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Question is it wrong........ - January 9th 2012, 12:12 AM

......for me to bash religion while trying to stand up for myself and my sexulaity? Because im atheist and bisexual.
   
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Re: is it wrong........ - January 9th 2012, 01:04 AM

Nope not at all. You are who you are and you believe in what you want. Just be careful whose around you when you do bash religions though, my best friend got punched in the nose by an offended Christian...lol


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Re: is it wrong........ - January 9th 2012, 03:23 AM

For you to not agree with religion and to use it in a way that will support your views, sure. Religion has it faults, as does everything, and just as people use religion to point out false ideals about specific groups, I don't see why it's not all right to use it to point out false aspects in the points of the people behind those ideals.

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To bash it, I don't think that's right. That's very disrespectful. Yeah, people bash other races or sexualities, but do you really want to place yourself as low as them? Bashing is just a negative way of going about things. If you feel like using religion in your defense, or your lack of religion in your defense, keep it respectful, keep it logical, and be smart about it. The best way to shut people up is to outsmart them logically and show them how knowledgeable you really are.

Sorry, but that's just my opinion.


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Re: is it wrong........ - January 9th 2012, 04:01 AM

Yes. You are being a hypocrite. You can't expect tolerence and not give it in return.

And just because you are an atheist does not mean you have to 'bash' religion, or that it somehow explains it in some way.


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Re: is it wrong........ - January 10th 2012, 04:43 AM

In general, i'd say bashing religion is wrong. Saying you're athiest so it's okay would be like saying you're straight so it's okay to bash gay people. Keep in mind when defending your sexuality that there's a fine line between standing up for what you believe in and tearing others down for what they believe in.


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Re: is it wrong........ - January 11th 2012, 12:08 AM

I agree with everyone else. Everyone has the right to believe whatever they would like to believe. And if you don't respect other people lifestyles how can you expect them to respect yours? Religion is an opinion mainly circled around the afterlife and whehter their is an existance of an afterlife but honestly no religion can ever claim to be right because no one can come back from the dead. So unfortunalty all we can do as a race is speculate and have fun & enjoy everyone elses theories. Be proud of who you are and what you believe but you never have the right to judge someone else for what they believe as long as their beliefs don't put your rights in jeopardy.
   
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Re: is it wrong........ - January 14th 2012, 10:15 PM

They only time it's okay to completely bash religion is when it impedes on your rights. Otherwise, don't completely live your life based on tearing others' down.


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Re: is it wrong........ - January 15th 2012, 03:57 AM

If you're standing up for yourself and your sexuality then you should do it in general, but don't bash on other religions just to make a point. There's no need to bring up religion into it.
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Re: is it wrong........ - January 15th 2012, 11:49 AM

Hey Lindsay,

I'm not going to lie: It can be pretty tempting to bash religion when people are using it to put your sexuality down. However, it's important to remember that it isn't religion itself that is the culprit here but the interpretations of different people. There are many religious individuals out there who do not believe that being LGBT is a sin and who do not use their religion as an excuse to condemn others. I know that my younger sister is Catholic, and she fully embraces both my sexuality and my girlfriend!

Besides, if you begin to bash someone's religion, then, regardless of all the bashing they've been doing, your argument looks less credible in their eyes. I think it's best to stick with well-thought-out, rational responses. Calmly explain your stance to them. If you get defensive, it looks as though you have something to hide or be ashamed of, which is exactly what they think. But if you keep your cool and act like it's no big deal, then it gives them something to consider.

I don't think it's wrong to point out the inconsistencies in their argument, as long as it's done respectfully.

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Re: is it wrong........ - January 15th 2012, 01:25 PM

You shouldn't bash any religion under any circumstances. Believe me I'm also an atheist and I know it can be quite hard, But the best thing to do is just walk away. Remove yourself from the situation your being threatened in.


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