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Paedophilia - May 9th 2009, 04:47 PM

This topic could become triggering, as it is such a touchy subject. I've had this discussion with many people, and wanted to get the greater TH's opinion on the subject.
Paedophilia is defined as the act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children. What I want to know, is if you find all paedophiles wrong? Personally, I see paedophilia, the act, wrong. But these people cannot help who they are attracted to, can they? For instance, I'm sure homosexual people will tell you they can't help who they are attracted to, it's part of who they are.
Should all paedophiles be punished? Or just those who act upon their feelings?
The fantasies, well they are fantasies, and should stay that way, but frankly, I find nothing wrong with them.
How would your feelings change if you spoke to someone who told you they were a paedophile, but had never, and will never act upon those feelings. Would you feel the same around them? I understand the fear if you have children, but as a person, could you see beyond their sexual preference and see the person underneath?

I'm purely curious as to people's opinions on this subject, I am not condoning the act of paedophilia, nor am I condemning the fantasies of paedophiles.


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Re: Paedophilia - May 9th 2009, 04:54 PM

I'm a pedophile, so I'm biased. But I see NO reason why I should be punished for my thoughts. Sure, I like children, but I haven't done anything, and won't do anything to a kid. Just like gay people don't CHOOSE to be gay, I don't CHOOSE to be a pedophile, so I shouldn't be punished for it.




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Re: Paedophilia - May 9th 2009, 04:57 PM

No, I think that there is mass hysteria about paedophiles because people do not fully understand it. The media has a habit of using the word "paedophile" when they should instead be using the phrase "child molester", there is a large difference between the two things which most people do not understand.

I do not think all peadophiles should be punished, only those who act on their attraction by (a) molesting a kid or (b) viewing material which, during the making of the material, caused a kid to come to harm. Paedophiles should be allowed to fantasize as much as they like and also should be allowed acces to simulated paedophillic material in order to allow them some release for their desires.

If a person told me they were a paedophile, or had paedophillic tendancies, I would probably treat them quite differently for a while until I got used to the idea. I would also probably adopt a "better safe than sorry" policy around my kids (if/when I have any), I wouldn't stop them seeing my kids but just wouldn't leave them alone with him/her for long stretches at a time. However, yes I could certainly see past the attraction and see them as a person, they can't help who they are attracted to so what right would I have to judge them for it?
   
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Re: Paedophilia - May 9th 2009, 05:00 PM

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This topic could become triggering, as it is such a touchy subject. I've had this discussion with many people, and wanted to get the greater TH's opinion on the subject.
Paedophilia is defined as the act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children. What I want to know, is if you find all paedophiles wrong? Personally, I see paedophilia, the act, wrong. But these people cannot help who they are attracted to, can they? For instance, I'm sure homosexual people will tell you they can't help who they are attracted to, it's part of who they are.
Should all paedophiles be punished? Or just those who act upon their feelings?
The fantasies, well they are fantasies, and should stay that way, but frankly, I find nothing wrong with them.
How would your feelings change if you spoke to someone who told you they were a paedophile, but had never, and will never act upon those feelings. Would you feel the same around them? I understand the fear if you have children, but as a person, could you see beyond their sexual preference and see the person underneath?

I'm purely curious as to people's opinions on this subject, I am not condoning the act of paedophilia, nor am I condemning the fantasies of paedophiles.
Paedophilia, in my opinion, is not like homosexuality. Homosexuality should involve two adults. Paedophilia, on the other hand, cannot possibly be understood by both parties involved because it involves at least one child. And if I can add to the definition of paedophilia, (this is something I learned from watching How to Catch a Predator.) Sex with underage teens is not paedophilia. Paedophilia only technically involves very young children, like under the age of twelve.

So...having sex with a kid who is under the age of twelve is disgusting. They can't possibly understand all the consequences at the time. Especially if the kid is a girl who started her period earlier than the average time, there's a lot of danger. And who wants to be under twelve years old and contract syphilis?!

Simulated content for paedophiles is a good idea, so they can get release without harming anyone. I'm not against paedophiles, because I know it's not a choice who you're attracted to. But when there are children involved, the act is disgusting.

EDIT: I want to clarify that when I say simulated content, I do NOT mean child porn. I mean computer simulations where no real children were involved in the making.


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Re: Paedophilia - May 9th 2009, 06:17 PM

I don't think the people themselves are wrong if that is honestly who they are attracted to. If they're doing stuff to kids just for the power or whatever else, it is totally not okay. As for people who are seriously attracted to kids, I don't think they can help this and therefore it's not as wrong. HOWEVER, what is wrong is when they act on this attraction. I feel bad for them that they can't do anything with those they are most attracted to, but it's far worse that a child would have to deal with going through that. So, if they do act on it, I think that they still should be punished.


   
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Re: Paedophilia - May 9th 2009, 06:18 PM

My thoughts on the subject are more or less the same as Jack's. I don't believe pedophilia is wrong so long as the person is not acting on his/her fantasies. Once those fantasies are acted upon, however, that's where I draw the line between 'ok' and 'wrong'.

If a pedophile acts on the fantasies, I don't believe the punishment should be the same as it would for a child molester. As others have said, pedophilia is like homosexuality, it's not something you can turn on and off like a light switch. Now, I'm not saying to let a pedophile walk free after harming a child but they should have access to help if they're wanting to change, they should be able to seek help with not acting on any fantasies instead of being locked away, or else upon their release, they very well may continue to harm children because they were denied help.



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Re: Paedophilia - May 9th 2009, 06:22 PM

The thought about paedophilia being played out scares me but. If you're only having fantasies we all have them. I see nothing wrong with it/


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Re: Paedophilia - May 9th 2009, 06:32 PM

When it comes to paedophilia, people need to think about the safety of the child; however people's ideas about paedophilia have got to change, particularly the idea that paedophilia is "lower" than rape. I think it should be easier for potential paedophiles to recieve care - after all it's for the benefit of both.
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Re: Paedophilia - May 9th 2009, 06:38 PM

I don't see a problem as long as they are only thoughts but its crossing the line from fanasty to actually doing the act.


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Re: Paedophilia - May 9th 2009, 08:44 PM

I think there is a huge difference between pedophilia and homosexuality. As Lorelei said, pedophilia involes a child whose mind does not fully comphrend that the relationship [whether sexual or not] is wrong.

If you want to fantasize about children, then I guess to each his own. But the moment you lay a hand on a child, prepare to face the consequences.




   
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Re: Paedophilia - May 9th 2009, 08:48 PM

No, I mean, it's the same as homosexuality in the fact that you don't choose to be a pedophile.




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Re: Paedophilia - May 9th 2009, 08:56 PM

I think that people can fantasize about some really weird shit. There's all kinds of pornography out there...and child pornography, from my understanding, is the only type of pornography that is illegal in the US. Honestly, if you can watch a 10-minute video of a woman having sex with a horse, which I think is animal cruelty even IF she's got the body of a Goddess, then I think that child pornography should be made legal AS LONG AS it's not involving actual children. Maybe make some kind of animated porn video, or use a 30-year old midget to role-play as a child.

In today's society, being attracted to an attractive teacher or parent is NORMAL and widely accepted. God knows how many teachers I've wanted to have sex with right then and there, but it never happened because most teachers want to keep their jobs and their reputation. At one point, I was actually taking pictures of my attractive teacher's asses and putting them in a photoblog on the internet. I took a picture right in front of the class! I dealt with that kind of stuff watching porn.


My point being: Paedophiles need some satisfaction too. People in the closet can be secretly gay, people who are animal LOVERS!!!! can be animal LOVERS!!!!, so why can't people who fantasize about children at LEAST get some piece of the pie as well?

With that being said...I don't mind paedophiles, as long as they don't mind keeping their hands to themselves and not on other children. If they put their hands on other children and/or post it on the internet, then justice needs to deal with them. As for paedophiles being around my children (when I actually have children...), I think it's also best to be "safe than sorry". But typically, you wouldn't trust a complete stranger with your child anyway so it's not a personal attack on paedophiles.
   
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Re: Paedophilia - May 9th 2009, 09:04 PM

no, child porn should not be legal. I know not that many pedophiles that would like child porn. It hurts the kid.

And I thought that porn with animals was illegal...




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Re: Paedophilia - May 9th 2009, 09:22 PM

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No, I think that there is mass hysteria about paedophiles because people do not fully understand it. The media has a habit of using the word "paedophile" when they should instead be using the phrase "child molester", there is a large difference between the two things which most people do not understand.

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If a person told me they were a paedophile, or had paedophillic tendancies, I would probably treat them quite differently for a while until I got used to the idea. I would also probably adopt a "better safe than sorry" policy around my kids (if/when I have any), I wouldn't stop them seeing my kids but just wouldn't leave them alone with him/her for long stretches at a time. However, yes I could certainly see past the attraction and see them as a person, they can't help who they are attracted to so what right would I have to judge them for it?
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Re: Paedophilia - May 9th 2009, 10:27 PM

There is actually a service, I can't think for the life of me what the actual organisation is actually called though, which supports people who have paedophilic thoughts. I think more needs to be done to highlight that having such thoughts and fantasises isn’t a crime, because not only does it raise that awareness, but to some degree it also prevents a number of children from being harmed.

Having said that, I do still find it hard to accept. I know in my head that it isn’t a crime and that doesn’t make up the whole person, but I can’t genuinely put my hand on my heart and say that I would feel 100% comfortable around someone who told me they had these thoughts. I know I have gone back on what I have said here, but with an abusive past I personally wouldn’t feel safe within myself.
   
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Re: Paedophilia - May 9th 2009, 11:02 PM

As most have already said, I think pedophilia itself is okay but molesting children is definitely not okay.

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My thoughts on the subject are more or less the same as Jack's. I don't believe pedophilia is wrong so long as the person is not acting on his/her fantasies. Once those fantasies are acted upon, however, that's where I draw the line between 'ok' and 'wrong'.

If a pedophile acts on the fantasies, I don't believe the punishment should be the same as it would for a child molester. As others have said, pedophilia is like homosexuality, it's not something you can turn on and off like a light switch. Now, I'm not saying to let a pedophile walk free after harming a child but they should have access to help if they're wanting to change, they should be able to seek help with not acting on any fantasies instead of being locked away, or else upon their release, they very well may continue to harm children because they were denied help.
They should have got help BEFORE they hurt an innocent child. Having a sexual desire towards someone/something does not give you any more of a right to rape them. They chose not to get help and to go an act on their urges, so they deserve the same punishment as any other predator.


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Re: Paedophilia - May 9th 2009, 11:51 PM

Like Jack said, I also think that the terms 'pedophile' and 'child molester' are used interchangeably when they should not be. Just like being homosexual doesn't automatically make someone a rapist, and being into bestiality doesn't automatically make someone an animal abuser, pedophilia doesn't make people go out and assault children. I think in general, most people have some really extreme fantasies that they would never admit to anyone else. And as long as illegal acts like having sex with children remain fantasies, they are not a danger to anyone.

That being said, I'm slightly hypocritical about the whole thing. I strongly feel that people should be able to fantasize about what they want, but if I found out that someone I knew had these thoughts, I would probably be uncomfortable with it. To me, thoughts of young children in a sexual capacity are disturbing.


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Like Jack said, I also think that the terms 'pedophile' and 'child molester' are used interchangeably when they should not be. Just like being homosexual doesn't automatically make someone a rapist, and being into bestiality doesn't automatically make someone an animal abuser, pedophilia doesn't make people go out and assault children. I think in general, most people have some really extreme fantasies that they would never admit to anyone else. And as long as illegal acts like having sex with children remain fantasies, they are not a danger to anyone.

That being said, I'm slightly hypocritical about the whole thing. I strongly feel that people should be able to fantasize about what they want, but if I found out that someone I knew had these thoughts, I would probably be uncomfortable with it. To me, thoughts of young children in a sexual capacity are disturbing.
yeah, I understand that. So long that you'd get over it eventually. It's not my fault that I have fantasies and I shouldn't be punished, legally or socially, for having fantasies.




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Re: Paedophilia - May 10th 2009, 03:07 AM

Peadophiles cannot help who they are attarcted too.
Someone in the paper asked about his problem, that he finds children attractive.
People were saying hes sick and that he should be locked up.
Its wrong, hes looking for a solution!! He isnt acting upon it therefore he isnt a Peadophile in my eyes.
   
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Re: Paedophilia - May 10th 2009, 03:12 AM

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Peadophiles cannot help who they are attarcted too.
Someone in the paper asked about his problem, that he finds children attractive.
People were saying hes sick and that he should be locked up.
Its wrong, hes looking for a solution!! He isnt acting upon it therefore he isnt a Peadophile in my eyes.
He's still a pedophile. Just not one that's done anything yet.




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Re: Paedophilia - May 10th 2009, 03:16 AM

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He's still a pedophile. Just not one that's done anything yet.
Not in my eyes, until he/she has touched an underage child in 'that way' then they are not.

They are just a normal human being who have...slightly weird fantasies

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Re: Paedophilia - May 10th 2009, 03:22 AM

I am a pedophile in all senses of the APA definition of one except for age. The APA defines pedophilia as the act or INTENSE, RECURRENT FANTASIES of sex with a child. I'm not denying it all.




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Re: Paedophilia - May 10th 2009, 03:27 AM

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I am a pedophile in all senses of the APA definition of one except for age. The APA defines pedophilia as the act or INTENSE, RECURRENT FANTASIES of sex with a child. I'm not denying it all.
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But you haven't commited an act so I don't look at you as a pedophile.
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Re: Paedophilia - May 10th 2009, 05:55 AM

First, many people probably go with the stereotypical view of a pedophile, an adult, usually small in stature who sits and preys on kids like some horrible creature. I say that view is horseshit. People give more understanding to homosexuality than pedophilia. Why? Because even though many don't like homosexuality, it's less harsh than pedophilia.

Second, fantasies are thoughts and thoughts are harmless. I can fantasize killing 5,000 people yet if I don't do it, where's the harm? We should be allowed to think and imagine whatever we want without prosecution. Our actions on the other hand are different, as those can indeed cause harm.

So, if someone has pedophilia fantasies, then that's fine with me. Fantasize away, I'll fantasize away also.

As for the actual actions, I think we cannot simply slop on the idea of punish all of the pedophiles just because some pedophiles molest whereas others don't. In punishing pedophiles, the reason(s) have to be known as to why the pedophile in some way harmed the kid, their sanity at the time of the action and their overall mental health status.

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Re: Paedophilia - May 10th 2009, 03:38 PM

Ok, I feel uncomfortable when people liken this to homosexuality. The big difference is, in homosexuality you attracted to what is considered to be something that is an appropriate object of sexual desire. Basically it'd be fine for straight people to like them too. Like how can a person be acceptable to be liked by one sex, and not the other? Paedophillia is more like beastility. Paedophillia is a paraphillia, not an orientation.

Cameron, you aren't old enough to be a paedophile. There's a reason they put ages on these things, give it a few years before you start identifying as a paedophile. I do have to ask though, why do you choose to take on this identity? Its one thing having thoughts you havent choosen, I'm just curious as to your motivation of using this identity. Is it to make it easier to deal with or something?

As to the actual topic, I think there is a danger with considering paedophillia as fine. Yes, even considering it fine when its just thoughts.

Of course, I don't think people who haven't acted on paedophillia should be punished. We have no right to police the thoughts of others. Not punishing it, doesnt automatically mean it isn't wrong. The thoughts are wrong, because of the nature of them, if they ever were to be acted upon. By no means does this nessecerily make the paedophile a bad person for having such thoughts, but I can't suggest that the thoughts are ok. Basically I do think the thoughts are intrinsically wrong, and they shouldn't be encouraged.

I think removing some of the stigma, and providing more help to those who want it, is important. And I dont think non-practising paedophillia should be treated negatively by society.

However, I dont agree with simulation either. Why? SImply because its not the same thing, and it wont help their urges go away. Seriously, if you watch porn, anyone that is, and you jack off over it, you know that its not as good as the actual act. If anything, I can imagine it'd leaving them wanting to do more, as they will probably enjoy it still, and then it'd be like, 'you know what, I actually want to do this'. Ok, maybe I dont have enough faith in people because whatever *shrugs*

Finding out someone is attracted to kids wouldn't make me think differently of them, if they don't act on it. I'm fairly unjudgemental, and I personally have had thoughts that I'd never act on (not involving little kids, but still), so I'd be hypocritical. If they actually identified as a paedophile, I'd probably need to talk to them to determine why they choose to identify this way, but I think thats more out of my curiousity toward identities as a whole.

In summary, yes paedophillia is wrong, but no, someone who doesn't act upon them shouldn't be punished.
   
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Re: Paedophilia - May 10th 2009, 03:57 PM

I find it wrong, sorry but I do.

It's not so bad if its not acted upon, but in my eyes its morally wrong.
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Re: Paedophilia - May 10th 2009, 05:53 PM

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Ok, I feel uncomfortable when people liken this to homosexuality. The big difference is, in homosexuality you attracted to what is considered to be something that is an appropriate object of sexual desire. Basically it'd be fine for straight people to like them too. Like how can a person be acceptable to be liked by one sex, and not the other? Paedophillia is more like beastility. Paedophillia is a paraphillia, not an orientation.
I like what you said but I didn't really think this paragraph stands up very well. Firstly, homoexuality was not always considered to have an appropriate object of desire, did that make homosexuality wrong when the majority view point was against it? I wouldn't say acceptability defines the line between orientation and paraphilia. Also that homosexuality also used to be considered a paraphilia rather than an orientation. It just seems to me that there isn't much difference between the two other than acceptability.

Also simulated material has been shown to make a difference in some cases. Especially literature and art like lolicon etc. Even if it doesn't help in the vast majority of cases surely it should be available for the people it does help, I can't see there being a problem with it.
   
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Re: Paedophilia - May 10th 2009, 06:16 PM

Oh my.

I think pedophilia is wrong if you do anything such as child porn, or ever touch a child. Ever.

Homosexuality and pedophilia is completely different. And as Tegan already explain, they're quite different really. Homosexuality, you're not hurting the other person. The other person most likely understands the physical and emotionally aspect of whatever they get in to. They're more mature, they're not a young innocent child. You're literally comparing apples to oranges, while they're both a fruit, they're completely different. And honestly, I get rather offended when people basically tell me if I sleep with a girl I'm a pedophile.

Someone mentioned that people don't understand there's a difference between a child molester and a pedophile. Don't you kind of have to be a pedophile to molest a child? Having thoughts of children is okay I suppose. I'd rather it didn't happen, but if you're not acting on it, really what can you do? And if a person asks for help with their thoughts or fantasies, I don't think they should be locked up, I think they should be helped. But the second they touch a child they should be locked up.

I'm not sure, and I won't assume, how many of you fully understand the effects of an adult touching you like that when you're a child. It's something that even an adult speaking in a sexual manner to a child, they will never forget, and it's nearly engrained in their memory.

I have absolutely no room for sympathy with people who have sexual thoughts towards children and don't get help. Nor with someone who touches a child with those intentions.



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Re: Paedophilia - May 10th 2009, 06:22 PM

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Now, I'm not saying to let a pedophile walk free after harming a child but they should have access to help if they're wanting to change, they should be able to seek help with not acting on any fantasies instead of being locked away, or else upon their release, they very well may continue to harm children because they were denied help.
They should have got help BEFORE they hurt an innocent child. Having a sexual desire towards someone/something does not give you any more of a right to rape them. They chose not to get help and to go an act on their urges, so they deserve the same punishment as any other predator.

Not going to deny that they should have gotten help before, yes. But is help always readily available for a pedophile? How many would know where to start looking for help?

I'm not saying they have a right to hurt a child - that's completely inexcusable. However, they shouldn't be denied help. Those who are willing to receive help should be allowed to do so.



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Re: Paedophilia - May 10th 2009, 06:24 PM

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Homosexuality and pedophilia is completely different. And as Tegan already explain, they're quite different really. Homosexuality, you're not hurting the other person. The other person most likely understands the physical and emotionally aspect of whatever they get in to. They're more mature, they're not a young innocent child. You're literally comparing apples to oranges, while they're both a fruit, they're completely different. And honestly, I get rather offended when people basically tell me if I sleep with a girl I'm a pedophile.
As a paedophile you're not hurting the other person either if you don't act on it, whether or not you act on it you are still a paedophile. Hence why you can be a paedophile and not a child molester. How would people be telling you that if you sleep with a girl (assuming you mean a female over the ages of consent ) you're a pedophile? I just don't see that, they're too very different orientations. That's like saying "oh if asexual is considered an orienation then people are going to tell me I'm asexual when I sleep with a girl".

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But you don't have to be a paedophile to molest a child, there are lots of non-paedophillic molesters. So no, you don't have to be.
   
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Re: Paedophilia - May 10th 2009, 06:24 PM

i guess people can't help what goes on in their head, and so long as they don't act on it i suppose they can't be punished.

that said, if someone told me that they had paedophilic thoughts i would definitely think differently about them. i wouldn't feel comfortable being friends with someone who thought that way about children, because personally, i just think it's wrong on so many levels.


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Re: Paedophilia - May 10th 2009, 06:31 PM

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As a paedophile you're not hurting the other person either if you don't act on it, whether or not you act on it you are still a paedophile. Hence why you can be a paedophile and not a child molester. How would people be telling you that if you sleep with a girl (assuming you mean a female over the ages of consent ) you're a pedophile? I just don't see that, they're too very different orientations. That's like saying "oh if asexual is considered an orienation then people are going to tell me I'm asexual when I sleep with a girl".
Jack you're going to be the death of me.

I didn't mean to say that all pedophiles are child molesters. It's kind of like, a square can be a rectangle but a rectangle can't be a square? If the definition of pedophile is having sexual actions with a child, then if you molest a child you're a pedophile. Whether it's one time, or your life-time type of thinking.


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Again, depends I suppose on the definition you're looking at? Because like, some places say it's having a preference for children, and some places say it's just actually engaging in sexual actions with children.



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Re: Paedophilia - May 10th 2009, 06:53 PM

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I like what you said but I didn't really think this paragraph stands up very well. Firstly, homoexuality was not always considered to have an appropriate object of desire, did that make homosexuality wrong when the majority view point was against it? I wouldn't say acceptability defines the line between orientation and paraphilia. Also that homosexuality also used to be considered a paraphilia rather than an orientation. It just seems to me that there isn't much difference between the two other than acceptability.
Oh, trust me, I know homosexuality isn't always considered appropriate, my is a conversative baptist pastor.

What I meant was the part where I said that men and women, in general, are considered appropriate objects of sexual attraction. Otherwise heterosexuality is wrong too. If a woman for example is attractive, how does the gentitals you have, suddenly make this women unattractive if you are a girl.

As for the paraphillia thing, it is a controversial issue, in the medical community. But from what I've read, I personally think of paraphillias as existing. I might have more time later to expand on this. But there is definately a fine line, and it is a grey area, so I don't expect everyone to see that the same. There are good arguments on both sides. (I read this stuff for a TH debate about a year ago lol)

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I havent read this, I might look into it. If it helps some, but not others, maybe they could make child erotica on perscription lol But if there isn't much research on this (I admit to ignorance on that), then I think some research needs to be made before simulation is legalised.
   
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Re: Paedophilia - May 10th 2009, 07:06 PM

I'm not likening it to homosexuality. I'm only saying that it's like homosexuality in that it isn't a CHOICE. Other than that, there are almost no similarities.

And Tegan, I call myself one because, in all senses of the definition other than the age, I am one. I'll be one I suppose in July...




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Re: Paedophilia - May 10th 2009, 07:14 PM

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I'm not likening it to homosexuality. I'm only saying that it's like homosexuality in that it isn't a CHOICE. Other than that, there are almost no similarities.

And Tegan, I call myself one because, in all senses of the definition other than the age, I am one. I'll be one I suppose in July...

no offense, but i don't get why you'd want to go by that label. it's hardly something that is widely accepted or understood. if you said that you were a paedophile around here you'd most likely get beaten up or something similar.. it just seems.. odd? to me that you'd want people to know that you think of yourself in that way.


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Re: Paedophilia - May 10th 2009, 07:17 PM

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I do not think all peadophiles should be punished, only those who act on their attraction by (a) molesting a kid or (b) viewing material which, during the making of the material, caused a kid to come to harm. Paedophiles should be allowed to fantasize as much as they like and also should be allowed acces to simulated paedophillic material in order to allow them some release for their desires.

If a person told me they were a paedophile, or had paedophillic tendancies, I would probably treat them quite differently for a while until I got used to the idea. I would also probably adopt a "better safe than sorry" policy around my kids (if/when I have any), I wouldn't stop them seeing my kids but just wouldn't leave them alone with him/her for long stretches at a time. However, yes I could certainly see past the attraction and see them as a person, they can't help who they are attracted to so what right would I have to judge them for it?
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Re: Paedophilia - May 10th 2009, 07:48 PM

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no offense, but i don't get why you'd want to go by that label. it's hardly something that is widely accepted or understood. if you said that you were a paedophile around here you'd most likely get beaten up or something similar.. it just seems.. odd? to me that you'd want people to know that you think of yourself in that way.
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Re: Paedophilia - May 11th 2009, 02:24 AM

Paedophelia. The thing is, if someone cannot control their attraction, then simpathy must be held towards them. Child porno on the otherhand, NO. I do not care how attracted to children one is, that is wrong. Because childlren have to be exploited in order to create such pornographies and harming children is disgusting. That's what's wrong, not paedophelia. If one does not act on these feelings, then it's not wrong. But when innocent gets harmed that's where the line is drawn and it is intolerable. It is similar to homo and heterosexuality. Nothing's wrong with a gay man until he rapes another manmeone else. Nothing's wrong with a straight man until he rapes a woman. Nothing's wrong with a paedophile until he rapes a kid. And replace rape with sexually exploits in any manner.


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Re: Paedophilia - May 11th 2009, 02:46 AM

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Not going to deny that they should have gotten help before, yes. But is help always readily available for a pedophile? How many would know where to start looking for help?

I'm not saying they have a right to hurt a child - that's completely inexcusable. However, they shouldn't be denied help. Those who are willing to receive help should be allowed to do so.
It's pretty easy. Find the number of a psychologist in the phone book, phone them and make an appointment. In fact if you really thought you might hurt a child you could just phone 911 (like suicidal people do when they feel like they are going to hurt themselves) and they will find help for you.

I agree they should get help too but they should still be punished just as much as a non-pedophile rapist. Afterall, I bet they wouldn't give you fewer years for murder if you had necrophilia. The only true mental defense is, and should remain, insanity.


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