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I am surrounded by idiots - September 22nd 2013, 04:11 PM

I am 14 and getting closer to 15, I go to a private school, I get pretty good grade and so do many of the kids here, however they are idiots when it comes to life outside the school or their little world. Is this normal? I love my history classes and i have talking about the goverment and current news. However MOST if not all my friends have no idea what is going on around them. I have this one girl that is loves Obama, now if she does thats ok. But I try to find out way and get nothing smart back. I tell her how he allowed more people to be killed in his 5 years than Bush and she was like "but he doing it from his heart, he isnt evil". Now I am not a Bush supporter either. I see myself as Libertarian. But its not just news and the world. I am a atheist and 99% of the school believe in god. However if I try to debate the topic they know NOTHING. They cant even debate the issue they are supporting. I bring up stuff from the bible and they have no idea what i am talking about. They follow and believe is something they have never read. It drives me FUCKING CRAZY!!!!!! Why are they all so in the dark about anything that is NOT Justin Bieber, Katie Perry or who one some show the night before! Is it just my school! Please tell me it is! Please tell me the world isn't like this!

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Re: I am surrounded by idiots - September 22nd 2013, 04:48 PM

^ Best description of today's schools.

I have 20 girls in my class, and 4 guys, including me. Like 2 or 3 people are capable of a normal talk, what wouldn't make me want to bitch at them. Whenever you walk into the class and see all this grim faces you just want to leave right away. Intelligent people are dying species. We should protect them as much as possible
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Re: I am surrounded by idiots - September 22nd 2013, 06:12 PM

Glad, but its sad, to see its not just me and my school


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Re: I am surrounded by idiots - September 22nd 2013, 06:38 PM

Hi,
I am not thinking it is just your school. There are other schools that are like this in the world.
You have to look at where they come from, how their parents raised them etc.
They may be "in the dark" about certain things having to do with the culture of society because of their parents only allowing them to watch certain shows, limited news sources and read certain books/magazines.
They probably do not debate with you about their religious beliefs or what the Bible says because they may not be debating type of people and also because if they have always grown up with religion, the most complex explanation they may be able to form is that they believe because God does exist and because He is all they know.
While this is frustrating, I believe in order to understand them from their standpoint, if they have never been exposed to things outside of their religion and only live what they have been taught by family and others close to them, they may not be able to form other opinions or critically think through things to understand that they can make a choice and form their own ideas, beliefs and explanations as to why they think and believe how they do.
I go to a private college where a majority of the students here are Christians, however there are other students here that are not and the only reason they are here is because of their parents, is that right? No, but it is how it is. Some of them may not be comfortable debating with you also because they may share the same viewpoints however they may not want to offend those around you or get in trouble with the teachers. You probably will find that there are other students at your school that think like you do even if they do not necessarily show it, everyone questions religion at some point (that is my belief anyways).


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Re: I am surrounded by idiots - September 22nd 2013, 11:01 PM

thanks, good points but some of these people think The Big Bang Theory is a funny show! how can i be around people that laugh at that show!

My school is a Christians school, i only go here cause my parents make me but to be fair its a far better school than public schools around here and i am 2-3 grades ahead of what i would be in public school. so i dont get upset at my parents. they are doing what is best for me


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Re: I am surrounded by idiots - September 23rd 2013, 12:18 AM

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thanks, good points but some of these people think The Big Bang Theory is a funny show! how can i be around people that laugh at that show!

My school is a Christians school, i only go here cause my parents make me but to be fair its a far better school than public schools around here and i am 2-3 grades ahead of what i would be in public school. so i dont get upset at my parents. they are doing what is best for me

I cannot answer that question because I have never watched that show. However, everyone likes different things and this also goes back to how they are being/were raised. If they were raised in a home where such things are seen as not true or as fake, then their reactions would be understandable due to their life circumstances.


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Re: I am surrounded by idiots - September 23rd 2013, 01:23 AM

You're going to meet ignorant people wherever you go. It's not a "teen" thing or a "Christian" thing... it's an "everyone" thing! Unfortunately, not everyone has the desire to become educated. You could offer information to them on a silver platter, and they would still choose ignorance. You have two options: let it get under your skin, or find people who have a desire to learn more about current events and explore philosophical issues.

I attended a private Christian school for five years, and I myself am a Christian. I met a lot of ignorant people while I was a student there, but can you blame the kids when their parents shelter them? I've seen many of my friends from that old school go through a "culture shock" upon graduating, but over time, they began to adjust and developed a thirst for knowledge about the world around them. I can tell you that even in the post-college years, many people can't defend their viewpoints. Ironically, some of the most ignorant people I've met are atheists - they incorrectly paraphrase Bible verses and have poor understandings of other religions. And yes, many Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc. are surprisingly ignorant about the underlying principles behind their religious beliefs.

Again, what I want to emphasize is that wherever you go, however old you are, and whatever other people's beliefs may be, you'll meet ignorant people. Get used to it, because you don't want to find yourself pulling out fistfuls of hair every day. =P





   
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Re: I am surrounded by idiots - September 23rd 2013, 01:55 AM

I actually feel that most people in my class are pretty smart.
We're a school that mainly focuses on philosophy though.
I see a curiously philosophical quote by Garfield, life quotes on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and I think to myself, everyone's smart or atleast knows the heavy stuff.


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Re: I am surrounded by idiots - September 24th 2013, 11:10 PM

I agree with you on some aspects - many people I have met know next to nothing about why they believe what they believe (I am a Christian, by the way, so keep that in mind), however, I try and understand why and how and such, as these things interest me. It could be the reason that peers seem to be ignorant - they have no interest.

Also, from what it sounds like, the people at your school have not had to worry about figuring things out for themselves, as they have been told what to believe in regards to Christianity. They don't ever usually have the need to explain their viewpoints, as everyone (or, almost everyone) around them appears to believe the same thing. Like I would not find out why 2+2=4, if everyone around me believes it too, as there is no point, or seemingly no point (rubbish example, I know)

I think that they're so in the dark partly because of the media - everything Justin Beiber or Katy Perry or other equally famous celebrities are always on display. It's not very often that in the standard media you see theological debates, or new theories being presented, or such like that. I don't know why, I would prefer it that way
   
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Re: I am surrounded by idiots - September 26th 2013, 02:58 AM

It probably won't get that much better. I find that people tend to blindly love a subject in politics. I went to one of the largest universities in 2008 and people blindly loved Obama there. I also saw on TH back then that people blindly loved Obama too.

Actually, The Big Bang Theory is a very funny show.

Have you considered it is how you come off towards people? I noticed in a religious threads you became almost abusive to a guy who posted his opinion regarding what happened when people die because you wanted your question answered a certain way without being very specific. It is a huge turn off in debating people and they may simply give up rather than try to enter a meaningless debate with someone who will not even consider their opinion or think about what they are saying.
   
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Re: I am surrounded by idiots - September 26th 2013, 04:09 AM

So because they like Obama, Big Bang Theory and don't read the bible they're idiots?

I'm sorry but what the....

You picked certain topics and those topics decide a persons intelligence? My mother works for the British government, passed her exams with flying colours, is a well educated lady and has absolutely NO interest in politics or reading the bible, is she an idiot too? She also records The Big Bang Theory.

What about me? I'm in my second year at university doing animal care learning pharmacology, anatomy & physiology of several species, parasitology, forensics, diagnostics and been accepted into my 3rd year to do Bioscience & Zoology, I don't follow politics, I have no interest in it, I have little to none interest in history apart from Egypt & WWII, I love The Big Bang Theory, I even have several t-shirts from it. Am I an idiot?

Richard Branson, Alan Sugar - these guys dropped out or had little to no qualifications and are multi millionaire business tycoons - are they idiots?

I also disagree with people also commenting on this calling your classmates "ignorant", we all have different strengths and weakness's, I am a whizz kid in computers and English but absolutely god awful at maths, am I an idiot? We all have different interests, your not going to meet people and expect them to be as perfect as you. I personally think it's your attitude that's the problem, I completely agree with Sarasa.

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Re: I am surrounded by idiots - September 27th 2013, 02:06 AM

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So because they like Obama, Big Bang Theory and don't read the bible they're idiots?
Now they are 'idiots' of those topics, not idiots about everything. I am a idiot about somethings and not others. But also, they shouldnt take a the Current Events class if they dont know about Obama or news. They shoulnd't preach to me about god and following his laws when they cant tell me why. As for Big Bang, that was a joke. However I will admit that i have watched it a few times and did not get it at all


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Re: I am surrounded by idiots - September 27th 2013, 12:02 PM

You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think.

How about *dun duuuun* trying to accept people as they are? As an exercise in altruism. As you're more intelligent than them, or whatever, perhaps try to see people less as projects that need to change and line up with your world view, and more as people with their own strengths and weaknesses.

There are less educated people everywhere and more educated people as well. Some people are ignorant by choice, some people are ignorant because nobody's given them the chance to walk around with their eyes open.

If you need intellectually stimulating conversation, may I suggest joining an extra-curricular group? There are conversation groups in most communities.

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Re: I am surrounded by idiots - September 27th 2013, 03:31 PM

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Now they are 'idiots' of those topics, not idiots about everything. I am a idiot about somethings and not others. But also, they shouldnt take a the Current Events class if they dont know about Obama or news. They shoulnd't preach to me about god and following his laws when they cant tell me why. As for Big Bang, that was a joke. However I will admit that i have watched it a few times and did not get it at all

What if the class is required? What if they do want to become more aware of these things? What if they believe for reasons they are unable to explain in a few seconds or minutes?
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Re: I am surrounded by idiots - September 28th 2013, 01:27 AM

I'm right with ya! I'm very aware of my surroundings and what's going on in the world. However, everyone at my school are so sheltered by their parents that it seems that our current world is being taught to stay obedient and to be a follower. To not think or speak your own mind. To think that any time a person is in a position of power is always right (which is NOT always true, for example Hitler - person in a HIGH position of authority back in his day, but had the WRONG ideology.)


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Re: I am surrounded by idiots - September 28th 2013, 10:38 AM

I'd imagine celebrity gossip is a more common interest amongst fourteen and fifteen year olds than current events and politics. While I, myself, have always had more of an interest in intellectual areas and have been concerned with what's going on in the news and around me, the truth is that, quite frankly, most teenagers (and a large number of adults, mind you) do not care. It doesn't make those people idiots, nor does you having an interest in those things make you in any way unusual. I suggest you simply leave those people to their own devices, and maybe try looking for an extra-curricular group in your school or community for your interests.

EDIT: Oh, and the Big Bang Theory is hilarious. Cheer up, love, you remind me of Sheldon.

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Re: I am surrounded by idiots - September 29th 2013, 06:55 AM

Just to provide some clarification...

"Ignorant: lacking knowledge or awareness; uneducated or unsophisticated."

No one is saying these people are idiots. That would be completely different from saying they are ignorant. A person can be ignorant about many things, and not be an idiot. I think what the OP is complaining about is their ignorance about topics they support. The OP cannot seem to comprehend how, for example, a person can support Obama and/or Christianity and not be able to defend WHY they support Obama and/or Christianity. No one is saying these people are idiots because they fail to understand everything there is to know in the world. They are simply ignorant about topics they probably shouldn't be ignorant about.

I would like to ask that everyone refrain from name-calling on TeenHelp, as that is against TeenHelp's Code of Conduct. The OP is seeking support/advice, and there are ways to offer it without being aggressive, hateful, offensive, etc. toward the OP and/or other members of TeenHelp.





   
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Re: I am surrounded by idiots - October 1st 2013, 12:59 PM

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2 points I'd like to make:

First of all, there are topics that some of us generally avoid to keep things simple and easygoing, especially among those who we meet regularly.

Take myself as an example, I would avoid getting into debates regarding religion and politics with my family, friends, and co-workers; I would feign ignorant if needed. If I somehow become tangled into one, then I would end it as soon as I realized it.

These debates rarely result in anything but bitterness, and frankly neither side could win. It neither worth the effort nor the risk. This could be the case for OP's friends. They simply don't want to debate them.

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Re: I am surrounded by idiots - October 2nd 2013, 05:16 AM

Guy getting some PM from others that read this and believe i am saying i am smarter and better than the other other kids. That was not my point, I am sure to them I dumb cause it cant name all kardashians, or i cant tell you who sung what song on Glee.

I was not trying to say they are idiots for believing what they do, I was saying they come off as idiots on some topics. I shouldnt even have made the religious point cause that one was just one example of it and not a big issue.

I guess in short, looking back on this, is why am i so different? I hate what everyone else likes, and i never fit in with them cause i dont know who Kim kardashians is, or i cant tell you the latest Justin Bieber so. To me that stuff does not matter but i guess what matters to me, is dumb to them.

As for that Big Bang Show, OMG, if you like it great, i cant get it. I would LOVE to watch it with someone that does, cause everyone says its funny. Then again I use to love 30 Rock and The Office but my friends thought it was dumb. So who is the say.

Again, for the ones messages me, i did not mean as i am smarter than them, i just mean. Sorry it was taking like that by some


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Re: I am surrounded by idiots - October 2nd 2013, 05:31 AM

Welcome to life, as a great man once said. "A Person is smart, but People are dumb."
The reason you don't like the same stuff that other people do, is because you're different. There's nothing wrong with it, some people like black as their favorite color, others like pink. It's the world, have fun with it.


   
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