Healthy Eating

[Kitty.]

Okay so as some people already know, I am going to try and start eating healthy.
My days of eating Cheetos and candy all day are so over.
I need help though.
I need a list of really good fruits/vegetables to eat that are healthy for me. Basically the fruit/vegetables with the most health benfits.
Also, are there any protein substitutes for dairy? (I'm a vegetarian and I don't want to eat soy.)


Also, I am going to several camps this year and on those trips, every naturally stops at fast food places or gas stations.
What are some healthy things I can get there?
(Wendy's McDonalds, Burger King are the main fast food places the camps go to)
Plus they also stop at gas stations.

So obviously I need a bit of help with this.

P.s. Don't feel like you have to answer every single question. Any answers would be great.
Thanks in advance.

[Jocelyn.]

As for veggies... I put spinach in everything. lol. Its really good for you and its mild... like I never taste it. I put it in pasta, I make spinach salad, I put it on sandwiches... I feel the crunch, but it has virtually no taste to me, which I like.

I also each a lot of broccoli. If you steam it and season it correctly... YUM! hehe

Carrots are my third favorite. Also very good cooked, and they don't even need seasoned. I love making stirfry with broccoli, carrots, baby corn and sugar snap peas. Tasty.

As for fruits.. stick to blueberries, grapefruit, oranges. grapes, bananas. I'm sure there are others, but I know those are some of the good ones.

I don't really have any suggestions on healthier options at fast food places... but I've heard to stay away from the salads. Some of the stuff they add ends up making it just as bad as the rest of the menu. So don't punish yourself with a salad if you don't have to

[annabanana.]

Hi Kitty :]

I'll try to answer as much as I can, the best I can.

In all honesty - most fruit is good! Bananas are good because they give you energy. Oranges are good because they provide you with Vitamin C which is good for your immune system. Strawberries just taste nice - so eat them xD. Most green vegetables are best I think, although you should aim to eat a variety of different colours of fruit/veg in a day, to get a variety of different nutrients and vitamins. Oh and celery is a good veg, as is spinach.

I'm not sure about any substitutes for dairy - sorry. Could you try searching on the internet?

When it comes to fast food places ie MacDonalds, quite a lot of them do healthy things now, such as salads or fruit bits - things like that. Or gas stations may do sandwiches or 'low fat/cal' food items. I know that MacDonalds does salads though, and they are okay. You could check on the website, they generally have a nutrition information thing which will tell you how many calories or grams of fat is in something. Your best bet is to just look when you get there, as each place will be different. Or, could you take your own packed lunch? That way you can choose what you have.

Take care of yourself.

[i_am_me_again]

Baby tomatoes are good for snacking on,

Or you can buy those cereal bars. (From gas stations)

And you could get the salad option when you go to a fast food restuarant.

[Frosty]

The best fruits in terms of antioxidant content, both per gram and per calorie, are berries.

As for protein, do you mean you're a vegan? Because 'vegetarians' can still consume dairy. Can you eat eggs? And why are you a vegetarian? If it's a moral choice, whatever, I disagree with you but it's your body. On the other hand if you're doing it for health reasons you're misguided, and should just start eating animal products for your protein.

[Thirteen]

I'm going to guess you're a Semi-Ovo-Vegetarian?

Anyways, there is also Rice Milk and Almond Milk, if you don't want Soy.


For Camping:

As far as Wendy's goes, get a Caesar Salad, without Chicken or Bacon. And maybe a Baked Potato as well?

For McDonalds, they are THE LEAST Vegetarian-Friendly fast food chain, so perhaps get their Grilled Cheese Sandwich, and a meatless side salad?

And Burger King has a Veggie Burger, only animal product in there is Eggs. SO maybe a Veggie Burger, once again, with a side salad?

I'm putting emphasis on the salad for the health benefits, but something else to go with it will help fill you up.


Any fruit and veggies are really healthy for you, but people have mentioned things like Broccoli and Spinach. Dark Vegetables are VERY healthy for you.


Good Luck on your camping trip, and have fun!

[Kitty.]

Originally Posted by ForeverHis

As for veggies... I put spinach in everything. lol. Its really good for you and its mild... like I never taste it. I put it in pasta, I make spinach salad, I put it on sandwiches... I feel the crunch, but it has virtually no taste to me, which I like.

I also each a lot of broccoli. If you steam it and season it correctly... YUM! hehe

Carrots are my third favorite. Also very good cooked, and they don't even need seasoned. I love making stirfry with broccoli, carrots, baby corn and sugar snap peas. Tasty.

As for fruits.. stick to blueberries, grapefruit, oranges. grapes, bananas. I'm sure there are others, but I know those are some of the good ones.

I don't really have any suggestions on healthier options at fast food places... but I've heard to stay away from the salads. Some of the stuff they add ends up making it just as bad as the rest of the menu. So don't punish yourself with a salad if you don't have to

I love those three vegetables. And fruits. :P
Thank you so much.

Originally Posted by annabanana.

Hi Kitty :]

I'll try to answer as much as I can, the best I can.

In all honesty - most fruit is good! Bananas are good because they give you energy. Oranges are good because they provide you with Vitamin C which is good for your immune system. Strawberries just taste nice - so eat them xD. Most green vegetables are best I think, although you should aim to eat a variety of different colours of fruit/veg in a day, to get a variety of different nutrients and vitamins. Oh and celery is a good veg, as is spinach.

I'm not sure about any substitutes for dairy - sorry. Could you try searching on the internet?

When it comes to fast food places ie MacDonalds, quite a lot of them do healthy things now, such as salads or fruit bits - things like that. Or gas stations may do sandwiches or 'low fat/cal' food items. I know that MacDonalds does salads though, and they are okay. You could check on the website, they generally have a nutrition information thing which will tell you how many calories or grams of fat is in something. Your best bet is to just look when you get there, as each place will be different. Or, could you take your own packed lunch? That way you can choose what you have.

Take care of yourself.

Thank you for the vitamin explanation. I really needed that.
I'll run some searches.
Thanks.

Originally Posted by i_am_me_again

Baby tomatoes are good for snacking on,

Or you can buy those cereal bars. (From gas stations)

And you could get the salad option when you go to a fast food restuarant.

Thank you for your suggestions.

Originally Posted by Frosty

The best fruits in terms of antioxidant content, both per gram and per calorie, are berries.

As for protein, do you mean you're a vegan? Because 'vegetarians' can still consume dairy. Can you eat eggs? And why are you a vegetarian? If it's a moral choice, whatever, I disagree with you but it's your body. On the other hand if you're doing it for health reasons you're misguided, and should just start eating animal products for your protein.

I love berries.
I am a vegetarian but I am slightly lactose intolerant and things like cheese and milk bug me sometimes.

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

I'm going to guess you're a Semi-Ovo-Vegetarian?

Anyways, there is also Rice Milk and Almond Milk, if you don't want Soy.


For Camping:

As far as Wendy's goes, get a Caesar Salad, without Chicken or Bacon. And maybe a Baked Potato as well?

For McDonalds, they are THE LEAST Vegetarian-Friendly fast food chain, so perhaps get their Grilled Cheese Sandwich, and a meatless side salad?

And Burger King has a Veggie Burger, only animal product in there is Eggs. SO maybe a Veggie Burger, once again, with a side salad?

I'm putting emphasis on the salad for the health benefits, but something else to go with it will help fill you up.


Any fruit and veggies are really healthy for you, but people have mentioned things like Broccoli and Spinach. Dark Vegetables are VERY healthy for you.


Good Luck on your camping trip, and have fun!

Basically so. I really am not a big fan of dairy at all though.
Thank you so much!!!!!!! That really helped so much.
Thank you. I will.

[Algernon]

I just buy the vegetable bags you can steam in the microwave. They are like... a dollar or so and the whole bag of veggies, with chese, is like 145 calories. That's nothing.
Apple Cinnamin Rice Cakes, the mini ones. 60 calories for 8 of them.
Sliced Apples prepackaged. Because I'm lazy.
Canned Chicken and rice soup. 70 calories.

[Thirteen]

Originally Posted by Algernon

I just buy the vegetable bags you can steam in the microwave. They are like... a dollar or so and the whole bag of veggies, with chese, is like 145 calories.

Well she said the one problem was when they go out to fast food places with the camp. If she doesn't eat, she may go very hungry, and/or be accused of anorexia, which would cause problems. But yes, those bags of steamed veggies with cheese are yummy!

Originally Posted by Algernon

Canned Chicken and rice soup. 70 calories.

She's a Vegetarian. But on that line of suggestion, Minestrone soup is Vegetarian (actually, even VEGAN), and its so yummy with a piece of bread.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Kitty.

I love berries.

Awesome. Eat them.

Originally Posted by Kitty.

I am a vegetarian

What for though? Moral reasons? And does this mean you can eat eggs?

Originally Posted by Kitty.

but I am slightly lactose intolerant and things like cheese and milk bug me sometimes.

Weird, cheese really shouldn't have an effect since the process of cheesemaking generally removes the lactose.

[Thirteen]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Weird, cheese really shouldn't have an effect since the process of cheesemaking generally removes the lactose.

Actually, cheese has LESS lactose, but isn't completely lactose-free. Also, Kitty could be mistaken, and have a problem with Casein, or just an overall Milk allergy. But cheese DOES still have lactose content, thus why there are lactose-free cheeses made.

[Algernon]

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

Well she said the one problem was when they go out to fast food places with the camp. If she doesn't eat, she may go very hungry, and/or be accused of anorexia, which would cause problems. But yes, those bags of steamed veggies with cheese are yummy!


She's a Vegetarian. But on that line of suggestion, Minestrone soup is Vegetarian (actually, even VEGAN), and its so yummy with a piece of bread.

It might not be real chicken. Who knows?

I suggest salad. McDonalds Isn't a bad place to go. They have yogurt parfaits and sliced apples. I would get those and a salad. =)

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

Actually, cheese has LESS lactose, but isn't completely lactose-free. Also, Kitty could be mistaken, and have a problem with Casein, or just an overall Milk allergy. But cheese DOES still have lactose content, thus why there are lactose-free cheeses made.

Though a lot of the time those levels are low enough for people who aren't seriously lactose intolerent, particularly for someone who claims they are "slightly lactose intolerent".

[Kitty.]

Originally Posted by Algernon

I just buy the vegetable bags you can steam in the microwave. They are like... a dollar or so and the whole bag of veggies, with chese, is like 145 calories. That's nothing.
Apple Cinnamin Rice Cakes, the mini ones. 60 calories for 8 of them.
Sliced Apples prepackaged. Because I'm lazy.
Canned Chicken and rice soup. 70 calories.

Thank you. This is really really helpful for me.
For the last one, I am a vegetarian. xD As Julz mentions below.

Originally Posted by Frosty

What for though? Moral reasons? And does this mean you can eat eggs?
Weird, cheese really shouldn't have an effect since the process of cheesemaking generally removes the lactose.

I can eat cheese but I prefer not to.

Originally Posted by Algernon

I suggest salad. McDonalds Isn't a bad place to go. They have yogurt parfaits and sliced apples. I would get those and a salad. =)

That sounds great. Thank you.

[Frosty]

You still haven't answered why you're a vegetarian. And you seem to have missed the part where I mentioned eggs.

[Thirteen]

Originally Posted by Frosty

You still haven't answered why you're a vegetarian. And you seem to have missed the part where I mentioned eggs.

Frosty, just to educate you on this... If shes a Vegetarian (which is technically, a Lacto-Ovo Vegetarian), she can consume Eggs and Dairy still. A Lacto-Vegetarian consumes Dairy, but not Eggs. An Ovo-Vegetarian consumes Eggs, but not Dairy.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

Frosty, just to educate you on this... If shes a Vegetarian (which is technically, a Lacto-Ovo Vegetarian), she can consume Eggs and Dairy still. A Lacto-Vegetarian consumes Dairy, but not Eggs. An Ovo-Vegetarian consumes Eggs, but not Dairy.

So she eats eggs? In that case she should use eggs as a major protein source. Though I'm still curious about the moral vs. health question.

[Kitty.]

I do not eat eggs. I don't like eggs.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Kitty.

I do not eat eggs. I don't like eggs.

You should try and find recepies that make them attactive to you. They're by far the best source of protein you can get in the absence of any other animal products.

And again, if you don't mind answering, what is the reason for your avoidance of meat?

[Joneswilliamsc]

Originally Posted by Kitty.

I do not eat eggs. I don't like eggs.

Well according to me through this your sentense it seems that you are vegetarian. But if you are pure vegetiarian then I just advice you to eat the meat. Because we can't get all of the protein which is needed for our health from the vegetables only. And he another thing is that we must eat each and every vegetable as well as each meat. So that we can get more protein.

[MisplacedDreamer]

Best way to be healthy is to eat a variety of fruits, veggies, and grains. That way you can get complementary amino acids to help build the proteins your body needs. You also should look for fortified foods as some vitamins and minerals are easier to get from meat than from vegan-friendly foods.

I recommend checking out some vegan-friendly recipe books from your library.

[Kitty.]

Originally Posted by Joneswilliamsc

Well according to me through this your sentense it seems that you are vegetarian. But if you are pure vegetiarian then I just advice you to eat the meat. Because we can't get all of the protein which is needed for our health from the vegetables only. And he another thing is that we must eat each and every vegetable as well as each meat. So that we can get more protein.

I don't want to eat the meat.
What proteins am I missing by not eating meat?

Originally Posted by MisplacedDreamer

Best way to be healthy is to eat a variety of fruits, veggies, and grains. That way you can get complementary amino acids to help build the proteins your body needs. You also should look for fortified foods as some vitamins and minerals are easier to get from meat than from vegan-friendly foods.

I recommend checking out some vegan-friendly recipe books from your library.

Okay thanks.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by MisplacedDreamer

Best way to be healthy is to eat a variety of fruits, veggies, and grains. That way you can get complementary amino acids to help build the proteins your body needs. You also should look for fortified foods as some vitamins and minerals are easier to get from meat than from vegan-friendly foods.

I recommend checking out some vegan-friendly recipe books from your library.

Grains really aren't that good for you.

Originally Posted by Kitty.

I don't want to eat the meat.

You don't like meat?

Originally Posted by Kitty.

What proteins am I missing by not eating meat?

Animal proteins generally contain all the amino acids the human body needs. Non-animal sources are generally deficient in one or more amino acids.

[Kitty.]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Grains really aren't that good for you.


You don't like meat?


Animal proteins generally contain all the amino acids the human body needs. Non-animal sources are generally deficient in one or more amino acids.

How come grains aren't good for me?
Not really.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Kitty.

How come grains aren't good for me?

Packed with unnecessary carbs, relatively low levels of micronutrients (especially on a per carb level) compared to other foods, particlularly vegetables and fruits as far as plant foods go, and have lots of stuff your body shouldn't have like lectins, gluten and phytates.

Originally Posted by Kitty.

Not really.

Try out new dishes and ways of eating meat then? Ultimately if you can find a way to eat animal products i.e. meat, dairy, eggs you are going to have a far easier time getting the nutrients your body needs, protein most obviously, but also many micronutrients.

[Thirteen]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Packed with unnecessary carbs, relatively low levels of micronutrients (especially on a per carb level) compared to other foods, particlularly vegetables and fruits as far as plant foods go, and have lots of stuff your body shouldn't have like lectins, gluten and phytates.

And this is why grains are something to enjoy in moderation. No need to exclude them, but don't rely on them either.

Originally Posted by Frosty

Try out new dishes and ways of eating meat then? Ultimately if you can find a way to eat animal products i.e. meat, dairy, eggs you are going to have a far easier time getting the nutrients your body needs, protein most obviously, but also many micronutrients.

Meat isn't necessary to get protein, actually. Beans and Nuts are VERY good sources of protein. There are some nutrients that are harder to find outside of meat, but not impossible.

And to be honest, I think that if someone wants to quit meat, dairy, eggs, etc., they'll be alright, as long as they do the proper research. I actually know a life-long Vegan who is healthier than the average person in general. This person runs marathons, isn't ill often, and just, lives a healthy life with a Vegan diet.

Its only people who go Vegetarian/Vegan with no clue who succumb to all the health problems you hear of, such as malnutrition and vitamin deficiencies.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

And this is why grains are something to enjoy in moderation. No need to exclude them, but don't rely on them either.

If she wants to include grains despite the reasons not to for reasons such as enjoying the taste (though grains are pig disgusting on their own IMO) or simply for social reasons, that's her choice, but the original post about grains was advocating she seek out grains as though they are some sort of super-healthy wonderfood.

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

Meat isn't necessary to get protein, actually. Beans and Nuts are VERY good sources of protein. There are some nutrients that are harder to find outside of meat, but not impossible.

Nuts especially are a great food, however neither nuts nor legumes contain complete proteins, and the majority of legumes come with a fairly hefty dose of carbs which is typically larger than the protein.

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

And to be honest, I think that if someone wants to quit meat, dairy, eggs, etc., they'll be alright, as long as they do the proper research. I actually know a life-long Vegan who is healthier than the average person in general. This person runs marathons, isn't ill often, and just, lives a healthy life with a Vegan diet.

Its only people who go Vegetarian/Vegan with no clue who succumb to all the health problems you hear of, such as malnutrition and vitamin deficiencies.

But how much easier could a healthy diet be if a food group wasn't needlessly excluded? Your average teenage girl probably has enough trouble working out a decent diet without the unnecessary hassle of eliminating a range of highly nutritious foods. Hence why I don't think vegetarianism/veganism should be advocated for in any discussion on making a healthy diet.

[Thirteen]

Originally Posted by Frosty

If she wants to include grains despite the reasons not to for reasons such as enjoying the taste (though grains are pig disgusting on their own IMO) or simply for social reasons, that's her choice, but the original post about grains was advocating she seek out grains as though they are some sort of super-healthy wonderfood.

Yeah, I was agreeing with you. Don't know why you're arguing back with AGREEMENT. Notice...

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

And this is why grains are something to enjoy in moderation. No need to exclude them, but don't rely on them either.

Looks like agreement to me.

Originally Posted by Frosty

But how much easier could a healthy diet be if a food group wasn't needlessly excluded? Your average teenage girl probably has enough trouble working out a decent diet without the unnecessary hassle of eliminating a range of highly nutritious foods. Hence why I don't think vegetarianism/veganism should be advocated for in any discussion on making a healthy diet.

Well honestly, I needed to exclude those things personally. And well, lactose-intolerance is fairly common, especially into your teens and early adulthood, so that may need to be eliminated.

You may say the elimination is needless, but meat is needless too, really. Think about it though, if someone wants to eliminate meats and dairy from their diet, why not at least encourage them to do it right?

Saying one particular diet is the only right one is ridiculous, when you don't HAVE TO include or exclude meat or dairy to be healthy. You can be healthy as long as you eat responsibly, for lack of a better way to put it. Sheerly living on Salad won't do you any good, but having Steak every night is no better.

So if Kitty doesn't want to eat meat based on something, whether animal rights, or something as superficial as appearances or flavour, it's not a problem. Unless she doesn't know how to substitute for that.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

Yeah, I was agreeing with you. Don't know why you're arguing back with AGREEMENT. Notice...

Looks like agreement to me.

Fair enough. I think I just read into what you said an agreement with what i was responding to that wasn't really there.

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

Well honestly, I needed to exclude those things personally.

Though many people don't.

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

And well, lactose-intolerance is fairly common, especially into your teens and early adulthood, so that may need to be eliminated.

And I'm not saying drink milk if you have problems with lactose. Although in that case lactase supplementation could be a viable option.

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

You may say the elimination is needless, but meat is needless too, really. Think about it though, if someone wants to eliminate meats and dairy from their diet, why not at least encourage them to do it right?

The question is why they want to eliminate it. If it's for moral reasons whatever, that's their choice, but if it's for health reasons, they're probably misguided, and if it's for taste reasons, I think food preperation might be something to look at before complete elimination.

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

Saying one particular diet is the only right one is ridiculous, when you don't HAVE TO include or exclude meat or dairy to be healthy. You can be healthy as long as you eat responsibly, for lack of a better way to put it. Sheerly living on Salad won't do you any good, but having Steak every night is no better.

I never said you had to, merely that it can be a beneficial tool.

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

So if Kitty doesn't want to eat meat based on something, whether animal rights, or something as superficial as appearances or flavour, it's not a problem. Unless she doesn't know how to substitute for that.

Which is in itself a pretty big issue. Here we are trying to get a teenage girl to eat right, which is hard enough without throwing "combine x and y so you don't exclude any vital amino acids" when we could just be saying "have some meat".

[Thirteen]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Which is in itself a pretty big issue. Here we are trying to get a teenage girl to eat right, which is hard enough without throwing "combine x and y so you don't exclude any vital amino acids" when we could just be saying "have some meat".

Well you have to balance everything, even meat. If you're an omnivore, and eat too much meat, it can make you sick, or sluggish, or whatever else. You have to balance out the foods you eat to be healthy, whether you're an Omnivore, a Vegetarian, or a Vegan. So if she wants to go the extra mile, and is willing to make sure she gets the right nutrients, I don't see any problem with it at all.

Anyways Kitty, if you're concerned about obtaining certain nutrients, you can usually find various sources for information online. This may help, as well as The Vegan Food Pyramid.

[Kitty.]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Packed with unnecessary carbs, relatively low levels of micronutrients (especially on a per carb level) compared to other foods, particlularly vegetables and fruits as far as plant foods go, and have lots of stuff your body shouldn't have like lectins, gluten and phytates.


Try out new dishes and ways of eating meat then? Ultimately if you can find a way to eat animal products i.e. meat, dairy, eggs you are going to have a far easier time getting the nutrients your body needs, protein most obviously, but also many micronutrients.

I eat whole grains in moderation.
I just don't like the taste, I'm all for animal rights, etc. And really this post is not about trying to tell me to eat meat. The point of this post is to find healthy options for me to where I will get all of my important nutrients. I would really appreciate if you would stay on the topic of this post.

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

Anyways Kitty, if you're concerned about obtaining certain nutrients, you can usually find various sources for information online. This may help, as well as The Vegan Food Pyramid.

Thank you Julz. =)

[Thirteen]

No problem Kitty! And if you have any questions/problems/want recipes, feel free to PM me! I've been finding a fair few "Accidentally Vegan" products, along with learning some really yummy recipes. And I've been getting the hang of the nutrition thing and quick meals as well.

[Kitty.]

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

No problem Kitty! And if you have any questions/problems/want recipes, feel free to PM me! I've been finding a fair few "Accidentally Vegan" products, along with learning some really yummy recipes. And I've been getting the hang of the nutrition thing and quick meals as well.

Awesome! Thank you so much Julz!

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

Well you have to balance everything, even meat. If you're an omnivore, and eat too much meat, it can make you sick, or sluggish, or whatever else.

I always feel pretty good after my 700+ grams of meat for dinner every night .

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

Anyways Kitty, if you're concerned about obtaining certain nutrients, you can usually find various sources for information online. This may help, as well as The Vegan Food Pyramid.

Didn't really look too much into the former link, but the latter and it's grain-based diet doesn't sit too well with me.

Originally Posted by Kitty.

I eat whole grains in moderation.

Just as long as you do so with the knowledge they aren't that great, and that you're eating them because you enjoy them (presumably), and don't go actively seeking them out because someone told you they're some super health food.

Originally Posted by Kitty.

I just don't like the taste, I'm all for animal rights, etc. And really this post is not about trying to tell me to eat meat. The point of this post is to find healthy options for me to where I will get all of my important nutrients. I would really appreciate if you would stay on the topic of this post.

The reason I was so big on the whole animal products thing is that I had no idea why you didn't want to eat them. Since you just don't like them, that's cool, but initially I had no idea whether that was the case, or whether you were just avoiding them because someone had mislead you into believing meat and other animal products don't constitute "healthy eating".

[Thirteen]

Originally Posted by Frosty

I always feel pretty good after my 700+ grams of meat for dinner every night .

I dated a fellow who ate ALOT of meat (though, he also ate fast food at LEAST once a week), and well, he's VERY overweight (like, pretty much obese), has Sleep Apnea, And can barely walk 10 minutes. Same guy almost never saw vegetables. His family had NEVER had Stir-Fry even, until I came along and made some. Don't know if it was all sheer coincidence, though highly unlikely. So yes, too much meat CAN be bad for you.

Originally Posted by Frosty

Didn't really look too much into the former link, but the latter and it's grain-based diet doesn't sit too well with me.

Well it sits well with millions of healthy Vegans/Vegetarians all over the world. So honestly, whether it sits well with you or not is no matter. I seriously doubt you're certified at the World's Top Dietitian.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

I dated a fellow who ate ALOT of meat (though, he also ate fast food at LEAST once a week), and well, he's VERY overweight (like, pretty much obese), has Sleep Apnea, And can barely walk 10 minutes. Same guy almost never saw vegetables. His family had NEVER had Stir-Fry even, until I came along and made some. Don't know if it was all sheer coincidence, though highly unlikely. So yes, too much meat CAN be bad for you.

>Eat obscene amounts of meat
>Exercise regularly
>In good shape
>Low body fat
Feels good man.

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

Well it sits well with millions of healthy Vegans/Vegetarians all over the world. So honestly, whether it sits well with you or not is no matter. I seriously doubt you're certified at the World's Top Dietitian.

Didn't you just agree with me that grains aren't very good? And frankly, the fact that a bunch of people manage to get by on it is no matter either as far as I'm concerned.

[Thirteen]

Originally Posted by Frosty

>Eat obscene amounts of meat
>Exercise regularly
>In good shape
>Low body fat
Feels good man.

And yet, don't want to scare you or anything, but not everyone is the same.

Originally Posted by Frosty

Didn't you just agree with me that grains aren't very good? And frankly, the fact that a bunch of people manage to get by on it is no matter either as far as I'm concerned.

I said that grains should be consumed IN MODERATION. And thats what you said which I agreed with. And when you look at the pyramid, consider that a bowl of cereal, some cooked grains (like, a bowl of rice), and a slice or two of bread isn't excessive. Thats like having cereal and fruit for breakfast, maybe a sandwich with veggies and soy meat for lunch, and some vegetables rice for dinner. Doesn't sound excessive to me.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

And yet, don't want to scare you or anything, but not everyone is the same.

Well yeah, different in many other aspects of lifestyle, which was sort of ignored by the conclusion lots of meat makes you fat.

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

I said that grains should be consumed IN MODERATION. And thats what you said which I agreed with.

Actually my point originally was that you shouldn't consume grains. What I later agreed on was that if she really likes grains, she can go ahead and eat them, but in doing so she should remember they are merely a treat, not something healthy she should be actively trying to eat.

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

And when you look at the pyramid, consider that a bowl of cereal, some cooked grains (like, a bowl of rice), and a slice or two of bread isn't excessive. Thats like having cereal and fruit for breakfast, maybe a sandwich with veggies and soy meat for lunch, and some vegetables rice for dinner. Doesn't sound excessive to me.

Granted I didn't focus too much on the portion sizes initially, although note that all the other serving sizes are equally small in that pyramid, so the fact the grain servings are small doesn't change the fact that this pyramid is advocating eating more grains than any other individual food group.

EDIT: If she did follow that pyramid I think it should also be noted that whole fruits and vegetables are going to be much better for her than the equivalent amount of calories in juice form, despite both forms being placed on the same level.

[Thirteen]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Actually my point originally was that you shouldn't consume grains. What I later agreed on was that if she really likes grains, she can go ahead and eat them, but in doing so she should remember they are merely a treat, not something healthy she should be actively trying to eat.

See, the original thing I had agreed along with says...

Originally Posted by ☣ ArcAngel ☣

And this is why grains are something to enjoy in moderation. No need to exclude them, but don't rely on them either.

Originally Posted by Frosty

Granted I didn't focus too much on the portion sizes initially, although note that all the other serving sizes are equally small in that pyramid, so the fact the grain servings are small doesn't change the fact that this pyramid is advocating eating more grains than any other individual food group.

EDIT: If she did follow that pyramid I think it should also be noted that whole fruits and vegetables are going to be much better for her than the equivalent amount of calories in juice form, despite both forms being placed on the same level.

Because Grains are filling, and help to complete and compliment proteins. In fact, this explains it.

And well, I don't think they mean your run-of-the-mill Sunny D for juice. V8 Fusions Juice, for one, has 2 servings of fruit/vegetables per glass.

[Bibliophile]

Hey there.

Firstly, can we try not to turn this thread into a debate and keep on topic. There's a guide here to healthy eating (click). Can you drink soya milk at all? There's always quarn and other meat alternatives, if you want to eat these.