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(Ah always nice to get off to a good start in my eyes) Now im generaly a good guy at heart... I am loving and caring for others but will defend someone to the extent of breaking someone's teeth out if i truely had to... I live a fairly normal life which has never bothered my until i got to about 14 then i started thinking about where will i go when i die??? Now ive got most of the asame interests as most other 15 year old boys... • Cars • Violence • Comedy • girls (wink wink) But the problem is that everything i do makes me feel like i will burn for it... Now im a strong lad and not many people would dare hurt or even question fighting me but i still fear pain... I fell like every time ive got a kill on call of duty ive commited a crime... Every time i laugh at a rude joke that ive offended someone... This is eating up my brain and making my heart race every time people mention the end of the world as i think "oh crap ive sinned to much im never going to heaven"... I was christened as a baby and i do belive in a few things in the bible but there are times when i question its word... Can someone please tell me will i burn in hell for what i am like? Have i sinned or not? It makes me feel like crying this subject and i want someone to talk to who understands me... Thanks for taking the time to read my post im very greatful. Signed: Lord POOTIS McGraw. |
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May 21st 2011, 01:41 AM
Sin doesn't exist, sin is actually our human nature. Greed, Lust, Hate, Anger, Gluttony, Sloth are all something that makes us humans, trying to take that away just doesn't work. If heaven and hell do exist, I'd venture a guess that everyone that was ever born is in hell right now. Do anything you wan't so long as you don't hurt anyone, don't hold back and have a lot of fun, life is too short. Don't waste time worrying on what might or could be.
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Nice to see you here, friend. First, I give you my love, as a brother. I say this to let you know that I do care about your eternal destination, as I do with anyones. However, many times I tend to come of sarcastic (as I am), or rather rude. I often come off as a know-it-all, but I do not pretend to be. In fact, I am rather ignorant on all matters. So, please. If you are asking about the Christian God, test what I am about to say, study it, meditate on it. I cannot impress the seriousness of testing what I say, or anyone says, with scripture. I do not wish for you to be deceived, and I believe knowing where you're going is the most important question in this world that can be answered. My name is Michael, by the way. Let's start with this. This, is perhaps the most damning statement a person can give themselves. I do not doubt that you are perhaps "good" when you compare yourself to your own morality, but the reality is that when we are comparing ourselves biblically, none of us are good. In fact, Christ refused to call anyone who thought they were good people. He rebuked them. Owen, none of us are good. We are when we lower the standards of God, but not when we compare ourselves to the law. Any amount of stumbling is worthy of damnation because it's against a holy and just God. Yet the Bible doesn't just judge us by our actions. It judges us by our heart. Which when our heart is revealed fully, we see that we are only wicked, and continually so. I do not expect you to understand what I am saying, perhaps mentally, you will get it, and Lord willing, perhaps spiritually you will understand what I am saying. For me, what I am telling you, it took me about 2 years to understand completely, and yet I still don't understand it fully. First of all, this statement is damning because we are not going to enter Heaven based on our deeds, but on another's, Christ's. Thus it's not dependent on how good you are, but on how good Christ was, and is, and if He is sufficient enough to save those whom He calls His own, those who believe on Him. I ask that you read Romans 1-3 over, and over. Read it once a day, or a chapter a day, even, over and over, until you understand what Paul is saying. But friend, if there is anything that will damn you, it's the sin of self-righteousness. Because this sin keeps you from relying on Christ. Quote:
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You see, in the book of Acts, people before coming to Christ, were always convicted of their sin. Sin isn't something the natural mind understands. In fact, Christ constantly talked about people who hear or see of their sin, but do not understand or perceive their sin. There's a difference. People might think they may understand, or perceive it, but they only hear of it. It does not reach their heart. They do not realize the dreadfulness of it, unless by the Spirit. It's then that what they've heard their whole life actually makes sense. That they want to reform their actions. But BEWARE! Reforming your actions WILL NOT HELP YOU! In fact, it will only lead you to more damnation because you will become more self-righteous! Quote:
Please, understand, this belief, it's not a believing it happened. It's a trusting. You see, Christ told people who knew He existed to believe in Him. He wasn't saying, "Believe I exist." No! They already KNEW He existed. He was telling them to trust on Him. Trust on Him for salvation. Don't trust on anything you do, don't even trust your trusting, but trust Him and Him alone for salvation. You see, self-righteousness will not trust Him. It will think that you must repent, that you must have some certain amount of faith, all things which are good, but they will not save. Only Christ can save. Only His Gospel. Only His death, only His resurrection. He died for those who believe on Him. Who trust Him. So, if you trust Him, brother, you have God's guarantee that you will escape His wrath because He loves you and payed for your sins on the cross, furthermore that He bought you as a Son, and loves you as a Son. Quote:
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Please, don't believe these people who will tell you to repent. To be baptized, to take communion, or who tell you to have more faith. Don't trust these people who tell you to say a prayer. But lean on Christ alone, and you're saved. But if you're leaning on your morality, or anything you do to save you, friend, you will be eternally damned. "Daniel broke the kings decree, Peter stepped from the ship to the sea, there was hope for Job like a cut down tree... I hope that there's such hope for me... Blind as I've become, I used to wonder where you were. These days I can't find where You're not. Mine's been a yard carefully surface tended, foxes burrowed underground. Gardening so highly self-recommended, what could I have done but let You down? The sun and the moon, I want to see both worlds as one." -Aaron Weiss, mewithoutYou
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May 21st 2011, 05:15 AM
And here's the opposite viewpoint!
First: you are a good person. You may make mistakes, but the only truly bad people are the ones who don't care to be good. I know it's easy to be critical of yourself and see only the mistakes, but they are only a minority. If you love and care about the wellbeing of others, then you are a good person. Second: Humanity is only now beginning to understand the universe. There may be answers to the big matephysical questions about life, but if there are such answers are definitely not to be found in millenia-old myth. Rather than worry that your actions might offend an ancient, patriarchal perversion of morality, worry about what consequences your actions will have in the here and now. Judge for yourself whether your actions will help people or hurt them, and if you're unsure ask for guidance from people you trust. That is the road to being a good person. No myths, no prayer, no confession; simply a choice between kindness and cruelty. As a good person, you'll probably find it an easy choice to make.
The atoms that make up you and me were born in the hearts of suns many times greater than ours and in time our atoms will return once again to reside amongst the stars. Life is but an idle dalliance of the cosmos, frail, and soon forgotten. We have been set adrift in an ocean whose tides we are only beginning to comprehend, and with that maturity has come the realization that we are, at least for now, alone. In that loneliness, it falls to us to shine as brightly as the stars from which we came.
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May 21st 2011, 08:07 AM
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It's good you question the bible because that's how you will learn. You need not believe it at all but you still can learn. I personally don't place any value in the bible when it comes to the hocus-pocus fancy magic horseshit which I summarize as nonsense, however, it may have some historical relevance at certain parts of it. I still question the hocus-pocus fancy magic horseshit because it's a way to learn about one of the most common belief systems in the world and may provide a glimpse into history. You need not have the same motive for questioning the bible as I do, that's perfectly fine but feel free to question as it's a way to learn. Quote:
My view is hell and heaven are both fairy-tale places but the fact you're a good person, to me, means you won't suffer in any afterlife. The bible says we've all sinned, from birth we've sinned but my view is that's a perverted blood-thirsty, insecure, vain concept of a particular god's way of ruling the universe. Confessions may be good to get something off one's chest but doesn't serve any purpose beyond that. Prayers are a waste of time, it's mindless to kneel down before a wall and literally beg to the ceiling, hoping that an unjust god who has already planned your life will even care to change your life. If your life is set, then praying is a waste of time, rather if you want something, go do it as best you can. I believe all humans have varying degrees of irrationality, so it's a question of whether you're irrational like the average person or more irrational and delusional to the point of believing an ancient book holds the words of a god that has already decided whether to toss your in the oven or into his palace. Quote:
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May 21st 2011, 09:26 AM
I can see what you people are talking about and i thank you for your ideas but i do belice christ died for our sins and was resurected so ide have to listen to john on this subject.
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May 21st 2011, 10:21 AM
You don't have to listen to Michael, you don't have to listen to me either. You can take the points Michael makes and think about them but need not adhere to what he says. I'm not saying this out of dislike of him, rather just because he is a Christian does not mean you have to listen to what he says, you can change things around, listen to only parts he says or simply listen to what he says by-the-letter.
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May 21st 2011, 02:19 PM
your going to heaven. All thats completely normal for a 15 year old. At least your not like me, Im completely addicted to masterbating and I feel terrible every time I do it... but I dont think Im going to hell.
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May 21st 2011, 03:21 PM
No one can tell you whether or not you are going to Heaven or Hell. Sure, they think they have the power or the knowledge to tell you so, but the only person who decides this is God. I wouldn't ask anyone this question except God. I would pray to Him to give you the strength to be a good person and to find your way to Heaven. But don't rely on others to determine your fate.
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May 21st 2011, 08:35 PM
If I were to believe in God etc. (which I don't) I feel the most logical, and hopefully true, explanation would be thus:
Hell exists and it is possible to get to it, but you have to be so absolutely evil that very few bar none are in it. That's just my interpretation though. I thought about you for the rest of the day. Catching my head turning to find you again. I hated myself for it. |
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May 21st 2011, 10:09 PM
hey there, its really just a matter of what you believe. You need to define your beliefs...what religion are you? if you can answer that, then odds are they hav an idea of what determines ur afterlife. you just need to look it up. If you are christian/ catholic, then no killin ppl in video games and laughin at rude jokes wont send u to hell. feel free to message me if u wanna discuss this further
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May 22nd 2011, 02:21 AM
First of all... No one but God can tell you whether you will go to Heaven or Hell. It's not our place to judge you.
However, I will tell you this: Everyone has sinned. Everyone makes mistakes. Most of the time, it's not big stuff and we just screw up sometimes. No one is perfect and you are certainly no exception. Also remember this: God loves you and He forgives your sins. The big thing is that when you ask for forgiveness of your sins, that you are truly sorry and that you will try hard to do better. Sure, you may mess up again, but if you're genuinely sorry and will try harder, there's no reason why God wouldn't forgive you. Heaven is not a place for those who make mistakes... We ALL do. It's important that when you do, you acknowledge it and genuinely try to do better the next time around. Hell is a place for those who turn completely away from God with no intention of coming back to Him. “Don't get too comfortable with who you are at any given time. You may miss the opportunity to become who you want to be." ~Jon Bon Jovi ![]() |
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May 22nd 2011, 08:30 PM
God will not damn you to hell for minor things. As long as you have faith the rest is fluff. If you do not have faith in god, that is when actions and true heart comes into place.
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May 22nd 2011, 08:50 PM
Define minor.
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May 22nd 2011, 09:00 PM
Or how about you let him believe what he wants without having to explain himself to you and not the OP?
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May 22nd 2011, 10:22 PM
If you so want to know my definition, you have not killed, nor raped, nor molested. You have no stolen, you have not harmed anyone. Minor shit that won't matter in ten years.
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May 23rd 2011, 12:10 AM
lol, I didn't ask for him to explain himself to me.
"Daniel broke the kings decree, Peter stepped from the ship to the sea, there was hope for Job like a cut down tree... I hope that there's such hope for me... Blind as I've become, I used to wonder where you were. These days I can't find where You're not. Mine's been a yard carefully surface tended, foxes burrowed underground. Gardening so highly self-recommended, what could I have done but let You down? The sun and the moon, I want to see both worlds as one." -Aaron Weiss, mewithoutYou
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May 23rd 2011, 06:44 AM
He replied to the OP with his opinion, and you demanded he "define minor". You could have at least asked nicely.
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May 24th 2011, 04:24 AM
I didn't demand anything. I simply wanted to know what he meant by minor, as it's a relative term, I'm sure I'm not the only one who knows what a "minor" sin is in that persons opinion. Did you?
"Daniel broke the kings decree, Peter stepped from the ship to the sea, there was hope for Job like a cut down tree... I hope that there's such hope for me... Blind as I've become, I used to wonder where you were. These days I can't find where You're not. Mine's been a yard carefully surface tended, foxes burrowed underground. Gardening so highly self-recommended, what could I have done but let You down? The sun and the moon, I want to see both worlds as one." -Aaron Weiss, mewithoutYou
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May 24th 2011, 09:30 AM
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May 25th 2011, 10:41 PM
It happens all the time.
Satanism is not a white light religion; it is a religion of the flesh, the mundane, the carnal - all of which are ruled by Satan, the personification of the Left Hand Path.
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May 25th 2011, 10:46 PM
i believe and it says in the bible if u believe in god and feel remorse or feel sorry for your sins you will go to heaven because jesus died for our sins so you will still go to heaven if u believe in god and feel sorry for anything bad u done
live life like it is take it as you go
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May 25th 2011, 11:06 PM
But if you don't believe in him then you burn in fire for eternity..
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May 27th 2011, 09:03 AM
Satanism is not a white light religion; it is a religion of the flesh, the mundane, the carnal - all of which are ruled by Satan, the personification of the Left Hand Path.
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If you feel this thread has answered you question, then you can ask a moderator to close the thread.
Satanism is not a white light religion; it is a religion of the flesh, the mundane, the carnal - all of which are ruled by Satan, the personification of the Left Hand Path.
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May 27th 2011, 11:47 PM
Nah i just want them to stop i don't want it locked
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Re: Will i go to heaven or hell? -
May 28th 2011, 03:44 AM
I'm sure they'd stop if you asked. Seems like they already have to me.
Satanism is not a white light religion; it is a religion of the flesh, the mundane, the carnal - all of which are ruled by Satan, the personification of the Left Hand Path.
"Love those who deserve your love, instead of love wasted on ingrates!" "If a man smite thee on one cheek, smash him on the other!" "It's too bad stupidity isn't painful." GAY PRIDE!!!!!! |
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