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Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 21st 2009, 05:28 PM

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Philip Chawner, 53, and his 57-year-old wife Audrey weigh XX. Their daughter Emma, 19, weighs XX, while her older sister Samantha, 21, weighs XX.
The family from Blackburn claim £22,508 a year in benefits, equivalent to the take-home pay from a £30,000 salary.
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Mr Chawner said: "What we get barely covers the bills and puts food on the table. It's not our fault we can't work. We deserve more."
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"We have cereal for breakfast, bacon butties for lunch and microwave pies with mashed potato or chips for dinner," Mrs Chawner told Closer magazine.
"All that healthy food, like fruit and veg, is too expensive. We're fat because it's in our genes. Our whole family is overweight," she added.
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Emma, said: "I'm a student and don't have time to exercise" she said "We all want to lose weight to stop the abuse we get in the street, but we don't know how."
This is absolutely ridiculous. They need to go on a diet and stop scrounging off others just because they're too lazy to get off their ass and do a bit of exercise.


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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 21st 2009, 05:34 PM

The daughter says she's at college and can't exercise but I doubt she's doing anything other then that so what is getting in the way? Plus she then says she doesn't know what to do, she said herself she can't exercise so clearly she knows what she needs to do. And I personally think the "it's in our genes" is just an excuse for their laziness because there is nothing in their genes stopping them getting up and going for a walk everyday or something just to help them lose weight.
   
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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 21st 2009, 05:37 PM

As much as i want to sound compassionate, i really can't.
If you want to lose the weight, make the effort to read up on how to do it or just jog.
Can you really even say that it's in your genes if you take in XX calories a day?
This is just angering that they think they're "too fat to work" and say that they deserve more when they make no effort to even try to fix the problem.
(I may be wrong here, i'm basing this off of what the daughter said about "not having time to excercise")


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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 21st 2009, 05:43 PM

I honestly think that the family needs to start exercising. I don't know what sort of benefits they would receive in the United States. I'm surprised they are getting such a large amount of money. You can be overweight and have a desk job which doesn't require a lot of moving, which is probably what you are doing at home.


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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 21st 2009, 05:45 PM

There's plenty of work you can do that's at home or without moving about much. [I guess so they don't put strain on their hearts?]

And on the veggies/food front - You can grow veggies in a garden!
And Value etc ranges have veggies too!
When I was completely veggie I only spent £15 a week on food.
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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 21st 2009, 05:51 PM

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There's plenty of work you can do that's at home or without moving about much. [I guess so they don't put strain on their hearts?]

And on the veggies/food front - You can grow veggies in a garden!
And Value etc ranges have veggies too!
When I was completely veggie I only spent £15 a week on food.
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Exactly, there are always ways to fix the problems, they just don't want to find the solution.
I mean god forbid we live in a country where you have to actually work once in a while


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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 21st 2009, 05:53 PM

Bah! They're so full of it. The stuff they eat is FAR more expensive and far less healthy than buying raw ingredients and cooking for yourself. They don't look too fat to work to me. I've worked with much fatter.

I don't understand how you can deserve something you didn't earn in the first place. They're getting free money from their government for being potentially disabled.

What's stopping them from buying flower, yeast, eggs, rice, oats, beans, potatoes, and roasting chickens when they shop? You can get greens and some fruits by growing them yourself. They clearly haven't made any attempts to lose weight. Nobody is asking them to be thin. They should be at the very least eating healthy food.


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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 21st 2009, 05:59 PM

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Yes, it is, and no, you don't.

These people need to get off their asses and lose some weight.

There are people with genuine health problems that they can't control, and they deserve the money.

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I don't get it. She says healthy food is too expensive, thereby admitting they don't eat right, but then says being fat is in her genes? It's not in your genes to eat crap food.

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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 21st 2009, 07:43 PM

Of course they need to exercise but losing weight isn't easy, either. And healthy food IS more expensive. Clearly they need assistance in a different form than money.



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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 21st 2009, 11:53 PM

Here's my advice: STOP FREAKING EATING SO MUCH! & NO! You do not deserve that money! A poor starving or homeless kid does! However with all the green you're asking for, You'll be needing to be plugged to a milking machine soon cause the entire family is like a herd of cows. I'm sorry to say this, but it's true!

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Excuse me, is eating 1,5 (or more) times the the required maximum daily calorie intake a hereditary disorder?

Yes, you might have problems with metabolism or genetically passed down to be more "fat" - but with "genetic" stuff your damn kids only have a higher certain percentage probability of being fat, not "fat" by default. So maybe stop feeding them pies??

Or another idea, how about instead of stuffing yourself, you save part of that money & spend it on some therapy, prof. monitoring/counseling/training?

Another idea, TRY FINDING A STATIONARY JOB or working through the internet?? Ever heard of that? In today's world you can make a bloody living without actually needing to walk if that's your problem.


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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 21st 2009, 11:57 PM

Oh yes, i heard about this.

I realise that it's hard work to lose all of that weight once it's got to that severe stage but it's what people do - HARD work; and eventually it'll pay off. They're just lazy. Everyone needs and should do a bit of hard work in their life - otherwise they haven't achieved anything. Nothing comes easily. I find their excuses messed up.

What world do they live in? Fruit is basically the cheapest food source in the world.
I think the benefits they earn a year could have basically been enough to fit them all with gastric bands thus making sure they can't drain the benefits system anymore once they've lost all that weight and are able to work. The government obviously don't mind chucking £22,508 a year down the drain eh?


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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 22nd 2009, 12:51 AM

Why not use some of that money to hire a dietician who specializes on food shopping on a budget?


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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 22nd 2009, 01:36 AM

I don't sympathize.

There are people in this world who cannot afford to eat at all. It is a major problem. It only fuels anger and resentment toward western countries - it's the greatest threat to any country's security. And these selfish people are complaining that they're "too fat to work" and that they "need more money"? Get off your lazy *** and do some work. Go for a jog. Do something.

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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 22nd 2009, 01:45 AM

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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 23rd 2009, 01:24 AM

Would you tell an anorexic person who is too weak to work to just go eat a burger? I highly doubt it. These people clearly need some help.


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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 23rd 2009, 02:02 AM

Well, for starters, they could quit feeding their fat faces with damn near every (un)healthy product they can get their little fingers on. Then, they can get off their asses, go to a gym or do some exercises to cut those pounds. I'm amazed they actually got that much money in the first place. I can see this possibly inspiring other obese people and obese families to beg for money because they're too lazy to keep working.

If they don't want to take the effort to get dressed (hell knows they probably are fine for making breakfast a 5-course meal with some unhealthy slop) in the morning and go to work, at least get a job at their house or one that is very close by. I see plenty of obese people at campus, some that are bigger than the ones in this family, yet they still study, and of course, stuff their faces (not a generalization, I've had her in my 2nd year organic chemistry class and she just kept eating unhealthy slop).

They deserve more? For what, to make more trips to McDonalds or whatever crap it is they eat? These people are just trying to milk the system, and unfortunately, their doing a good job at it.
   
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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 23rd 2009, 03:10 AM

While i do believe that some people are naturally heavier than others, they should at least try. And i know people that are their size and bigger, they manage just fine to get to work everyday.



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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 23rd 2009, 05:34 AM

I'm going to point fingers at this whole "benefit" system.

It's ridiculous and I personally think it should be completely revamped... octo-mom anyone?

There's obviously something wrong when a family or person that works, makes the same, maybe even less than a family that does nothing and recieves benefits.

Some people are completely OK with doing nothing and mooching off of others... and when we let them, who can blame them? But when someone copies your homework or borrows something and never returns it... do you keep giving it to them?

I'm not going to be biased and say they need to get off their ass and exercise because I don't know them. They have their problems, as does everyone else... but i'm sure they won't be too motivated to start losing weight and find a job when they keep getting a big fat cheque (no pun intended ) from the government.

I realize some people on benefits actually need it... but I think they should be getting support in different ways.
   
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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 23rd 2009, 11:55 AM

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Would you tell an anorexic person who is too weak to work to just go eat a burger? I highly doubt it. These people clearly need some help.
Being anorexic is a diagnosed psychological disorder. Being overweight is not (unless the person has been diagnosed as having an eating disorder).

Seeing as this article mentions no such things, I believe they are are entitled to NO benefits. If you can't work because of your own choices, then you deserve no benefits. ESPECIALLY off the backs of other hardworking people.
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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 23rd 2009, 12:12 PM

Wow. These people don't deserve any money from benefits. They need to go out and work, just like everybody else. Whether they believe it or not, they actually can grow their own vegetables, and fruit isn't horribly expensive.


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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 23rd 2009, 12:41 PM

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I believe that the family do need help, just not financially.
   
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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 23rd 2009, 03:32 PM

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I believe that the family do need help, just not financially.
They are getting "help", but instead of putting that money to good use they are using it to continue to stuff themselves with pies & claiming "we don't know what to do!".


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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 23rd 2009, 04:09 PM

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They are getting "help", but instead of putting that money to good use they are using it to continue to stuff themselves with pies & claiming "we don't know what to do!".
I can't see anywhere where it says that they're getting non-financial help. Feel free to point it out :]

I think that a good dietician would be the most beneficial form of help. Obviously they're going to need some self-motivation too, though.
   
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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 23rd 2009, 04:20 PM

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I can't see anywhere where it says that they're getting non-financial help. Feel free to point it out :]

I think that a good dietician would be the most beneficial form of help. Obviously they're going to need some self-motivation too, though.
I agree, and they could see a dietician on the NHS or privately with the money that they're getting from government hand-outs.

I think what it comes down to, is these people are lazy. They are definitely NOT too fat to work, heck there are teachers at my school who are fatter than them, and they still manage to work every day. And the daughter saying that she has no time to exercise because she has college, that's just ridiculous. She controls what she puts in her mouth. Maybe she should start eating a few less pies and walking rather than jumping on the nearest bus, then perhaps she wouldn't be in such a state.


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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 23rd 2009, 04:40 PM

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I can't see anywhere where it says that they're getting non-financial help. Feel free to point it out :]

I think that a good dietitian would be the most beneficial form of help. Obviously they're going to need some self-motivation too, though.
Huh? When I said help* I meant the financial kind. I do not think the gov should intrude by forcing them into therapy/exercise routines, instead they are providing money for support, yet that "help" (money) is just continually contributing to the problem of being overweight by them:
1. Describing their eating routine/products & what food they spend that money on.
2. Them continuing not working because they get benefits anyway & now claiming they need more.

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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 23rd 2009, 04:40 PM

*sigh*...
This is just bloody ridiculous...
There just isn't anymore I can say on it...pies and chips for dinner? o.o What?...

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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 23rd 2009, 06:35 PM

Oh, PLEASE. Yes, these people need help with their diets, but they are NOT too fat to work. They don't deserve more money. There are people in the world with NO money who work their asses off every single day. And these people do what, lay around and complain that their genetics are preventing them from going for a walk in the morning or choking down a green salad once in a while?!

It is harder for some people than others to maintain a healthy lifestyle, and I'm not discounting that. But these people just don't want to. Have they ever even tried to eat healthy? And there's no way those people are too fat to work. They're obviously not going to be working as supermodels anytime soon, but that's not stopping them from doing other things.


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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 23rd 2009, 07:53 PM

They don't seem helpless, they can still stand up and smile...

They're not even half as bad as this one woman where she weighed like XXX pounds and had been stuck to her bed for 4-5 years. But even that person tried to help herself! She started a diet, had a surgery proceedure to try to shave off XXX-XXX pounds off herself... Sadly this person died shortly before her scheduled 2nd surgery.

If they can stand up, go to a fast-food joint every week, go to school, while still able to smile in front of a camera, they are not helpless.

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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 23rd 2009, 08:22 PM

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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 23rd 2009, 09:32 PM

Those family members are sad. Maybe if they planted veggies and ate those instead of pies they would lose weight and get a job.


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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 23rd 2009, 10:08 PM

All that healthy food, like fruit and veg, is too expensive.

Thats fucked up! We grow our own veg, it isn't an excuse, doesn't even seem like they try.


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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 24th 2009, 02:46 AM

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Being anorexic is a diagnosed psychological disorder. Being overweight is not (unless the person has been diagnosed as having an eating disorder).

Seeing as this article mentions no such things, I believe they are are entitled to NO benefits. If you can't work because of your own choices, then you deserve no benefits. ESPECIALLY off the backs of other hardworking people.
Fair enough. Then the government should send them for psychiatric evaluations. If the psychiatrist thinks that they have an eating disorder then they should be given help to deal with that disorder, rather than just money to survive. If the psychiatrist doesn't think they have an eating disorder then I'd say it's fair to stop giving them money. In either case, they should be given help finding jobs that are within their abilities.


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Re: Family who are "too fat to work" say £22,000 worth of benefits is not enough - March 24th 2009, 11:10 AM

This is ridiculous! Come on. I know people that are a lot heavier than them and they work and even some do labor jobs. I mean seriously, taking money and claiming they can't work because of their weight is outrageous. You can eat healthy and have it not be horribly expensive. I eat healthy, and I don't spend a crap ton of money. Everyone has the choice. They just don't want to bother with it or bother with exercise. No one's shoving food into their mouths. Even walking every day is a good start, and I'm sure they can all take 30mins out of their day to do that. Or there's also exercises you can do right from home that involve no buying of machines and they can do that. Just pure laziness. I never thought I'd see something like this, but obesity is taking over the world. Pathetic-ness at its best.




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