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"All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 06:44 PM

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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 06:49 PM

I don't think they should do this. I wouldn't want to be tested for depression & screening people with no symptoms, it just seems a little.. extreme? idk.


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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 06:57 PM

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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 07:04 PM

Not to mention it would cost millions.

Besides, if I had depression I would not want anyone else to know unless I told them
   
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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 07:07 PM

I'm definitely not into that. Me yeah sure I'm depressed, have been for about 5 years, never been diagnosed, never been counseled and certainly have never been medically treated. The last thing I want are some doctors asking me stupid questions and then deciding I'm "sick" and wanting me to take some medication I don't want. I think it's an invasion of privacy, especially kids who show no symptoms.


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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 07:20 PM

In my opinion, Its just to make having depression popular & cool.

Its like advertising depression, like you would a car.

Testing every teen for depression...no way mate.


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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 07:34 PM

Surely if you havent cosen to go get tested, you could just lie? I mean its not hard to fake you dont have depression.

I'm not entirely sure where I stand. Perhaps depression screening should become part of a normal check-up, which is the default, but you can if you wish opt out on, if you request it? To be fair though, if we are ok with routine check-ups of any kinda, why shouldnt this be included? I mean, obviously due to social stigma, more consideration is required, such as action to be followed, whether or not parents should be told, etc, but mental health problems are health problems. Depression is treatable, and it
might help with the kids who really want help, but dont know where to get it, or are scared to ask their parents to take them for a depression screening. Also, I think a lot of people don't nessecerily know what they have is 'depression' by name.

I wonder if this was a screening for a 'physical' illness, if people would be against it?

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I've been depression since before my teens, other then the people I've told, and my close friends, no one can tell. Infact my psychiatrist, even though I told him about how I felt, and even after he diagnoised be with depression came out with a 'you seem happy'. Lots of us are good at hiding it from the world Not always intentionally, it just becomes habit.

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Not if they simply did it through schools or through doctors during check-ups. A lot of the current, inital assessment tests are like short questionnaires, that fit on an A4 page, and can be marked quickly. It really wouldnt cost millions.

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Yeah, for it to be depression, it's got to be for an extended period of time... so 'getting down now and then' doesnt really count. The article suggested 6% of teenagers suffer from clinical level depression. That's quite a big number, for such a vital time in life.

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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 07:39 PM

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In my opinion, Its just to make having depression popular & cool.

Its like advertising depression, like you would a car.
I don't know if it's just me but that didn't really make sense with the actual article.

I don't think they should test everyone for depression, people with a family history should probably be tested and that's about it.
I bet there are a lot of teens already being treated for depression who don't really have it and are just the victim of overreacting parents and doctors.


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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 07:41 PM

I'd say yes because of the insane teen suicide problem (more deaths from suicide than road accidents?? and apparently our roads are unsafe???)

However I think the money would be better spent on educating teachers and workers, I mean every person working with children over here has to do a course educating them on rape etc., surely we can implement something similar to do with teen suicide?
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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 07:54 PM

I think it's just side effect of the fix it now, I'll take a pill for how I don't feel well society that is present. No need to freak people out. If only 6% of teens on average have depression - that means that 94% are in the clear. As for the greater good, 94% is enough to convince me that this is unnecessary.


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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 08:05 PM

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I think it's just side effect of the 'fix it now' I'll take a pill for how I don't feel well society that is present. No need to freak people out. If only 6% of teens on average have depression - that means that 94% are in the claer. As for the greater good, 94% is enough to convince me that this is unnecessary.
Ehmm unnecessary? Over here we're voting in free (taxpayers pay) cervical cancer vaccines for girls. I'm pretty sure more teens commit suicide than people die from cervical cancer...
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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 08:07 PM

Union of V - I'd like to see a source to prove it please. Until then, I'm not taking that as a valid claim. :P
Also, I'm not sure what kind of medical system Ireland has and if it's more socialized than US medicine or not.


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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 08:08 PM

I think it's a good idea to make it a part of routine check-ups. If there's a problem, it needs to be found so it can be treated.


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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 08:22 PM

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I think it's just side effect of the fix it now, I'll take a pill for how I don't feel well society that is present. No need to freak people out. If only 6% of teens on average have depression - that means that 94% are in the clear. As for the greater good, 94% is enough to convince me that this is unnecessary.
The news article pointing out that this isn't a suggestion for just medication. They reccomend actual treatment, including therapy, not just pills.

As far as teen health issues go, 6% is quite high. Not to mention, I think 6% is still probably an underestimate. And self harm is apparently increasing from its 1 in 10 teens rate.

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Union of V - I'd like to see a source to prove it please. Until then, I'm not taking that as a valid claim. :P
Also, I'm not sure what kind of medical system Ireland has and if it's more socialized than US medicine or not.
In the UK, per 100,000 people, 6.8 people will die by suicide. Per 100,000 women, 9.1 are diagnoised with cervical cancer. So putting this to the population as a whole, assuming there's nearly a 50/50 gender split, aboutout of every 100,000 people, there are about 4.5 cases of cervical cancer. This isn't the death rate either. Therefore, more people in the UK commit suicide.

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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 08:25 PM

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Union of V - I'd like to see a source to prove it please. Until then, I'm not taking that as a valid claim. :P
Also, I'm not sure what kind of medical system Ireland has and if it's more socialized than US medicine or not.
Can't get a direct reference to the introduction of the vaccine. However there were 73 deaths from cervical cancer in 2008, compared with 401 deaths from suicide in 2005 (most recent I can find)
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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 08:28 PM

Depression isn't a disease.


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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 08:32 PM

I don't think they could accruately test teens for depression. Usually doctors don't like to diagnose kids/teens until they're at least 18 because of hormones and all that stuff. So I don't think it would do much help besides diagnosing and treating teens who DONT have depression!
   
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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 08:37 PM

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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 08:38 PM

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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 08:40 PM

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Can't get a direct reference to the introduction of the vaccine. However there were 73 deaths from cervical cancer in 2008, compared with 401 deaths from suicide in 2005 (most recent I can find)
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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 08:42 PM

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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 08:45 PM

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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 08:49 PM

Um... seems like too much of a waste of resources to screen EVERYONE... I'm pretty sure tons more people will be diagnosed... but who don't even have depression at all... I think US is overdiagnosing teens with medical conditions...


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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 09:49 PM

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Um... seems like too much of a waste of resources to screen EVERYONE... I'm pretty sure tons more people will be diagnosed... but who don't even have depression at all... I think US is overdiagnosing teens with medical conditions...

I completely agree with you on this, which is why many counselors/therapists/psychs frown upon diagnosing teenagers with anything. Even many adults are misdiagnosed, but teens have more of a chance of being misdiagnosed because their hormones are higher than adults.
   
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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 09:53 PM

I think it's a good idea, but it needs revising.

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Um... seems like too much of a waste of resources to screen EVERYONE...
I think I agree. Maybe they should make it, free testing for anyone who thinks they need/ want it.






   
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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 09:54 PM

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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 09:57 PM

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I completely agree with you on this, which is why many counselors/therapists/psychs frown upon diagnosing teenagers with anything. Even many adults are misdiagnosed, but teens have more of a chance of being misdiagnosed because their hormones are higher than adults.
No offence, but teenagers are frequently (and supposed to be, but with age specific tests) diagnoised with various mental health issues. Hormones would not cause a constant state of depression for an extended period. The thing they avoid diagnoising are personality disorders. These are very specific things, and there's only 7 of them.

I assume with these tests, they would be looking for indication, to follow on to a real, full assessment. Like when I was diagnoised, I got tested on a quick test by my doctor, and then referred to the professionals (I've had this more then once).

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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 10:04 PM

Heh. No thanks.
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Hmm, but questionnaires are flawed, given that they have the tendency to cause mass hysteria. Another flaw = people lie. Let's face it, who really wants to be diagnosed with depression? People who are really depressed are highly unlikely to tell the truth on the questionnaire to avoid being 'caught' as such.
Other people may lie to get attention, so people who aren't depressed would be flagged as someone who may be depressed.

Basically, questionnaires are ineffective. If they really cared, they would do the brain pattern analysis (I don't remember what it's called) that shows for signs of depression. That can't be lied to. But it's a lot more expensive, yeah, I don't think that's going to happen any time soon.


   
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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 11:08 PM

Maybe it'll lead to an increase of depressed teenagers.


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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 30th 2009, 11:32 PM

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What's the difference between a disease and a disorder?

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Maybe it'll lead to an increase of depressed teenagers.
If it does, it'll be because more are actually getting diagnosed.

I personally think this is a good idea. If this is caught early, I think it could really help people. It also could help people whose parents will not get them help for their depression. If they are forced to be tested for it, then their parents will have to know about it and do something.


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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 31st 2009, 12:35 AM

Hm, I've got mixed feelings about this.

Personally, if my doctor or, heck, even my school guidance counselor were to give me a screening test, whether it was part of a routine one or otherwise - I would lie and be sure the results showed I'm as happy as can be. I would not want my school or even my parents knowing, because that would be more trouble than it's worth. I know many others who would do the same.

I do agree that catching the signs of depression before it escalates is important, and treating it before it gets too bad is important as well. However, while it may help some, I do believe many teens are just going to lie or not take the test seriously.

Honestly? How many of you would WANT your school knowing you're depressed? Especially with the stigma associated with topics such as depression and suicide. I just don't believe this is the right thing to do at all.



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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 31st 2009, 12:37 AM

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Hm, I've got mixed feelings about this.

Personally, if my doctor or, heck, even my school guidance counselor were to give me a screening test, whether it was part of a routine one or otherwise - I would lie and be sure the results showed I'm as happy as can be. I would not want my school or even my parents knowing, because that would be more trouble than it's worth. I know many others who would do the same.

I do agree that catching the signs of depression before it escalates is important, and treating it before it gets too bad is important as well. However, while it may help some, I do believe many teens are just going to lie or not take the test seriously.

Honestly? How many of you would WANT your school knowing you're depressed? Especially with the stigma associated with topics such as depression and suicide. I just don't believe this is the right thing to do at all.
Yeah i agree, a lot of people would just lie because they don't want to be known as depressed. Screening in the form of a questionnaire just sounds a bit stupid really. Cos, well, people can easily tick boxes saying that they're fine.


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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 31st 2009, 01:16 AM

I might add that with questionnaires, there are always at least a few kids that like to jumble the results and put the extremes for everything. That, and people would probably have a tendency to lie, which in a lot of cases would be understandable.
I think that this would take a lot of time, money, and work to put into action, and I'm not sure if the results will be accurate enough to warrant all of that.


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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 31st 2009, 01:29 AM

Absolutely not.
First of all, it would probably become a "cool" thing to do, which isn't what we want.

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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 31st 2009, 03:21 AM

No, not every teen. But there should be the availability of anonymous tests in all schools.
   
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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 31st 2009, 03:33 AM

Many many teens don't get help because they're afraid of their parents. If it's required to get checked, many more cases of it will be caught, and helped. It should just be required with a normal physical.

I was talking about this with my mom, and my main concern would be overdiagnosing. Which I'm not sure how to figure that one out. I do know for a fact I would have gotten my depression caught sooner if I would have been screened for it. My brother would be getting help, because my mom refuses to let him go get help. My cousin wouldn't have been in a rehab because he would have gotten screened for it - since he had no freaking clue what was wrong with him.

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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 31st 2009, 03:41 AM

I see this as being unnecessary and probably ineffective. First, it's going to cost millions to administer and produce the tests, then have someone to grade it. Second, let's say that the tests are accurate (big assumption) and they find there to be lots of depressed teenagers. Since this article harps on about psychotherapy as well as medication, the therapists and doctors are going to be flooded, the wait times will be even longer and there may be an issue of who gets priority. setting up a program designed only for this is fine, however, where are you going to get the money, the doctors, the therapists, the medications, the space, etc...? Third, using a questionnaire isn't necessarily the best way. It's cheap, quick and easy, however, 1 simple questionnaire is inadequate for a diagnosis because what's to show that it's reliable and valid? Beck's Depression Inventory is a commonly-used one, however, for seniors and some youth, it's not reliable. The best is a multidimensional approach, however, that will take far more time, more money, etc... .

Lastly, there's an issue of the test-takers. Let's suppose someone is depressed and they know it but they're undiagnosed. Depression has a large stigmatization and stereotyping, so would they want to have their results show they're depressed and be ridiculed? If it's 1 short questionnaire, then lying isn't too hard.

This idea may mean well, however, I see it as very unnecessary, ineffective and costing too damn much. One other thing that may be a problem is considering when the person writes it, hence, time of measurement. The economy is rather in the shitter and people as it is wouldn't be too over-joyed by that, so the environment is also a bit depressing. Now, you're going to assess if the person is depressed and I'm sure there will be some questions on one's environment.

Other problem is cultural diversity. What if one's culture is to keep disorders within the family? This questionnaire implies that people would be honest, however, cross-cultural variation is huge and I will be amazed if this short, detailed questionnaire can get past it.

Also, such a brief questionnaire would probably result in over-diagnosing. From a superficial level, one may seem to vaguely meet the criteria and be dubbed depressed. However, a closer look, something this questionnaire probably won't do, cannot assess that. So, over-diagnosing is going to be a big problem.

Overall, I say it sounds like a fail.
   
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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 31st 2009, 04:17 AM

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If it does, it'll be because more are actually getting diagnosed.
No, that's not what I mean. When this movie came out awhile ago about catatonic schizophrenia, more people were suddenly having symptoms of it. Why is it that a lot of girls in the US suffer from PMS compared to other nations? Why is it that many men in the US aren't scared of their penises retracting and killing them when compared to other countries? Why aren't there many people in the US concerned about becoming a windigo? Why is it that there is such a high case of bulimia compared to other non-Western countries?


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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 31st 2009, 04:34 AM

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Re: "All Teens Should be Tested for Depression" - March 31st 2009, 05:38 AM

I'd rather not be told I am depressed even if I was. This shouldn't be enforced. Some people want to go untreated and such.


   
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