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Weed and pregnancy - September 25th 2010, 04:38 AM

Me and my Girlfriend were talking about this today. About how it does effect a mothers fetus if she smokes weed during her pregnancy. Because of the certain balances and whatnot. (forget exactly what its called) Do you think it's okay? Some people say its harmless. Its a hug thing because a lot of sites say its harmful and then others say it is not.

Regardless of what is said i DO NOT THINK a mother should be smoking weed, smoking cigarettes or anything of any sort. When your pregnant and you choose to do this, i think it's just plain SELFISH.

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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 25th 2010, 04:57 AM

I would not. I have a pretty general rule of not intentionally inhaling any kind of smoke. Natural or not. And I agree, if there's ANY risk of harming a child, it would be selfish to even try.
   
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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 25th 2010, 05:26 AM

my mom smoked while pregnant with me.... im perfectly fine.... ok nvm not the best example and now i have to agree with its not right .
   
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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 25th 2010, 05:51 AM

I don't know it would depend on how it is passed though the placenta. I know people that have had "pot" babies and they seem fine but i also know people that have " alcohol" babies that are fine. I say anything you take while pregnant should be though about carefully. Every baby and every female body is different. I don't think it is selfish if a women smokes weed while pregnant becaues i know people that say it is a good thing for the baby. I however have never done weed and i wouldn't pick something new up like that. Also another good point is a lot of places do blood testing on a pregnant women and it may cause custody issues so that it self would be a good ideal not to smoke. ( ps, it is against the law to smoke pot were i live). If it is allowed were the women lives then her doctor should be able to say weather or not it is safe.
   
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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 25th 2010, 05:54 AM

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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 25th 2010, 05:57 AM

No, I would never let my wife smoke weed, especially if she were pregnant. It's a crime either way, and should be punished, especially if the mother is pregnant.


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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 25th 2010, 09:47 AM

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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 25th 2010, 09:58 AM

The way I see this, is that its not even so much the idea of what you're doing, but the effect it has. I mean, I've known people who cut down their smoking a lot, or had a very rare toke, and thats OK, if you're being extremely restrictive on how much you take in, much like how the occasional tiny bit of alcohol is alright. Everything in VERY LIMITED quantities doesn't have any real effect, considering like, 3 joints in 9 months isn't drastic. However, if its a weekly ritual or something, I can see it being bad.

I, personally, wouldn't consume alcohol, or smoke anything while pregnant, but if people can moderate themselves, its alright. In fact, my one friend was told that if she suddenly quit smoking while she was pregnant, the withdrawls of nicotine would cause shock to the baby. So she drastically cut back, to 1-3 cigarettes a day, compared to the 10 or so she used to smoke.


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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 25th 2010, 10:19 AM

i wouldn't even contemplate smoking weed when pregnant. whenever i see a pregnant woman smoking (weed or normal cigarettes) i'm disgusted. if you want to smoke and you're not willing to stop then you shouldn't get pregnant as far as i'm concerned.


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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 25th 2010, 10:26 AM

I feel that weed doesn't affect you that bad, compared to alcohol. But I would never smoke weed while pregnant. It's just wrong. It's like forcing someone else to feel the effects of it. And a poor fetus wouldn't be able to handle the effects of it, and that's how we get sick babies

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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 25th 2010, 01:31 PM

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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 25th 2010, 03:06 PM

No, a pregnant woman shouldn't do anything harmful to herself or baby while pregnant. Geez, isn't it common sense?


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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 25th 2010, 04:47 PM

I've just come across mothers that we're pregnant and were like "weed doesn't have any affect on the baby, research it"

I think people like that are so IGNORANT.

I saw something on Dr. Phil where the baby was born addicted to Meth and the baby had to be on morphine because of the withdraws. So sad. Yeah Meth is worse then weed, but still heartbreaking to see the sick babies.




   
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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 25th 2010, 05:17 PM

I would never smoke weed and I think pregnant women shouldn't either it is just common sense you don't do anything that could harm your kid it's dumb.


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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 25th 2010, 09:14 PM

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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 26th 2010, 04:07 AM

I don't know how reliable any studies that have been done could be. Would the chemicals in weed cross the placenta? I don't know. However, I will point out that there are different factors at work such as how the mother's body processes marijuana, critical periods of the fetus' growth, how much is consumed, and so on. This would be better asked for a doctor, but even the doctor may not know.

The issue with the Baby Center link had some of the examples as correlations and without seeing exactly what types of samples were used, I am not entirely sure how reliable it is. Poor population separations or a sample too small could show incorrect correlations. Not to mention a "higher chance" is vague wording.

To be fair, a pregnant woman drinking caffeine is posing a risk to the baby but people still do it.
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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 26th 2010, 04:28 AM

Weed and being pregnant is NOT like caffeine during pregnancy.
"High caffeine consumption may also slightly increase the risk of preterm labor or low birth weight, or aggravate other factors that cause preterm labor or low birth weight."

Nothing HORRIBLE will happen to the baby as far as i am concerned. It will not effect them like it will with marijuana http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/wom06.htm




   
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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 26th 2010, 04:50 AM

When you link to a page, make sure it has quality research. First, most of the research was in the 80's. Second, the 1998 article has been rescinded. Third, research caffeine and see what people say. I will be honest, I have no idea who the fuck runs the web site you quoted so that is the first sign of danger when the main page "a1b2c3.com" has a "Suicide Lodge" and links to buying sex toys. Not to mention I am confused as to whether Lynn M. Johnson is a work cited or if she is the author of the page you quoted. Also, too bad the research isn't that good or else I would quote the "Conclusion" at the end of the article. It may amuse you to read it supports what I said more than what you claim.

http://www.health.gov.au/internet/ma...nnab2-home.htm

Most caffeine usage is fine, but when you have heavy drinkers coupled with other factors like stress, then it is something to be concerned about. How much caffeine is okay? It once again depends on many factors including the person's own body.

Edit: I figured it out, I think. Lynn M. Johnson wrote the entire page in 1998 but didn't quote her articles correctly, hence why the article above her name does not have the proper date (1994) or the proper authors.

Edit II: Here is the Hollister article: http://www.druglibrary.org/Schaffer/...sterhealth.htm)

One thing I think may have happened is that the author just used the 1994 study and didn't bother to read the other sources quoted hence why those are quoted APA and other claims aren't quoted in that page. I was search "Bloch 1983 marijuana" and the 1994 article came up. Except maybe not because this is what the authors of 1994 said in chapter six:

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20306287 <- They won't come out one way or another, but they do report a strong correlation between drinking caffeine and miscarriage/stillbirth.

Here are some articles that I am quoting. I used my university's resources so I don't know if you can find these articles online for free given how new they are.
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Women ingesting 200 mg of caffeine or more per day in any form were roughly twice as likely to miscarry during the first 20 weeks of pregnancy as were those getting no caffeine. Women consuming less caffeine faced no increased risk. The report will appear in the March American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology.
Seppa, Nathan. (2008). Caffeine intake tied to miscarriage. Science News 173(7), p110.



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Alwan, Nisreen, et al. (2010). Caffeine intake during pregnancy, late miscarriage and stillbirth. European Journal of Epidemiology 25(4), p275-280.

(yeah, I may have messed up the formatting of APA, but I haven't used it in a long time and I had to get up at 6 am for a 9 hour EMT class along with the beginning of a cold.) I also really tried to figure out who owns a1b2c3.com but I couldn't. It seems so random too from Lesbian porn, drug information, sex toys, online poker, and the Suicide Lodge. (The links to the marijuana page can be found under Recreational Drug Information that needs to be highlighted to be seen.)

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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 26th 2010, 05:50 AM

ANYWAY regardless i believe that you need to think of more then just yourself while you are pregnant. What you, eat, drink and for this matter smoke.

I don't think you need to be smoking weed anyway, it IS kind of illegal. Lol.




   
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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 26th 2010, 09:26 PM

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I don't think you need to be smoking weed anyway, it IS kind of illegal. Lol.
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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 27th 2010, 12:43 AM

A lot of things that are illegal shouldn't be and a lot of things that aren't illegal should be. Look into why marijuana was made illegal originally and then decide whether or not it should be. Look into why marijuana is illegal and then decide.

People shouldn't do a lot of things, but they will still do them. It's life.

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As for marijuana babies and meth babies, I wouldn't dare make that comparison without learning more about what marijuana babies look like. Meth is a very dangerous drug that can kill and marijuana users would probably die of exhaustion or a burst stomach before they could consume enough of marijuana to kill them.
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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 27th 2010, 12:55 AM

First of all i DID say that Meth is WAY WORSE. The point i was trying to make how heartbreaking it is to see sick babies.

Regardless of, IF marijuana should be legal or not does not matter because it IS illegal.
It's still harmful to a fetus! Women need to watch what goes in their system. whether it be smoking, what they eat, ect.




   
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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 27th 2010, 02:50 AM

I just wanted to make it clear that meth babies and marijuana babies could be considered a false analogy. Without more evidence, I wouldn't want people to be thinking marijuana babies act and look like meth babies.

As for it being harmful, a lot of things are harmful to the fetus. I would personally be more concerned about heavy caffeine drinkers as miscarriage is usually considered a lot worse than brain damage. Plus exactly how harmful is marijuana compared to other teratogens? Is there a critical threshold where it may affect the fetus? There isn't that much evidence or a lot of the evidence is older.

I encourage people to think for themselves and to make their own educated decisions, not to follow blindly what some older people in Congress have thought or think. After all, racism is a great reason to make a drug illegal while keeping another drug that can kill people legal.

After all, this topic is really beyond anyone here unless someone is a researcher with at least a bachelor's degree that is focusing on pharmacology or developmental affects of marijuana on a fetus. Maybe an ob doctor might be maybe to answer the question, but I am not entirely sure. A few development and bio classes definitely doesn't qualify me.

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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 27th 2010, 09:10 AM

Melanie Dreher i searched her on google she is a scientist who did an actual study on smoking weed during pregnancy.... the research found that weed during pregnancy does not affect the baby although i did quit weed a few months ago and i see alot of people who smoke weed and dont do it responsibly... i think smokinh weed during pregnancy isnt actually bad but could be dangerous as when your stoned you loose mental alertness so could make dangerous decision.... i am tottally against a parent smoking weed once the child is born unless the child is being looked after by someone else the fact that you cant be the best parent you can while stoned would mean it would be unsafe to be stoned while looking after children
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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 27th 2010, 07:05 PM

Smoking cigarettes/weed, drinking alcohol/caffeine in excess during pregnancy is a very poor choice on the mothers part. Smoking anything during pregnancy cuts off oxygen and can cause low birth weight or a premature baby. And, well, I don't think anyone will argue the proven effects of excess drinking of alcohol or caffeine will have on the child. Not to mention the use of hard drugs can't even compare to drinking and smoking during pregnancy....

With that said, I can't really look down on a woman for smoking here and there while pregnant. I gave up cigarettes cold turkey when I found out I was pregnant. Sometimes it was really hard to resist, and I don't think having one a couple times through out would have done much damage. And tbh I would have taken a hit or two of weed in a second just once or twice during my horrible morning sickness. I couldn't keep anything down for months no matter what I took or tried to do. I could hardly even keep my vitamins down. I think having an appetite for just one night could have taken a lot of stress of me and would have been better for my son in the long run. I did a lot of research on this topic in the beginning of my pregnancy and just couldn't find much info. I decided against it just because I didn't want to risk it.

As for caffeine and alcohol, I don't think you'll find too many doctors that will tell you that a cup of coffee or a glass of wine here and there isn't ok.


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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 28th 2010, 05:53 AM

I don't think that women should smoke weed while they are pregnant. Simply put. Honestly, I don't think people should smoke weed at all, but that is a different subject matter.
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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 28th 2010, 06:12 AM

You shouldn't smoke weed anyway. You -shouldn't- do any drugs, period. When there's another life involved? Most definitely not!

I would -never- even consider smoking weed anyway, and especially not when pregnant.


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Re: Weed and pregnancy - September 28th 2010, 10:48 AM

I wouldn't and I don't think anyone pregnant should smoke at all; weed or otherwise.
   
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