If we wait until we're overcrowded and have no resources it will be too late for space travel. That's not even to say that our only hope in the future is the stars, we could very easily invent cars that run on pure vegetable oil, and then later on generators, and other appliances. This would be a viable future plan, but it's not a solution we can start working on right now.
Or...

We could stop having too many children, stop taking up too many resources (you know, not having four houses, two cars, an iTouch, iPad, a Kindle, and two computers per person, along with eating a proper amount of meat rather than having it in 3 meals where we're just allowing more CO2 going in the air and more water wasted to produce food for the food we'll be eating), and actually use the planet how we should.

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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 7th 2012, 05:46 PM

The earth will expire eventually. Even with proper management.


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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 7th 2012, 07:26 PM

Exactly. Humanity is meant to expand, but eventually we will grow too big for our support, the Earth. Resources are being used far to fast to try conservation at this time. Either we think of a new fuel and energy, or else we head to space. Both are expensive.

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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 9th 2012, 06:23 AM

It's actually very possible to well atleast halt human population growth.

Harvesting is an unmoral way, it would eventually lead to government vs the people.
Or if the government sets a law, one baby per couple. If literally every couple in the world had just 1 baby the population would decrease by 2 and a bit over, considering deaths will be more frequent.
   
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Harvesting is an unmoral way, it would eventually lead to government vs the people.
Or if the government sets a law, one baby per couple. If literally every couple in the world had just 1 baby the population would decrease by 2 and a bit over, considering deaths will be more frequent.
As I've said, it's not number of people, it's quality of people.

You should look into Eugenics, we had some really good things going for us there, just imagine a human race free of disease, genetic illness, mental disorders, all living healthy lives, very little violence between people, a utopia! We have the power to make this happen, with Eugenics, we can move towards the next step of human evolution, we can become, ubermensch.


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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 9th 2012, 08:13 AM

No, the earth cannot last forever. So can't the human race. Why don't we just make our lives on Earth better now? I don't think that we should never look into colonization, but it shouldn't be used as the alternative to not just taking care of our earth and being better human beings.

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And Guile, I'd love to hear you talk more about eugenics, hear how much you really know about it, maybe get some actual articles about it, aaand maybe on another thread. Why don't you make the just Eugenics thread again rather than molding it with abortion and now NASA budget? I promise I'll participate if you do. I know you want to.


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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 11th 2012, 03:36 PM

Even though I'm not American I can see free healthcare as being much more important and the social aspects. Yes space may be important, but its not going to help sort out the domestic issues of the USA. Like teenagers who want and need therapy who can't afford it. The homeless on the streets who just need a place to stay and a chance to get back on their feet. All the Eastern European girls and women that have been traffiked there and have no way of getting out of their situation.

I think that yes, the US needs to change it's budget, but not in the way you are talking about - surely people are more important?




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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 11th 2012, 06:08 PM

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Re: Increase NASA's Budget - July 17th 2012, 11:37 AM

Billions of pounds, euros and dollars spent to find extraterrestrial bacteria. We have enough bacteria on Earth already.
























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