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Voting Bans. - July 2nd 2016, 03:47 PM

Tonight was the Australian national election and unfortunately, the conservative coalition disaster of a government was re-elected. I will admit that it was a complete and utter PR masterstoke, the timing of everything from the mid-tern change of leader, to the election being called and the campaign being launched was quite perfect, and Australians voted for a selfie-taking, colonial accent possessing man in the middle of a mid-life crisis as a Prime Minister. However, that is for another day, thanks for reminding me.

Actually, a large number of people expressed their intention to vote for no one, put penises on their ballot paper, add their own options, or simply pay the fine. What do you think is an appropriate penalty for donkey voting and should the penalty be a ban from voting at the next election. If people are not going to take it seriously, then they clearly do not want nor deserve to influence the result.


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Re: Voting Bans. - July 3rd 2016, 01:06 AM

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What do you think is an appropriate penalty for donkey voting and should the penalty be a ban from voting at the next election.
I don't think a ban from voting is the right approach at all. In fact it might be seen as a reward, because people who donkey vote obviously don't care about the system - so being "banned" from a compulsory activity they never wanted to participate in probably won't serve as a deterrent.


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Re: Voting Bans. - July 3rd 2016, 03:01 AM

I don't see a reason to force people to vote. We don't have mandatory voting here in the US. People should only vote if they want to. There are numerous problems with compulsory voting- other than the obvious infringement on your rights that it imposes. For one, some people simply have no opinion on certain issues. People with no or limited opinion on something will always tend to vote somewhat randomly or with what "sounds right" without really having a clue. This skews the results so that the people that certain issues affect the most aren't really having a fair voter representation. If you force the issue- you will get people who vote for someone because their name sounds better, or something like that--basically just tossing a coin.

There should be no penalty at all for this. If people want to donkey vote, they should be given the option not to vote in that election-- they shouldn't get a fine or be prohibited from voting in the future.

At least donkey voting hurts nobody. If they want to waste their vote, then they don't really have a strong opinion anyways and so their non-opinion is better off not influencing the election. Better to donkey vote than just pick the first name that is on the ballot, just sayin.



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Re: Voting Bans. - July 3rd 2016, 01:29 PM

I'd give up my left pinky for mandatory voting laws. The alternative to this is nobody voting except for old people... conservative old people.


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Re: Voting Bans. - July 3rd 2016, 04:05 PM

The US is an awful example of the "success" without mandatory voting laws. Robert is right, we end up having reeeally poor voter turnout and the votes aren't representative of the population but rather those who have the privilege/ability to get out of work and go vote. However...I also don't agree with mandatory voting, or punishing people for "donkey voting." I think voting should be made incredibly accessible, that people should get off work with pay for the time spent to go vote, mail-in should be available, etc. But requiring is silly. People have the right to not be engaged or mess around, as silly as it may be.


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Re: Voting Bans. - July 3rd 2016, 07:59 PM

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I'd give up my left pinky for mandatory voting laws. The alternative to this is nobody voting except for old people... conservative old people.
So you don't want a true democratic republic then? Or would you just make it mandatory for people to vote as long as they went for your choice of a candidate? What happens if mandatory voting actually helped the GOP? Would you be against it? It seems that you would rather have your rights as a citizen be infringed upon than have a politician with different views than you be elected.
   
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Re: Voting Bans. - July 4th 2016, 03:32 AM

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So you don't want a true democratic republic then? Or would you just make it mandatory for people to vote as long as they went for your choice of a candidate? What happens if mandatory voting actually helped the GOP? Would you be against it? It seems that you would rather have your rights as a citizen be infringed upon than have a politician with different views than you be elected.
If I had to choose between mandatory voting for all people in America OR the general political laziness we have right now, I would absolutely go for mandatory voting. But no, if I had my way, voting day would be a national holiday or maybe a paid day off for everyone that incentivized voting. I realize people have the freedom not to vote.
Mandatory voting or a national voting day would crush the GOP. The reason they've lost 5 out of 6 of the last popular votes for president is because when more people show up to vote, like for high-profile presidential elections, the democrats win. The GOP knows this and tries to prohibit people from voting with their "Voting ID laws", aka anti-voting fraud laws, aka anti-poverty laws, aka anti-minority laws, aka anti-democrat laws. They try to make it so the people who reliably vote like old people (who trend more conservative, are retired, have time on their hands) are the only ones voting. Contrary to public opinion and what the talking heads on TV say, this country leans liberal. Although significant parts of this country actually believe what the conspiracy theories that people like Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, Alex Jones, and Rush Limbaugh have to say, the majority of them know the GOP is crazy for creating them and would vote Democrat IF they voted.
But would I allow my rights or others to be infringed so that the GOP would lose power? Yes. They would be a right-wing laughingstock fringe party in any other developed country. But I WOULDN'T force that on anyone else if there was a choice to make a national voting holiday. And as long as people show up, I wouldn't be upset about the silly pictures being drawn in.
But for the record, the GOP and I don't have "different opinions". They are objectively wrong and corrupt (because they are paid off to be objectively wrong and corrupt) while I am considerably more correct and less corrupt than they are. And yes, not to be arrogant, but I am fully, 100% confident in that assertion.


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Re: Voting Bans. - July 4th 2016, 07:10 AM

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If I had to choose between mandatory voting for all people in America OR the general political laziness we have right now, I would absolutely go for mandatory voting. But no, if I had my way, voting day would be a national holiday or maybe a paid day off for everyone that incentivized voting. I realize people have the freedom not to vote.
Mandatory voting or a national voting day would crush the GOP. The reason they've lost 5 out of 6 of the last popular votes for president is because when more people show up to vote, like for high-profile presidential elections, the democrats win. The GOP knows this and tries to prohibit people from voting with their "Voting ID laws", aka anti-voting fraud laws, aka anti-poverty laws, aka anti-minority laws, aka anti-democrat laws. They try to make it so the people who reliably vote like old people (who trend more conservative, are retired, have time on their hands) are the only ones voting. Contrary to public opinion and what the talking heads on TV say, this country leans liberal. Although significant parts of this country actually believe what the conspiracy theories that people like Donald Drumpf, Sarah Palin, Alex Jones, and Rush Limbaugh have to say, the majority of them know the GOP is crazy for creating them and would vote Democrat IF they voted.
But would I allow my rights or others to be infringed so that the GOP would lose power? Yes. They would be a right-wing laughingstock fringe party in any other developed country. But I WOULDN'T force that on anyone else if there was a choice to make a national voting holiday. And as long as people show up, I wouldn't be upset about the silly pictures being drawn in.
But for the record, the GOP and I don't have "different opinions". They are objectively wrong and corrupt (because they are paid off to be objectively wrong and corrupt) while I am considerably more correct and less corrupt than they are. And yes, not to be arrogant, but I am fully, 100% confident in that assertion.
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Re: Voting Bans. - July 4th 2016, 03:12 PM

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If I had to choose between mandatory voting for all people in America OR the general political laziness we have right now, I would absolutely go for mandatory voting. But no, if I had my way, voting day would be a national holiday or maybe a paid day off for everyone that incentivized voting. I realize people have the freedom not to vote.
Mandatory voting or a national voting day would crush the GOP. The reason they've lost 5 out of 6 of the last popular votes for president is because when more people show up to vote, like for high-profile presidential elections, the democrats win. The GOP knows this and tries to prohibit people from voting with their "Voting ID laws", aka anti-voting fraud laws, aka anti-poverty laws, aka anti-minority laws, aka anti-democrat laws. They try to make it so the people who reliably vote like old people (who trend more conservative, are retired, have time on their hands) are the only ones voting. Contrary to public opinion and what the talking heads on TV say, this country leans liberal. Although significant parts of this country actually believe what the conspiracy theories that people like Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, Alex Jones, and Rush Limbaugh have to say, the majority of them know the GOP is crazy for creating them and would vote Democrat IF they voted.
But would I allow my rights or others to be infringed so that the GOP would lose power? Yes. They would be a right-wing laughingstock fringe party in any other developed country. But I WOULDN'T force that on anyone else if there was a choice to make a national voting holiday. And as long as people show up, I wouldn't be upset about the silly pictures being drawn in.
But for the record, the GOP and I don't have "different opinions". They are objectively wrong and corrupt (because they are paid off to be objectively wrong and corrupt) while I am considerably more correct and less corrupt than they are. And yes, not to be arrogant, but I am fully, 100% confident in that assertion.
First off, how is checking someone's ID to check if they are even permitted to vote a bad Hong? I mean, in order to buy alcohol, show ID, get pulled over by a cop, show ID, but vote and be influencing the result of a major election that could alter the future of the nation you don't need an ID. That doesent make sense. Also, you want mandatory voting which has a very high chance of just making showing your ID to vote mandatory in all states. Isn't the United States supposed to be the country that you get to choose whether or not you want to vote or get a job or go to college or almost anything really. You would change that though by making voting mandatory. Eventually it will just turn into a joke. I could write in LeBron James and see how he did. If you don't want to vote you shouldn't have to. And if you really want your rights infringed upon I recommend you move to Russia.
Would it really crush the GOP though? Yea they tend to win when voter turnout is low but there are a lot of people who WOULD vote republican if there was mandatory voting. You think the whole country is democrat?
Look at who the democrats are going to nominate for president? Hillary Clinton. I bet she embodies everything you hate in a politician. Corrupt, arrogant, power-hungry, the list can go on forever.
You think the democrats aren't corrupt? You are a fool then. I know you liked Bernie sanders so maybe you think they are corrupt. If you are so high and mighty in your beliefs then please run for office. Enlighten all of us. Lead us to glory and make us keep voting so you can keep getting elected. For the record, I can't stand both parties. Republican, democrat, they both suck to be honest. I tend to have more of my beliefs sway towards the conservative side of things but not all. I just don't see how the Democratic Party which preaches that love and peace and happiness are the solution to every problem in the world works. And I don't like how the republicans are so freakin trigger happy anytime there's a new "threat" to us. I really don't like the democrats who really have no idea what they're talking about. Not you or anything just people I know who believe that all men are oppressive, all whites are oppressive, all Christians are oppressive, all religions are oppressive, but Islam is okay though, all republicans are evil, and so on. I don't like republicans who think that all Muslims, gays, anybody of any different belief than theirs doesent deserve to be in the US. A side note as well,

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