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cause thats all you guys ever complain about.. we had a thread on this exact topic 2months ago and you guys are always bashing smokers...im starting to think you all are turning into anti smoking nazi's when are you gonna start rounding us up and putting us in camps ?:glare:

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look at what nazis did... they went out and outlawed certain kinds of people and the people they found they eliminated or arrested and they hated people for just being themselves.... sounds like the same thing here....

people hate smokers, outlaw smoking from public places,make them smoke in there own little areas. sounds alot like nazi in my eyes i call it as i see it...

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No, I am telling someone not to hurt another human being. That is MUCH different.

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Originally Posted by The ANTI-Troll (Post 541293) look at what nazis did... they went out and outlawed certain kinds of people and the people they found they eliminated or arrested and they hated people for just being themselves.... sounds like the same thing here.... people hate smokers, outlaw smoking from public places,make them smoke in there own little areas. sounds alot like nazi in my eyes i call it as i see it...

Okay Dustin, let me explain to you why I don't like smoking.

I don't hate smokers.
I dislike smoking because it is HARMFUL. Smoking is dangerous.

Tobacco in a cigarette has more than 400 toxic substances and 4,000 chemical compounds.
Smoking kills 144,000 people in the UK a year. Imagine how many people in all the other parts of the world die from smoking.
Cardiovascular disease, Cancer, COPD, etc. etc. are caused by smoking.
Second-hand smoke is more dangerous than first-hand.
I have a problem with smoking because MY health is being put at risk.

And look at it. If smoking effects adults that badly, imagine what kind of damage that it is doing to a baby.

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/health_ad...mokehealth.htm
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/disea...y-smoking.html


Okay? Do you understand? I'm not a Nazi. I would like to keep my health.
No, smoking might not effect you negatively. You might be lucky. There are people who are. I know a man who is 80 and he has smoked 60 years and is fine.
On the other hand, I know at least 10 to 15 people who have bad effects from smoking.

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huh uh sure........ if smoking was so bad for ya then we'd all be dead by now since its been around for what 18,000 years ? anyways im done with any smoking thread on here...

but ill be sure next time im in public and i light up and someone does that "cough cough cough" thing i blow a big old smoke ring there direction :P

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I agree. Eating unhealthy just cuts off a good nutritional source. Smoking and drinking can give your body teratogen...which cauase major birth defects. Not just underdevolpment, but an over development of BAD things... There is a big difference in not feeding your child right, and irradiating them with uranium 235. One makes you weak and not healthy, the other give you cancer and not healthy

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I know many people who are very ill from smoking AND who have died because of it. It may not be bad now, but just like anything else, it takes awhile to see the effects.

Be carfeul with the blowing nonsense (of the cig) people are allergic to the stuff, thats why the cough. I cough when I breathe it in.

It is illegal to smoke in bars/resturants/etc. here, I am sure you know that part Anti Troll, and I am happy about it because I can confortably go out to eat and not have to have a coughing attack.

I think it is wrong to smoke pregnant, just like smoking in the car with kids in the backseat. It just isn't right. But, ya there isn't anything we can do but argue about it. You have your opinion, but listen to others and take in what they say.

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There are many factors when comparing people overall than just dissecting one case. It can sometimes be worse to go cold turkey suddenly than to slowly cut down depending on how much the mother smoked and how far long
the pregnancy is.

And sometimes it can be hard to quit and yes, some people can quit easier than others so no one should say "I quit so everyone can!" There are many factors like age started, amount smoking, how often, how much they have tried quit, genetics, and so on.

They should be encouraged to stop and be made aware of the risks, but that should be discussed with qualified health practitioners and not some person off the street. A layperson can do more harm than good.Please tell me more about this. What are your sources?

Malnutrition can cause birth defects. The increased risk of spinal deformities related to lack of folate are well-known. Caffeine is considered unhealthy and that can increase the risk of miscarriage which may not be a deformity, but that is a "serious problem."

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But the fact is the law recognizes a person's rights ends where their actions harm someone else. So you have the right to do whatever you want to yourself, but when you are sharing your body with someone else then you don't get to do things that will harm the both of you.

And you might think that people are being nazi like, but as much as people have the right to risk their health, people have the right to protect their health, and that means not being exposed to second hand smoke.

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The law does not always recognize a fetus as a person as it should not.

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Hey guys? Do me a favour, and keep the personal attacks to a minimum, as in not at all. I don't want to have to close this, but if it turns into just an array of personal attacks and fights I will.

Thanks.

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Well, a baby is only going to be exposed to it for 10 months. I don't think any of those people affected by what you mentioned smoked for 10 months or less.

Also, I would really like to see some actual statistics of the risks of smoking on a baby. I know there are risks and it's definitely better not to take the risk, but if the risks aren't too high (which seems to be the case) then it's understandable why some women continue to smoke while pregnant. Smoking can be extremely addictive and hard to quit.

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Oh god just stop talking.



Jussttttt to clarify why I would like him to stop talking ;)

I do not feel there is any point in continuing an argument with someone who is so fixed in his views, we go round and round (and round) in circles. Lots of evidence has been offered to counteract the view that smoking whilst pregnant is not harmful, or up to the choice of the mother, and at some point someone has to stand up and say, hey you know what we're getting nowhere here.

However MOSTLY it's because it's just so painful to read what he has to say and frankly I'd rather not have to. Honestly is the best policy, after all.

And once and for all, can we all stop trying to kid ourselves that this is debating? This is simply squabbling. So I can hardly appologise for not bringing the Oxford Debating Guidelines into a thread on a teenhelp forum full of teenagers. But if you'd like me to I'd be very happy to procrastinate over the holidays by making a thread explaining how it should be done.

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Those 9-10 months are the period of time where the baby is actually, how should I put it, being born? Developing? Being created from scratch?

Here are statistics:
http://quitsmoking.about.com/od/toba...Rpregnancy.htm

In my opinion, smoking is wrong, period. Especially during pregnancy, that is completely, and utterly, unacceptable by any means. There is no logical reason why people would do something which has no purpose except to damage their own health. What especially makes it bad is when people do it it puts my own health at risk because it goes right into the air. When people do this I feel, heck they aren't giving a care about their own health, why would they give a care about the health of others? Or is this a futile attempt to declare invincibility? What is the mentality behind this bad smoking thing?

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Again, that site is just a list of possibilities without any real hard numbers.

Of course there is no logical reason to smoke during pregnancy, but it's not about logic. Smoking is an addiction, and a very strong one at that! You can't just brush off the fact that it's so addicting. There are people who nearly die from lung cancer and still continue to smoke because they are so addicted.

I do not advocate smoking during pregnancy at all, but I think there should be some understanding for women who do smoke while pregnant. They usually aren't horrible awful people that don't care about their kid. The risks are minimal to moderate, and the addiction is strong.

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Honesty is not the best policy. Think it through and say whether you truly believe that. And if everyone posted along that line of what your original post said, it would get lost. I can see it now. Person: Hey, I disagree with you and you're asking for facts, but I don't want to research it so I'll just say to stop talking.

Only one credible site has been posted that based its information off of one study. Six years is considered old in medical research time. So I think he or she is justified in asking for more information supporting the other side's beliefs.

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No, I do not believe that honesty is the best policy in all situations, however I am great fan of satire, wit and general sarcasm. As it appears you cannot always detect this I will try to be clearer from now on.

It's not exactly hard:
http://www.tripdatabase.com/search?c...ring+pregnancy

And if you are unaware of datebases to search, justfreakingoogleit.com http://www.google.co.uk/search?clien...MNgbmEB8j3-LcO

This literally took me 30 seconds.

If people will continue to attempt to argue against the fact that the grass is green, then yes, I will ask them to stop talking.
Ironic really that you've now lead the debate astray. I hope your conscious isn't too guilty ;).

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Misplaced Dreamer; only just saw that you quoted me. Please actually quote me properly otherwise I will not see it.

Alcohol should be avoided but not terrible in small moderation
http://www.nhs.uk/Planners/pregnancy...landdrugs.aspx

Caffeine:
http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Preg...d-Caffeine.htm

Compared to smoking..
http://www.nhs.uk/planners/pregnancy...s/Smoking.aspx

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Sorry, I won't assume that people will remember what they write within in the past week in a discussion they are posting in. I quoted you in blocks so if you had read my previous posts, you would have bothered. Unless you are referring to the "person," in which case you would clearly realize that I was not quoting you as I did not put quotation marks. I was making fun of your laziness.

He was asking for research and stats. You posted from a trusted source, but once again, the NHS is not citing where they are getting their information. I do know what NHS is, but he asked for research and stats.

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I don't like it when people smoke when they are pregnant. It can give their child many health problems that they would have a less of a risk of getting if the mother doesn't smoke.
My mom smoked when she was pregnant with my sister, and then again with me.
She was 43 when she had me, I was born premature, had RSV when born, and got asthma. I'm not saying that it was all because my mom smoked, but I'm sure it was at least a small part of it.
I don't think a mother should put her child in serious risk of illness or death so she can smoke. She'd be making both her child and herself healthier if she stopped, at least while pregnant.

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What exactly about tripdatabase is unreliable, eh? Did you even bother to read the research papers?

And yes it would be good to assume I don't remember what I write on this forum. It's hardly the top priority of my life, I can't say that I go around thinking about what is going on here. At no point in this thread have you properly quoted me. Unless you quote me, I will not read it, and I will probably forget that I posted it. I have a pretty busy life, I'm not ashamed that I don't make a massive effort on here, if that's what you're trying to say? I skim through these threads and unless you quote me properly I won't notice, as showed.

As you have now sunk to basic insult I am going to choose not to reply to your posts again. Get a life dear, this is simply an internet forum.

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a couple bars still allow smoking around where i live and rather pay the fine cause they make it up and more cause of catering to smokers.. but usually if i do decide to go somewhere different out to eat i drive 40minutes and travel over to the indiana where its legal:bleh:.

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@her_beautiful_mistake

Try actually citing the articles and not being lazy by posting a list of articles that may or may not be relevant. If you cited that page in a research article, your teachers would give you an F because it in itself is not research. It contains links.

As for insult level, I merely sunk to your own level. At least I am not the one telling people to shut up instead of providing the evidence which is once again laziness on your part.

As for getting a life, I really like the one that I have now. It is just an Internet forum and you should lighten up a little bit. Telling people to shut up is a wasteful post and not encouraging debates here.

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Smoking whilst preganant should be made illegal!!

If i was preganant and smoked all the way through my pregancy and the baby was born with problems I would never forgive myself.

Where as if I hadn't smoked during and the baby was born with problems at least i know I did everything in my power to keep that baby healthy

Would also like to say to "strawberries" You can't just generalize every person having asthma that they parents smoked.
I'm an asthmatic and my parents never smoked and I was never around anyone that smoked. :)

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WOH WOH WOH! Hold on a ****ing minute here!

I see many of you have posted in the abortion thread as well, and many of you, although not pro-abortion, support legalized abortions. Yet! It is now bad to harm an (unborn) baby, who many of you have said should not be counted as a person. Meh, I am pro-responsibility, so I support aborting bad children, but I just want to throw this out there to show the bit of a quandary this is.

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