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Originally Posted by Nova
How does that make sense? Someone couldn't keep it in their pants and so now you want to dish the responsibility off on someone else, just because they think that it's wrong? Though, I do think adoption is an excellent choice for unwanted pregnancies.
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Someone couldn't keep their opinions to themselves so they voted for a law that will negatively affect the lives of others, and I'm calling on them to take responsibility for that. The responsibility argument works both ways. Illegal abortion will cause both unnecessary deaths and unwanted children. That is a direct consequence of your (addressed generally to pro-lifers) intentional action. What are you going to do to take responsibility for that?
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Originally Posted by Nova
I don't even understand what your point is... because, YES. Live with your actions (but that doesn't mean keep the child, as that may not be the responsible thing to do).
And by preaching pro-responsibility, I don't really mean pro-life (if your statement was aimed at me). While I'd certainly give the right to any rape victim or the like, I've actually seen another case where the responsible thing to do was abortion. And I'm not ignorant enough to know that a few more exceptions may exist.
But on a whole. I just feel like not wanting to go through an unwanted pregnancy is irresponsible and having the option to just "nip it in the bud" is a cop out. It's like "Oh no, I didn't want THAT to happen [even though... DUH, it can!]. Make it go away!" Deal with your "problems". And if you can't handle them, then deal with your hormones and zip up the pants.
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I actually wasn't addressing you with my last post, but I'll happily reply. Actually I'll just quote Marguerite, since she basically summed up my opinion for me:
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Originally Posted by Marguerite
Honestly, when people say 'I think abortion should be illegal except when you are raped' it makes me want to throw things. It has to be the most ridiculous opinion on the topic, period.
If you think abortion is murder, then why would you be okay with 'murdering' a baby because of how it was concieved?
So you either think
1) Rape babies don't deserve to live.
2) Children should be a consequence.
Children should NOT, repeat NOT just be their to remind someone they are paying for having sex. I can't believe people actually think 'Well, you made your bed, lie in it' when it comes to this issue. A child is not a learning curb. It blows my mind that people think abortion should be illegal as children are a punishment for sex.
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In addition to that, why do you look at it as a cop-out? In almost nothing else in society would you call a solution to a problem a "cop-out". "House caught on fire? Well, I guess you shouldn't have had a wooden house. Don't call fire control, that's just a cop out.
You bought a wooden house; take responsibility for your actions." "Cut yourself making dinner? Don't go to the hospital; that's just a cop-out. If you're stupid enough to use metal knives for cooking then you can live with the consequences." "Fell off your horse? Too damn bad; you shouldn't have been riding a horse to begin with. Don't go to a doctor; take responsibility for your actions."
See how ridiculous it sounds? Unless you have a moral objection to abortion, there is
no reason to call it a "cop-out" or "irresponsible". It's a solution to the problem of unwanted pregnancy. The idea that sex is all about making babies is and has been archaic for a long time, and the vague idea that abortion is "irresponsible" I think is just a remnant of that mindset. On the other hand if you
do have a moral objection to abortion, make
that your argument; at least then we'll have something to debate.
So, which'll it be?