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Forum: Current Events and Debates June 16th 2009, 02:47 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

Right, but if fetuses have a subconscious already in place, and they are responding to stimuli subconsciously, then doesn't that show the extent of their mental capacity?
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 15th 2009, 09:42 AM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

Oh, sorry. Its in one of my previous posts on this thread. I'll grab it.

Week 16 - Month 4 Fetal development information baby Facial expressions is developing growing inside you over weeks months...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 15th 2009, 02:24 AM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

Brain activity. At 16 weeks, a fetus can not only hear, but RECOGNIZE the sound of its mother's voice and pick out the voices of different people who are regularly around. Its nervous system is...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 14th 2009, 11:23 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

Unborn babies DO have consciousness after 15 weeks.



And by that logic, it would make sense to be allowed to lawfully kill babies until after the umbilical cord is cut, as all of the baby's...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 9th 2009, 08:23 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

In that case, lets discuss it. When do you believe a person is considered a person?
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 9th 2009, 01:00 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

Actually you're wrong. I looked for abortion pictures at the 11th week (once the baby is considered a fetus) and that's I found. But thanks for assuming that I was trying to manipulate the debate by...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 9th 2009, 12:17 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

This is why abortions are disgusting. Please be warned that there are pictures of aborted fetuses on this page, which may be triggering. I definitely found some of them disturbing.
...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 8th 2009, 10:25 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

Wow. I guess we'll just never understand each other then... I'm sorry about that.
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 8th 2009, 10:20 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

You're not reducing the fetus' rights. You're saying it doesn't have any. Yes, I value the rights of the mother over the rights of the fetus, but you're saying the fetus has NO RIGHTS. Do you see the...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 8th 2009, 09:06 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

Firstly, I think that every single person alive has the ability to help make the world a better place, even if its just their tiny corner of it. If that fetus, after they are born, could make one...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 8th 2009, 07:46 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

It doesn't make any difference. I don't consider pregnancy a "consequence for doing the nasty" I consider it a sacrifice of 9 months to give someone the gift of life (which, unless there it poses...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 8th 2009, 07:33 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

The way the mother got pregnant has nothing to do with the outcome of abortion: death of the fetus. The circumstances of pregnancy can differ (as I've said before if there are special cases where...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 8th 2009, 04:51 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

I totally agree. However there is a difference. A 16-year-old girl should get priority, but by allowing abortion of a fetus (Not an embryo. A fetus) in normal circumstances, (so excluding the...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 8th 2009, 04:23 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

1 and 2. Your definition of a human being is debatable. And don't compare a fetus to skin cells. That's just insulting. After 10 weeks of pregnancy, as I've shown with sources in my previous posts,...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 8th 2009, 03:46 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

The difference though is that we're not asking the mother to give up her life for "the potential life" of the baby. So its not a matter of equality. I agree that when it comes down to literal NEEDS,...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 8th 2009, 03:22 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

So you don't see the potential for human life as important? Because if that fetus were not aborted it would undoubtedly become a person (even if you don't believe that it is a person in the womb, you...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 7th 2009, 11:18 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

Josh, from what I've been reading, it seems to me that many of the people with this view firstly: don't take the the child into account at all. As they don't believe the child is alive, they only...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 7th 2009, 02:46 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

Unfortunately, that's really hard to prove or disprove, as we have not been in that situation, so there are no statistics to work off of. But I can attempt to extrapolate from the data that we...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 6th 2009, 09:08 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

I don't believe in killing animals, or any other living thing unless it is necessary to my survival. And abortion does not fall into that category.
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 6th 2009, 10:41 AM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

I think that the situation surrounding overflow of the foster care system has been blown way out of proportion.


There are currently approximately 74,494,632 people alive in the United Stated...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 09:18 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

I actually just realized that I misinterpreted Gidig's statement. I took "And don't say "Not that bad" until you've felt how ever person who's pregnant has felt." to mean, unless you have been...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 08:33 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

Umm... I guess you haven't read any of my previous posts in this thread.

I AM CURRENTLY 31 WEEKS PREGNANT

and yeah, it definitely aint fun. My own pregnancy has had several harmful...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 07:25 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

That's not exactly what I meant. A woman should talk to the father and any relatives she feels she can talk to. She should explain how she feels and why she feels the way she does. I would also say...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 07:14 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

Then she should talk about it! Its something that needs to be discussed and understood fully before she makes that sort of a decision anyways.
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 07:04 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Late term abortion

That sucks... But if the mother is absolutely dead-set against going through the rest of the pregnancy, at least that would allow a chance for the baby to survive. And then she could give him or her...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 06:51 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

I just posted a new thread for anyone who wants to share their views on adoption, since that's been coming up a lot in this thread.

Back to the point of abortion, I don't see why the father...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 06:21 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

I've gotta go with Josh on this one. As an adoptee, we have to face problems and emotional pitfalls that others may not have to, but then again, there are problems we might not have that others do....
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 06:07 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

I've already agreed that if its a matter of medical complications creating risk to the mother, or rape, I agree with terminating the pregnancy. So yes, I was aware of these grey areas.



Oh,...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 05:57 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

Here, let me try something else.

It has been argued by some (I've been here since the original post, so I've read too many posts to remember which person said it) that a woman shouldn't have to...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 05:43 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

I know it causes a lot of problems. What I am saying is that no matter how bad it is, unless the woman's life is at risk (which would be considered torture), it is not bad enough to justify not...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 05:27 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

Its already been agreed that rape is an acceptable reason to have an abortion.

9 months of psychological torture? Huh? In normal cases of pregnancy (even unwanted pregnancy) although there is...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 04:06 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

I'm so. so sorry for your loss and I don't think anyone would blame you for your situation.
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 03:02 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

I would argue that after 10 weeks (once the baby is considered a "fetus"), abortion should not be allowed. Because at 10 weeks all of the baby's organs are in place. (including the brain and the...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 12:32 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

Yes, the abortion topic is integrally connected to the adoption topic, as adoption is the other option (the option that allows for life) so embryos who do not get aborted would instead later get...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 01:41 AM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

I'd have to disagree with you there. Just because a woman (or couple) takes precautions, why should abortion become a better option than adoption?
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 01:27 AM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

The stats were meant specifically for Brandon (just as an informative thing), not to be used as fuel for this debate. Sorry if I confused anyone.
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 12:31 AM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

Just thought I'd add some statistical fact to my statement. Generally, 15 of every 100 couples who use condoms will become pregnant. Considering how many people use condoms, thinking that they are a...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 12:18 AM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

Although I've agreed on all of your other statements, "if you use protection, you're more than likely not to get pregnant" is inaccurate. You would be surprised how many babies are born to those who...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 12:13 AM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

It might be harsh, but I think that destroying the opportunity for life just to keep from having to make a tough decision down the road is selfish and immature.
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 5th 2009, 12:06 AM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

The BEST option for all parties? And if it came down to the difficult decision of giving the baby up for adoption after you realize that you can't support him or her, I know how hard this decision is...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 4th 2009, 11:55 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

So put the kid up for adoption! If a woman gets pregnant (and if there aren't huge extenuating circumstances ex- rape, serious medical risk) she has a responsibility to allow the life she created to...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 4th 2009, 11:44 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

I do condone abortion in the case of severe medical risk to the mother. However, in the other cases you mentioned, it does not matter whether or not a woman WANTS this child, or whether it will...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 4th 2009, 11:36 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

I recently posted this. Can someone please give me an answer?
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 4th 2009, 11:33 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

Originally Posted by lost-myself http://forums.teenhelp.org/images/element/buttons_blue/viewpost.gif (http://forums.teenhelp.org/showthread.php?p=157945#post157945) ...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 4th 2009, 09:46 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

And even if her parents did kick her out (which most wouldn't) there are many, many women's shelters, emergency accommodations, and other free resources for expectant and single mothers.
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 4th 2009, 09:24 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

I don't understand. What are these mental and physical effects which would make it implausible for a woman to give 9 months in order for her baby to live, and then give the baby up for adoption? (I...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 4th 2009, 08:55 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

I think that what he means to say by calling himself "the embryo" is that he was in the situation of an embryo which could have been aborted if his biological mother had chosen to take that route. He...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 4th 2009, 07:19 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Abortion is wrong.

I've been a part of these discussions on TH before, and I totally have to agree with Josh. I also don't think its fair to disregard his statements just because he's a man and would never have to make...
Forum: Current Events and Debates June 4th 2009, 12:03 PM
Replies: 336
Triggering: Abortion is wrong.
Views: 12,844
Posted By PhoenixAlive
Re: Late term abortion

After the baby is viable, couldn't they just induce labor or perform a c-section to get the baby out without killing him or her?
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