Originally Posted by Frosty
That's your choice, but I believe that you should take the advice of the man I quoted and realise that you have to make a choice between remaining in that state of ignorance and refraining from commenting on economic matters, or educate yourself in order to do so.
I wouldn't immediately suspect they were illegal. I see plenty of people who are more comfortable with their native language (particularly asians) where I live.
Well a drivers licence is somewhat discriminatory in itself, since they're probably a lot more common amongst people who are doing alright for themselves and therefore own a car, as opposed to people who are poor and take public transport i.e. new immigrants regardless of legality. Plus I'm sure most adult men don't have some gestapo like force following them around waiting for them to slip up and not have their id on them.
I think that's only a call their employers can make, seeing as they are the ones shelling out the money for them. And that's a call they evidently have made if they are still employed.
The reason unemployment is so high is because the resources in the economy are rearranging themselves in the wake of the collapsed bubble of the last decade. What you're advocating is simply causing more (unnecessary in this case) structural change, something which is just going to result in less being produced.
Because they are currently engaged in gainful employment. I don't see what's so hard about that to grasp.
You're not "creating jobs", you're just moving people around in them. If you want to create jobs you need to address the actual causes i.e. policies preventing markets clearing (wage controls) and policies preventing the quick readjustment of excess resources in the economy.
If you raise the price of something less will be demanded i.e. you're going to wind up with less workers in the construction sector as a whole if you just try to fight the symptoms of intervention by kicking out people trying to dodge the wage controls.
i wouldnt consider this a economic matter i pay taxes that go towards wellfare and social security ...
possibally for you for me i think what my gut tells me its never been wrong before....
not totally true since most the construction workers had cars unless the 20 cars i saw were all the bosses.... most people have some form of ID wether its a state ID,social security card, driver license...
maybe but using 1X2's for studs wasnt upto building code when i built my parents garage so yes it might not be my call but id deem it substandard...
i wouldnt call it unneccasary cause its gonna happen eventually when the rest of the country follows arizonas lead with new immigration laws and everything will fall into place....
they might be in gainfull employment but alot of its under the table and not on the books...
yes it might be "moving" people around but doesnt really matter if there not here legally ?
there will always be work for construction workers no matter the price if there isnt a lower price for it to be done..
as for why ill first explain my definition of american its someone who came to the country legally.. if someone is illegal they cant be on the books cause they have no id or papers so they cant be put on the "books" for the owner to file so most likelly are paid under the table and dont have taxed wages which last i knew was illegal..