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man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 6th 2009, 10:50 PM

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A Salem man was arrested Tuesday for putting an electric dog collar on each of his four children and shocking them.
Todd Marcum, 41, said he did it "because he thought it was funny," Salem Police Lt. Dave Okada said.
The four children, ages 3, 6, 8 and 9, had been shocked while wearing the collar at least once, according to a statement from their father, Okada said.
Marcum told police that he would chase the 3-year-old boy around with the collar, making him cry at the thought of being shocked. Okada said that because of the boy's behavior, it is likely that the children were shocked more than once.
Oregon Department of Human Services workers on Tuesday summoned police to Marcum's Salem home.
Marcum was taken into custody on four charges of first-degree criminal mistreatment. He is in the Marion County jail.
The four children were left in the custody of their mother, Okada said. The case has been handed over to DHS.
Dog shock collars are used in training and to control barking, said John Seroczynski, the national sales manager for D.T. Systems.
The Dallas, Texas, company manufactures the electronic collars.
It is unknown whether the collar used on the children was made by D.T. Systems.
"There's not one collar made today that can actually burn a dog or a person," Seroczynski said.
Most collars are powered by a 9-volt battery and don't produce a large enough shock to injure a person, he said. Seroczynski said it was not likely that the children were seriously injured.
"He definitely would not have hurt them to the point that it would have damaged any organs or caused them to be hospitalized," he said.
The charge of one collar is less powerful than that of a Taser, such as the kind used by police, he said.
Seroczynski said the collars are not to be used on humans.
"Regardless of what your kids are like, it's sure not going to cure any behavioral problems," he said. "Bottom line is, what he did was dead wrong."

i do not think that is funny. they need to shock him.


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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 6th 2009, 10:54 PM

whoa. intense.

Especially because the kids were so young. Future mental issues were probably caused.

Though- I was watching Maury today about out of control teens... I'd like to put a shock collar on them
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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 6th 2009, 10:56 PM

That's horrible - what a moron!
That just brings me to say...if it hurts the kids so bad then why is it okay to hurt dogs in the same way?
Those should collars be gotten rid of for good.


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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 6th 2009, 11:07 PM

That's not funny at all. Chasing a 3 year old around with a threat of being shocked, to the point where he was crying? That is horrible, and probably caused some psychological problems. Granted, my friend has a shock collar and we've all tried it once, because it is rather funny in certain situations - and it really does only give you a little jolt. But these kids were way too young to understand that, and their dad was forcing it on them. That's just not right at all.


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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 6th 2009, 11:14 PM

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Most collars are powered by a 9-volt battery and don't produce a large enough shock to injure a person, he said. Seroczynski said it was not likely that the children were seriously injured.
"He definitely would not have hurt them to the point that it would have damaged any organs or caused them to be hospitalized," he said.
Well it seems to have not been too physically damaging. As for the psychological problems, they'll probably have a dog-shock-collar phobia and perhaps some other disorders. It could be seen as rather funny, although to me, having a 3-year old cry endlessly over the collar would be funny at first but afterward, the crying would just annoy me, so the father must have a good amount of patience or a nice sense of humour.
   
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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 6th 2009, 11:17 PM

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Well it seems to have not been too physically damaging. As for the psychological problems, they'll probably have a dog-shock-collar phobia and perhaps some other disorders. It could be seen as rather funny, although to me, having a 3-year old cry endlessly over the collar would be funny at first but afterward, the crying would just annoy me, so the father must have a good amount of patience or a nice sense of humour.
Agree. They aren't damaging. I mean, people use these on small dogs so they can't harm a person but so much. When I was younger, I went through all the levels on one to prove I could.

However, I think it is horrible that a man was using it on his children. This is the second case of this lately.


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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 7th 2009, 12:02 AM

I prefer that these aren't used on dogs, but on children, it's just ridiculous. It's not criminal mistreatment, it's called child abuse.


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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 12th 2009, 04:52 AM

Ugh. I wouldn't even use one of those on a dog. That man is just a sadistic asshole. Who wants to do that to their own children? Especially so young?


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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 12th 2009, 05:04 AM

He obviously has some sort of mental problems because thats just sick. He thought terrifying his young children with a shock collar was funny? Fucking christ. Some people obviously should NOT be having children in their care.


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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 12th 2009, 05:07 AM

I've heard about people (or a person, I suppose) doing this in the past. It's awful. I'll never understand child abuse. :/



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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 12th 2009, 05:26 AM

I wouldn't use one on a dog, let alone a toddler. Some people should not have children. Child abuse disgusts me.


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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 12th 2009, 10:52 AM

whether its damaging or not isn't really the issue, the idea of it is just wrong in the first place. sure, its not going to permanently physically damage them, but psychologically it won't do them any favours. poor kids.


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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 12th 2009, 01:15 PM

I refuse to let people use those things on their dogs near me, would probably lose my damn mind if someone used on a kid near me....but there are several people in my class that I wouldn't mind using one on....


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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 13th 2009, 12:36 PM

That's really sad, i feel bad for the children.
I don't think these things should be used on dogs, nevermind young kids!


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having a 3-year old cry endlessly over the collar would be funny at first but afterward, the crying would just annoy me, so the father must have a good amount of patience or a nice sense of humour.

I don't think the father has any patience, that's probably why he used this, instead of parenting his kids in the first place.
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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 13th 2009, 12:54 PM

I think its terrible to use it on poor innocent little kids.

But honestly there are a few kids I know who could use a shock collar to keep them in line. Then they might actually actually start to behave.
Not saying its a good idea or anything. But seriously it might work on them.
   
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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 14th 2009, 01:00 PM

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I don't think the father has any patience, that's probably why he used this, instead of parenting his kids in the first place.
And explain to me,please, how is that funny?
I think the father does have some patience. If he had no patience then I'm doubting he'd still have the kids.

In order to understand why it's funny, you have to share my sense of humour, which from what I can tell already, you don't. But, I'll try to explain anyways. I found the image of a big bad father with a shock collar running after the kid, with the kid more or less shitting their pants screaming, to be rather funny. I'm sure this doesn't answer the question fully, but unless you find pain and humiliation of others to be funny, then you won't get this.

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I think its terrible to use it on poor innocent little kids.

But honestly there are a few kids I know who could use a shock collar to keep them in line. Then they might actually actually start to behave.
Not saying its a good idea or anything. But seriously it might work on them.
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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 14th 2009, 11:35 PM

What an idiot! I don't understand how anyone would think that would be a good idea. Kids are usually loud, it's natural, so why not just let them be. They should put a collar around him and see how he likes it...moron.


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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 16th 2009, 03:07 PM

In this case im against it.

But really for me it depends which kids and what they are doing.
like for example if they are old enough to know better and are still causing trouble and being annoying then i see no problem using the collar trying to control them.

But really I guess since its kinda ilegal its not a good idea. I just think it would be funny to see it used on the idiots in my class who cause trouble and be stupid all the time.
   
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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 20th 2009, 12:43 AM

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My opinion...if you aren't allowed to do it to people then you shouldn't be allowed to do it to animals. What this guy did was clearly cruel but is no more cruel than sticking one on a dog.
   
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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 20th 2009, 08:21 PM

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I found the image of a big bad father with a shock collar running after the kid, with the kid more or less shitting their pants screaming, to be rather funny. I'm sure this doesn't answer the question fully, but unless you find pain and humiliation of others to be funny, then you won't get this
You do not exactly have a nice sense of humour, in my opinion, if you think THAT is funny. I don't see how other peoples pain and humiliation is funny. Have you ever hear of a thing called empathy? I guess not.

I find this disgusting, I couldn't even IMAGINE wanting to do this to any child let alone my own. I certainly wouldn't find it, in any way, funny. I am against using them full stop, whether it is on animals or humans or whatever, it is cruel.


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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 20th 2009, 09:33 PM

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You do not exactly have a nice sense of humour, in my opinion, if you think THAT is funny. I don't see how other peoples pain and humiliation is funny. Have you ever hear of a thing called empathy? I guess not.

I find this disgusting, I couldn't even IMAGINE wanting to do this to any child let alone my own. I certainly wouldn't find it, in any way, funny. I am against using them full stop, whether it is on animals or humans or whatever, it is cruel.
Yes I have heard of empathy, thank you for your unnecessarily sarcastic remark. I don't see how people find reality shows like American Idol or Survivor to be interesting in any way, shape or form, so we each have our own opinions on interest and humour.
   
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I don't see how people find reality shows like American Idol or Survivor to be interesting in any way, shape or form, so we each have our own opinions on interest and humour.
Yes but this is a bit different don't you think....

Different interests around TV programmes, you can hardly compare it to thinking it is funny to shock your own children with a dog collar


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Re: man shocks his children with a dog collar - May 25th 2009, 04:46 AM

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Yes but this is a bit different don't you think....

Different interests around TV programmes, you can hardly compare it to thinking it is funny to shock your own children with a dog collar
Same thing to me. Each person has their own entertainment to watch, for some it's comedy, for others it's horror, for others it's abuse, etc... .
   
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