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Bibliophile February 15th 2009 10:38 AM
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That is disgusting,the end.

Penguin Queen February 15th 2009 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by YourNightmare (Post 49948)
Why exactly is murder not as bad?

So, am I right to say that if there is a person who has killed 5 people and a person who has raped 5 people, the rapist should be punished more than the murderer?
Yes actually I do. Also, there are semi reasonable reasons to kill someone, or sometimes when the vast majority would think, yes I would do that to. I can't think of a single one for rape. And btw, I hate GTA too.

A February 15th 2009 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Jessie (Post 49799)
"Messed up" doesn't cover this. Good for Amazon for dropping it. Fail on ever carrying it.
Not long ago, this was why homosexuality was banned. No one really minded then either, because general public opinion was that it was "disgusting". There's no real reason to make it unavailable except for it being distasteful, which is not illegal - therefore Amazon should have continued to sell it regardless of what random prudes complained about.

Penguin Queen February 15th 2009 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by A (Post 50085)
Not long ago, this was why homosexuality was banned. No one really minded then either, because general public opinion was that it was "disgusting". There's no real reason to make it unavailable except for it being distasteful, which is not illegal - therefore Amazon should have continued to sell it regardless of what random prudes complained about.
excuse me, but are you saying that we should keep a open mind about whether rape and forced abortion is wrong or not?!

A February 15th 2009 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by thecryingangel (Post 50086)
excuse me, but are you saying that we should keep a open mind about whether rape and forced abortion is wrong or not?!
No, I'm saying that just because you think something is disgusting or distasteful does not mean it should be banned. These are only depictions of rape and violence, it really doesn't matter because there's no real life impact.

Fictional February 15th 2009 01:02 PM
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Don't the Japanese also make the most sexually explicit movies? I think the game's sick, but if it stops people from going out and really raping people, then it can't be such a bad thing. They should give sex offenders free copies of it.

Hyper Sonic February 15th 2009 01:09 PM
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It's a game, it is far from real. I'm sure Japan has age ratings too - a 14 year old is unlikely to be able to buy this game anyway. It's just different - the Church said Darwin was wrong and look at where we are now. People hate things that are different

Also, how is forced abortion different from forced non-abortion?

Dasha February 15th 2009 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by thecryingangel (Post 50069)
Yes actually I do. Also, there are semi reasonable reasons to kill someone, or sometimes when the vast majority would think, yes I would do that to. I can't think of a single one for rape. And btw, I hate GTA too.
Did you just justify MURDER?, and Then refuse to at least try to do the same for rape? What logic is that? What valid excuse can a person even have for murder?

Can you honestly give me a situation where you would rather a friend or family member be murdered than raped? A person can come back from a rape, but your dead forever with murder.

Smitten February 15th 2009 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by A (Post 49450)
But who cares? It's a gamer commanding pixels on a screen to murder, steal, rob and rape - who's hurt by that except other pixels? The answer is no one.
BUT...BUT...BUT....
PIXELS ARE PEOPLE TOO!!! :eek:
SAVE THE PIXELS!

Dasha February 15th 2009 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Smitten (Post 50184)
BUT...BUT...BUT....
PIXELS ARE PEOPLE TOO!!! :eek:
SAVE THE PIXELS!

xD That actually made me laugh out loud. Thanks for that.

Smitten February 15th 2009 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Dasha (Post 50191)

xD That actually made me laugh out loud. Thanks for that.
You are welcome :haha:
I was trying to lighten the mood :nosweat:

Acheron February 15th 2009 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by thecryingangel (Post 50069)
Yes actually I do. Also, there are semi reasonable reasons to kill someone, or sometimes when the vast majority would think, yes I would do that to. I can't think of a single one for rape.

Is this relevant? Yes, there are some justifiable reasons for killing, like self-defence, and I can't at the moment think of any for rape. However, while this proves that killing someone can, in some circumstances, be worse than raping someone, it in no way proves that a killing with no mitigating circumstances is worse than a rape with no mitigating circumstances.

Dasha February 15th 2009 03:59 PM
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I should also point out. Killing someone, say in self defense. Is different than actual Murder. Which is to kill with an intent. So I can't possibly see where murder can get its justifications from.

Acheron February 15th 2009 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Dasha (Post 50229)
I should also point out. Killing someone, say in self defense. Is different than actual Murder. Which is to kill with an intent. So I can't possibly see where murder can get its justifications from.
What about killing in the defence of other people? Imagine that you know that someone is going to kill a group of your friends. You track down this person and kill him before he can kill any of them. You must have intended to kill this man, which would fit your definition of murder (technically speaking, a murder is an unlawful killing with intent). Was killing him justified?

InSovietRussiaORGASMGotU February 15th 2009 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by thecryingangel (Post 50069)
Yes actually I do. Also, there are semi reasonable reasons to kill someone, or sometimes when the vast majority would think, yes I would do that to. I can't think of a single one for rape. And btw, I hate GTA too.
Aside from that being completely illogical, you failed to answer a single of one my questions, so I'll restate them:
1) Why exactly is murder not as bad as rape?

2)So, am I right to say that if there is a person who has killed 5 people and a person who has raped 5 people, the rapist should be punished more than the murderer?

The fact that you hate GTA is completely irrelevant here.
I find it rather interesting how you justify murder like it's not such a bad thing but something such as rape, to you is worse. With murder, the person is dead but with rape they can recover and continue living.

Dasha February 15th 2009 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Acheron (Post 50238)
What about killing in the defence of other people? Imagine that you know that someone is going to kill a group of your friends. You track down this person and kill him before he can kill any of them. You must have intended to kill this man, which would fit your definition of murder (technically speaking, a murder is an unlawful killing with intent). Was killing him justified?
No, that does not justify the murder at all. A person could just as easily, call up the police to track the potential murderer down, or if they don't want to,
Call the friends and tell them to get somewhere safe, and track down the potential murder and tie him up or something, THEN call the police. There is no need to murder them and there's not much way to possibly tell if the person was just making a threat, or actually going to do it.

R.K. February 15th 2009 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by thecryingangel (Post 50069)
Yes actually I do. Also, there are semi reasonable reasons to kill someone, or sometimes when the vast majority would think, yes I would do that to. I can't think of a single one for rape. And btw, I hate GTA too.
To make sure I understand, you're not saying MURDER IS BETTER THAN RAPE, what you meant was JUSTIFICATIONS behind murder can be better than behind rape, thus "rape is the worst".

If that is what you mean, then say so clearly, I think there was some misunderstanding because of this.

Acheron February 15th 2009 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Dasha (Post 50325)
No, that does not justify the murder at all. A person could just as easily, call up the police to track the potential murderer down, or if they don't want to,
Call the friends and tell them to get somewhere safe, and track down the potential murder and tie him up or something, THEN call the police.


Yes, there are other justifiable courses of action. However, killing the killer-to-be prevents him from doing a harm greater than a single killing. It's done in the defence of other people. Given that all people are linked through their common humanity, I don't see how you can draw a moral distinction between self-defence and the defence of others.

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There is no need to murder them and there's not much way to possibly tell if the person was just making a threat, or actually going to do it.


Which is why I said "if you know". It's a thought experiment rather than a practical example.

Dasha February 15th 2009 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Acheron (Post 50432)


Yes, there are other justifiable courses of action. However, killing the killer-to-be prevents him from doing a harm greater than a single killing. It's done in the defence of other people. Given that all people are linked through their common humanity, I don't see how you can draw a moral distinction between self-defence and the defence of others.


Which is why I said "if you know". It's a thought experiment rather than a practical example.
I can understand if the ONLY option, and the killer is right there. But it is not justifiable if you have time to track a assumed killer down to kill him yourself. I am NOT drawing any line between self defense and the defense of others, you never heard me say so. I merely said there were other options than to seek out and kill him. If you knew a guy might be coming to murder you, do you seek him out first to kill him? Or run and contact the authority's. It is the SAME exact thing I am saying to do, how is that drawing a line? If anything it puts them closer together rather than separating them with the proverbial line.

Fucking Done February 15th 2009 08:25 PM
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The game doesn't have feelings people. You are not hurting anybody.

Acheron February 15th 2009 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Dasha (Post 50565)
I can understand if the ONLY option, and the killer is right there. But it is not justifiable if you have time to track a assumed killer down to kill him yourself. I am NOT drawing any line between self defense and the defense of others, you never heard me say so. I merely said there were other options than to seek out and kill him. If you knew a guy might be coming to murder you, do you seek him out first to kill him? Or run and contact the authority's. It is the SAME exact thing I am saying to do, how is that drawing a line? If anything it puts them closer together rather than separating them with the proverbial line.

But the fact that other options exist doesn't make the killing unjustifiable. Yes, contacting the police is perhaps a safer option, but the difference is mainly one of tactics rather than one of moral justifiability. While going to the authorities may have a slight moral edge, that in no way means that killing would be an immoral course of action. Either option is morally justifiable as it is performed to prevent a greater harm.

Confused1isin February 15th 2009 09:39 PM
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WOW!!! There arent enough words to describe how wrong that game is...

Dasha February 15th 2009 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Acheron (Post 50739)
But the fact that other options exist doesn't make the killing unjustifiable. Yes, contacting the police is perhaps a safer option, but the difference is mainly one of tactics rather than one of moral justifiability. While going to the authorities may have a slight moral edge, that in no way means that killing would be an immoral course of action. Either option is morally justifiable as it is performed to prevent a greater harm.

Not at all. Murder is ONLY justifiable if you have absolutely no other options. A person should not resort to murder just because its an "easier" option. Even in defense, I find it hard to justify it. You can easily stop a person without killing them. Hell, even just knocking them unconscious is a better way.

Acheron February 15th 2009 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Dasha (Post 50773)

Not at all. Murder is ONLY justifiable if you have absolutely no other options. A person should not resort to murder just because its an "easier" option. Even in defense, I find it hard to justify it. You can easily stop a person without killing them. Hell, even just knocking them unconscious is a better way.
Of course it's better to knock someone unconscious than to kill them. Did I ever dispute that? But the fact that there are more morally justifiable options doesn't mean that killing is immoral, only that it is less moral. In the case of killing someone in defence, it prevents a greater harm than it causes, and on balance, therefore, is justifiable.

Dasha February 15th 2009 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Acheron (Post 50784)
Of course it's better to knock someone unconscious than to kill them. Did I ever dispute that? But the fact that there are more morally justifiable options doesn't mean that killing is immoral, only that it is less moral. In the case of killing someone in defence, it prevents a greater harm than it causes, and on balance, therefore, is justifiable.
Well in my opinion. The ONLY way murder can be evenly remotely justifiable is when there is absolutely no other option out of a situation where other people besides the original killer will end up dead. Murder IS immoral.

Lugez February 15th 2009 11:46 PM
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Play, or look up Manhunt.....Now THATS a ridiculously violent/gory/sick game.

Anyway, even though I personally think this game is horrible, I wouldn't try to prevent anyone who wants to play it from playing it. After all, in the end its just pixels.

Don't like it? Then ignore it, and don't play it.

Mel14 February 16th 2009 06:04 PM
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lol wow. the japanese are so silly.

InSovietRussiaORGASMGotU February 16th 2009 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mel14 (Post 51969)
lol wow. the japanese are so silly.
Silly? No, I wouldn't use that word. They're quite a bright bunch of people.

DoesThisLookInfected? February 16th 2009 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by YourNightmare (Post 51976)
Silly? No, I wouldn't use that word. They're quite a bright bunch of people.
Especially when they can have these games, not be outraged, and still have lower crime rates.

Mel14 February 16th 2009 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by YourNightmare (Post 51976)
Silly? No, I wouldn't use that word. They're quite a bright bunch of people.
Haha I know =) But they are still silly.

FastForward2012 February 17th 2009 12:00 AM
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Woww.
That is messed up on so many levels.
&Thats all I'm going to say.

DoesThisLookInfected? February 17th 2009 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DontGiveUpHope (Post 52635)
Woww.
That is messed up on so many levels.
&Thats all I'm going to say.
GTA is messed up as well.

I have to say that rape is a lot more frowned upon in America (western society for that matter) than murder. Just seems to be like that.

Lorelei February 17th 2009 11:05 PM
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It's disgusting and it promotes inequality. But... if it keeps creeps in their houses and away from any real women, then it's a victory.

Lorelei February 17th 2009 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DoesThisLookInfected? (Post 52160)
Especially when they can have these games, not be outraged, and still have lower crime rates.
Crime rates only count the crimes that the police have caught and written down for the record books. A lot of things that would be considered crimes here are not considered crimes in another part of the world or even the country. Not to mention the fact that cops in some areas just don't report all crime.

Smitten February 18th 2009 01:58 AM
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seriously... so long as the lines between the virtual and real world can be maintained, there is no issue with games such as these; as stated by others they may serve as an alternative outlet for those who feel the urge to go out and do it for real.

Don't hate on the Jap's!

Blackwing February 18th 2009 02:08 AM
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Games don't make you a rapist or murderer.

Oiseau the Little Bird! February 18th 2009 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by R.K. (Post 50344)
To make sure I understand, you're not saying MURDER IS BETTER THAN RAPE, what you meant was JUSTIFICATIONS behind murder can be better than behind rape, thus "rape is the worst".

If that is what you mean, then say so clearly, I think there was some misunderstanding because of this.
I think that's what he meant. But people like to come up with reasons to get out of hand. Hi, everyone!

Smitten February 18th 2009 01:17 PM
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HI Bernadette!
:D

anyway, I have said what I have to say above.

I see little wrong with this in the scheme of things.

Fictional February 18th 2009 02:02 PM
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as long as it doesn't encourage people to do it in real life, i don't really have much of a problem with it. although it sounds like a sick sort of game.


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