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Hell: We can't afford to get it wrong. - May 20th 2011, 02:49 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnrJV...layer_embedded

I'm posting this just for reference to some who may have questions on hell. I do not know whether this book will be theologically sound, however, one thing I know about Francis Chan is that he strives to be honest. He comes as someone who is learning, rather than some know-it-all preacher.


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Re: Hell: We can't afford to get it wrong. - May 20th 2011, 06:32 AM

If hell exists and non-believers really do go there, I wouldn't want to be elsewhere. Whatever heaven offers wouldn't be as good as an eternity with my friends, family, and Carl Sagan.


The atoms that make up you and me were born in the hearts of suns many times greater than ours and in time our atoms will return once again to reside amongst the stars. Life is but an idle dalliance of the cosmos, frail, and soon forgotten. We have been set adrift in an ocean whose tides we are only beginning to comprehend, and with that maturity has come the realization that we are, at least for now, alone. In that loneliness, it falls to us to shine as brightly as the stars from which we came.
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Re: Hell: We can't afford to get it wrong. - May 20th 2011, 07:07 AM

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If hell exists and non-believers really do go there, I wouldn't want to be elsewhere. Whatever heaven offers wouldn't be as good as an eternity with my friends, family, and Carl Sagan.
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If I am going to hell, might as well give Satan an impressive resume to look at.


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Re: Hell: We can't afford to get it wrong. - May 20th 2011, 08:42 AM

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If hell exists and non-believers really do go there, I wouldn't want to be elsewhere. Whatever heaven offers wouldn't be as good as an eternity with my friends, family, and Carl Sagan.
Agreed. Plus, in hell there are all the bad girls (hehe), I can work on my tan and have top-of-the-line BBQs. God damn I love me fresh grilled meat.


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Re: Hell: We can't afford to get it wrong. - May 20th 2011, 01:35 PM

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Agreed. Plus, in hell there are all the bad girls (hehe), I can work on my tan and have top-of-the-line BBQs. God damn I love me fresh grilled meat.
You'd be the grilled meat lol :P


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Re: Hell: We can't afford to get it wrong. - May 20th 2011, 04:13 PM

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If hell exists and non-believers really do go there, I wouldn't want to be elsewhere. Whatever heaven offers wouldn't be as good as an eternity with my friends, family, and Carl Sagan.
Much as I can appreciate and accept that reasoning, a thought: what if Hell, rather than being a place which is the opposite to Heaven, is in fact a state of isolation from God and/or all your loved ones? What you describe sounds more like Hades from Greek and Roman mythology, with a bit of hellfire and brimstone from medieval times thrown into the mix. What would your reaction be if it were not this but what I describe instead?

I'm not saying it's by any means a convincing counter to what you said, nor is it meant to be - as always, I'm just curious.


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Re: Hell: We can't afford to get it wrong. - May 21st 2011, 05:01 AM

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Much as I can appreciate and accept that reasoning, a thought: what if Hell, rather than being a place which is the opposite to Heaven, is in fact a state of isolation from God and/or all your loved ones? What you describe sounds more like Hades from Greek and Roman mythology, with a bit of hellfire and brimstone from medieval times thrown into the mix. What would your reaction be if it were not this but what I describe instead?

I'm not saying it's by any means a convincing counter to what you said, nor is it meant to be - as always, I'm just curious.
Isolation from god? Fantastic. Isolation from loved ones? Painful, but any god cruel enough to inflict an eternity of solitude on any conscious being is one that I categorically refuse to yield to. In this case if I were to choose heaven, it would only be for a better place from which to strike at such a god.

In short: If hell doesn't exist, it's a moot point. If hell exists but isn't torturous, I would probably prefer hell. If hell exists and is torturous, I would rather suffer than abandon morality. I'm sure exceptions to this could be found, but it generally summarizes my opinion on all the 'poopular' hells.

Even more generally: any god who would condemn a person for reaoning critically is not a god I would accept anyway. As such I have no reason to want to believe in a god even if he should happen to exist.


The atoms that make up you and me were born in the hearts of suns many times greater than ours and in time our atoms will return once again to reside amongst the stars. Life is but an idle dalliance of the cosmos, frail, and soon forgotten. We have been set adrift in an ocean whose tides we are only beginning to comprehend, and with that maturity has come the realization that we are, at least for now, alone. In that loneliness, it falls to us to shine as brightly as the stars from which we came.
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Re: Hell: We can't afford to get it wrong. - May 28th 2011, 02:49 AM

At least in hell I'd get to meet Stephen Hawking when he dies. Can heaven do that for me? I think not.
   
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