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American campaign. - February 22nd 2016, 01:15 AM

Who are you going to vote for in the next American president?


   
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Re: American campaign. - February 22nd 2016, 03:51 AM

Bernie. And when that doesn't work out, Hillary. I believe all the Republican candidates are incredibly dangerous to the US and the world, especially Ted Cruz. I'm really getting the impression that Trump isn't actually as stupid as he's making himself out to be.
I think its completely impossible for the republicans to win unless Rubio is the nominee.


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Re: American campaign. - February 22nd 2016, 05:45 AM

Bernie Sanders. If he doesn't win the primary, I'll vote for Hillary Clinton.


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Re: American campaign. - February 22nd 2016, 07:32 AM

I can't vote seeing as I'm not in America, or old enough, but if I could vote I would be voting for Bernie Sanders.


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Re: American campaign. - February 22nd 2016, 10:37 AM

Bernie Sanders. If he doesn't win the Primary, then I am leaving this country.
   
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Re: American campaign. - February 23rd 2016, 02:51 AM

Trump or Rubio.
I have no ambition to vote for a socalist and no ambition to vote for another Era of Obama policies and a traitor to the US, Bengazigate and email gate.


   
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Re: American campaign. - February 23rd 2016, 05:46 PM

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Trump or Rubio.
I have no ambition to vote for a socalist and no ambition to vote for another Era of Obama policies and a traitor to the US, Bengazigate and email gate.
Democratic socialism isn't the same as socialism. It's basically the "New Deal" politics that FDR used, not letting businesses have free reign over the economy. And FDR was so successful that they elected him 3 times.
Putting socialism in the name is basically just a way to get attention.


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Re: American campaign. - February 23rd 2016, 07:43 PM

I really sincerely hate trump, but I have a feeling that it's going to be between him and Hillary. And if that's the case, then I'm voting for trump, no matter how stupid or disqualified he may be. I really don't trust her, and I really, really don't like her stance on abortion and support for planned parenthood.
(Not that I can vote anyway).


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Re: American campaign. - February 23rd 2016, 10:15 PM

I'm too young to vote, but I would definitely be voting for Bernie Sanders if I could, though I like Hillary Clinton too. All the republican candidates are a little scary, especially Cruz.



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Re: American campaign. - February 23rd 2016, 11:25 PM

Bernie Sanders, definitely.

I can't imagine what this country will turn into if Trump becomes president. All equal rights will go to shit, I can imagine that much.


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Re: American campaign. - February 24th 2016, 02:32 AM

I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary election.
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Re: American campaign. - February 24th 2016, 05:21 AM

And Trump just won Nevada (according to projections).
To be honest, I don't care if Trump wins. His base appears to be 40% of Republicans, with like a 50% disapproval rating among the rest of them. So that's like 13% nationally right now, add in some more pissed off people, people who don't want Hillary, etc.
I think Hillary wins by about 60% to 40%. Trump, to me, is a high-floor, low ceiling candidate. But he's tearing down the GOP from the inside out, which is a blessing to see after the GOP played obstructionist in Congress for Obama's entire tenure, removing his ability to actually make the changes he wanted. For the sake of spite, I'm quite enjoying this after my entire hometown was literally poisoned as a result of a Libertarian, cost-cutting economic policy.
*If Michael Bloomberg decides to play spoiler, make it like 37% Trump, 58% Hillary, 5% him.


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Re: American campaign. - February 24th 2016, 02:35 PM

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Democratic socialism isn't the same as socialism. It's basically the "New Deal" politics that FDR used, not letting businesses have free reign over the economy. And FDR was so successful that they elected him 3 times.
Putting socialism in the name is basically just a way to get attention.
So the difference? One is done by force, the other is done by vote.
FDR being elected also had another part we were starting a war. You seldom change leadership in the middle of a war, (Big reason Bush remained in the White House in 2004.)


   
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Re: American campaign. - February 24th 2016, 05:04 PM

I read somewhere that Sanders was actually leading against Hilary for the first time. I can't find the article though so it might not be true?

I registered to vote because I'm passionate about this election. I want Bernie Sanders to win. If he can't pull it off then I will vote for Hilary.

I'd prefer voting for her then being a sore loser and not putting a vote in. Anyone is better than the Republican candidates.

All of them are talking about overturning the Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage and repealing ACA. I don't know if they could do it but the concern is big enough that I'm not gonna stand by and do nothing.


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Re: American campaign. - February 24th 2016, 08:41 PM

I would be voting for Hillary Clinton. I am just a little bit suspicious of Bernie Sanders.


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Re: American campaign. - February 25th 2016, 12:27 AM

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Re: American campaign. - February 25th 2016, 01:39 AM

Not sure yet. To be fair, I am sort of suspicious of most politicians but out of this group, Bernie seems like the most sincere. Like I usually hate most politicians and I don't declare myself as someone based on party lines.


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Re: American campaign. - February 26th 2016, 06:56 AM

Trump/Republican, because I made the god awful mistake in voting Obama/Democrat last time.


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Re: American campaign. - February 26th 2016, 05:45 PM

I'm surprised so many people are open about this. I have always been told you should never discuss who you are voting for because it sparks major conflict. But you guys are really mature and not bickering back and forth, just stating an answer. So good for you guys! You all should be proud!

But I have no problem admitting who I want to vote for and that is Bernie Sanders.


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Re: American campaign. - February 26th 2016, 07:14 PM

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So the difference? One is done by force, the other is done by vote.
FDR being elected also had another part we were starting a war. You seldom change leadership in the middle of a war, (Big reason Bush remained in the White House in 2004.)
The biggest part of democratic socialism is not allowing corporations to control the government. If you listen to Bernie, thats his biggest thing, ending Citizens United, the court case that allowed rich people to make basically unlimited campaign contributions and control the government. With Bernie, we would actually have a proper democracy instead of the oligarchy we currently have.
Here's what Democratic Socialists believe, and it draws contrasts with actual socialism: http://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism
I wouldn't argue the point that FDR won his last two elections partly because of the war, but I do think that he probably would've won anyway due to popularity alone.


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Re: American campaign. - February 27th 2016, 05:10 AM

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I'm surprised so many people are open about this. I have always been told you should never discuss who you are voting for because it sparks major conflict. But you guys are really mature and not bickering back and forth, just stating an answer. So good for you guys! You all should be proud!

But I have no problem admitting who I want to vote for and that is Bernie Sanders.
I actually don't think you should talk about politics in real life and I don't, ever. I hardly ever respond to political posts people make on facebook because of that.

But, this is online and I feel like it's an easier way to be open about it because if someone decides to debate with me I can literally just not click on that thread. In real life, it's harder to do that especially if you open up about it with friends.


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Re: American campaign. - February 27th 2016, 05:11 PM

They're all dangerous including Hilary. Politicians listen to who gives them the money. Look at who funds Hilary (hint: all republican/ corporations) the thing worst then an enemy is a believable lie that someone is your friend.

Bernie, I mean....maybe possibly, sorta, kinda, perhaps. If you get my drift.
   
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Re: American campaign. - March 1st 2016, 08:57 PM

Would my vote for Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II count as a valid vote in November?

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Re: American campaign. - March 1st 2016, 09:28 PM

I agree on quite a few things with most of them. I don't actually know who I'd vote for (if I could).

I've not been following it closely recently though. Too busy.

The last thing I fucking want anywhere in Western societies is more "political correctness" the rest of the circus associated with that bullshit. I am glad that it's starting to trend out of fashion. It's a shame the other thread about censorship timed out. Censorship by no means necessarily is directly administered by the state like it has been in China. Censorship is utilised by whichever political ideology dominates. I doubt conservatives would be much better. None of that excuses the way liberals have been behaving on campuses, twitter, and the rest of that.

It's why I was shocked (despite being initially strongly opposed to Trump), when I actually thought Trump could turn this crap around if he were given a chance in office. I was initially opposed to Trump because I got the impression that he's appealing to impulsive voters who favor idiotic knee-jerk reactions to complicated problems. I don't know what the solution to the general problems with Islam would be, but it wouldn't be "send them all back".

Either way... politics needs to shift from left to right and back, every now and then (I'm glad the UK has already done it). Otherwise the kind of horseshit that has been happening for a decade now starts becoming "normal" and "acceptable"... and that's exactly what has happened. I cannot, ever, accept, that someone should be "banned" from any public facility, or public/private facility, or any social media platform (public or private), because they hold political views which other people disagree with. Fucking goatshit. I don't care if it provokes "outrage". Sharia supporters provoke outrage, yet appear to be tolerated far more often. If someone is making direct threats, harassment, etc. (things directly punishable by law), then you take action. Otherwise, some moderator banning someone (on the grounds that it apparently "incites hatred") from twitter because they said "Germany should send all the migrants back"... what is that, if not censorship? It's not even relevant whether I or anyone else agrees or don't with that statement.

You can kick people out of your own house on your own terms. Not in public. That's what street gangs do.

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