Triggering (Suicide): ANGER

[kiwi_fish_bunny]

Well i dont know where to put this but i guess this works the best.
i have been a christian for under a year, its been hard, but i was strong in my faith, but now... i have been so angry at god, to the point where i started doubting him all together.
How could he let them go? why couldnt he save him too. i wasnt as close to peter as some of you, but it is hurting so fucking much.
i was saved i survived my attempts, why could he be saved too??
Why the fuck not, seriously! its unfair, its not right!!!!! i hate it hate it hate it!!!

[~Mr. Self Destruct~]

I am atheist, but your anger is perfectly natural.
People have a tendency to become angry and to blame others when they're greiving. It's important to remember, that in situations like these, it's simply a tragic occurence that someone succeeds in killing themselves. It's awful that your friend died at his own hand in this manner, but you do believe you God provided people free will, no?
Just keep in mind that these feeling of yours' are usual in a situation like this, and you don't want to be making any major decisions when you are overwhealmed as you are now.

[Toz]

A typical Christian answer might be, "God has a plan for everyone, and he just decided now was Peter's time." Let's look at it rationally: what all-loving, all-knowing God would decide he wanted Peter to go? The fact of the matter is that God has nothing to do with this, and if he does, he isn't worth worshipping.

That's just me though.

[kiwi_fish_bunny]

im mopre stuck at the fact, i survived, the nurmerous attemps, and hell i bet even after tonight i will have no fucking damag to my liver or insides, why dont i fucking test it, see what he fucking thinks of it, gods a prick, a dork, i really am hating him, he didnt save peter, he didnt fucking help me when i needed him, so fuck it
!!!!!

[Singer180]

I understand how you're feeling as losing someone close is always the most painful. I'm not an expert on the topic of religion (as I'm sure no one on earth is) as I struggle with my own personal beliefs as well. Maybe this will help:

When I was little my uncle (who ironically was named Peter) was killed in the army. I grew up as a Christian so I asked my mom, "Why did god take uncle Peter?" and for a while she was just quiet. She said "Baby I don't know. Sometimes bad things happen to good people."

What I'm trying to say here is, I don't know why you're friend passed and I'm sorry with all my heart. If you are still very adamant about your faith, consider speaking to a priest as I'm sure they could explain the topic of death better. I'm here to help you through this tough time though, so if you need anything at all or want to talk feel free to message me at anytime. Feel better

[Of Mike and Men]

My love and grievance to you, my sister. Please do not be angry with Him. We do not know who is saved. Even those who are saved, may not know. That is, perhaps there are those who believe in Christ, but do not even know they believe. Just trust that He will do away with all wickedness, whatever that means. In Matthew, those being saved, didn't know they were. See Matthew 25 and hope in Him who is Love, Peace, Mercy, and Justice. He will act justly and mercifully. We do not know where this person is. There is hope.

[Megan1]

I can tell you why people die, but I can't really tell you why different people die at different times in different ways. The bible isn't completely clear on that.

We all die because of the sin in us that makes our bodies imperfect and so we can get sick, be weak, be injured, have health problems, etc. That's why God sent Jesus so we can have our souls washed clean and go to Heaven in we receive Him- so when we die, we really just go to a better life in Heaven. That's if we choose Him though (if you're a Christian you know all this, but yeah...).

Here are two things that the bible says about what part God plays in our deaths:

1. God told Paul ahead of time that he was going to be killed, and God didn't stop it. So, God knows ahead of time when we are going to die, whether He's the one who makes it happen or not.

2. In the book of Job, satan had to ask God's permission before harming Job. God gave him permission to harm Job, but didn't give him permission to kill him. So, this shows us that God has to allow us to die...whether He's the one who actually does it or not.

So, the best answer I can give is that God did know that your friend was going to die and didn't stop it...but I'd only be speculating if I told you why. None of us can really tell you why God allows some people to survive tragedies and knowingly allows others to die. We know that His plan is bigger than our little understandings, and that's really the only answer that I can give you. Read the book of Job. He asked the same questions such as "Why did God allow my whole family to be killed yet I survived?". In the end, God basically asks him "Where were you when I planned creation? You don't have the ability to understand everything that I do, but you just have to trust that I know what is best."

I'm sorry for your loss. I'll be praying for you.

[Toz]

Originally Posted by Singer180

I'm not an expert on the topic of religion (as I'm sure no one on earth is)

Are you serious?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theologians
Where do you think the study of theology came from?

[dr2005]

First and foremost, I am really sorry. Peter's death has shaken a lot of people on here, and while like you I did not know him as well as many others (who I know are taking it very hard) it is still a shock. He was clearly very much loved and admired on here and by his friends & family, and I express my sympathies to all who knew and loved him at what must be a very difficult time.

Your anger is, as Matthew has already pointed out, perfectly natural and part of the grieving process in light of a very tragic occurrence. It's also perfectly understandable that you feel anger towards God for not stepping in and saving him, particularly when you feel you have yourself been saved on occasion. I have felt exactly the same on occasion. What I am about to say in response is probably highly controversial, and I apologise for any hurt or distress caused, but here it is: maybe on this occasion, God figured it was better for him to succeed and so be at peace. I don't want to comment on Peter's particular situation because frankly I'm in no position to do so and wouldn't wish to even if I was, but that is perhaps something to bear in mind.

Again, I offer my sympathies to all who knew and loved Peter - he was clearly someone who touched a number of lives and will be missed.

[Revolution]

Toz:Honestly, who is to say that a theologist is an expert of religion? A biologist isn't an expert of biology, but are as close as they can be. So I don't think you're getting what the person was saying. I think the person was trying to say "I"m not an expert in religion, because nobody really knows precisely what happened." or possible "I do not know the background story of every million religion and sect that has ever walked the world." So really, I'm not sure how important picking apart this person's statement is...?

OP: I would honestly see your spiritual leader if you want to get answers related to your faith, but I'm an atheist. I believe Peter died because Peter chose to die. But if you want to try to get yourself to believe that Peter died for a reason, or that it is all apart of some plan, by all means, see your spiritual leader. I would love to be able to believe that Peter is in heaven, happy, at peace, walking with some lord. However, it won't happen, because I cannot accept an answer that does not make sense. It's a fairy tale to me, a prince finding me by fitting my shoe sounds like such a great story, but I can't believe it because I want to.

[Digilodger]

Hmm, look at it this way: Christian believes that when a good person passes away, he/she gets to spend the afterlife in Heaven, which supposedly is a . . . well, a heavenly place.

So if you are religious, then this is another way to view death: Instead of viewing it as the end of an existence, you could view it like a graduation---graduated from the mortal life and begin anew as a spiritual being, enjoying eternal peace.