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is it really never the only option? triggering suicide - May 7th 2015, 12:40 PM

[font="Book Antiqua"][color="DarkOrchid"][size="3"]=Sad-eyed slime;1184091]What if it really is the only option. How can someone from the outside say it is not the only option. Maybe i have a perspwctive that they dont.Then again maybe they have a perspective that I don't. But what if it really is the only option. How can you prove things will get better? Why do people assume I'm not thinking rationally if I'm suicidal? Or that i have clouded thinking? I'm actually sitting here and being rational and now my logic agrees with my emotions so there's nothing that can tell me not to.

Yes I'm in pain, but I'm also thinking about it in a euthanasia sort of way. Like the pain never ends. Even when it ends for a period of time, it comes back full force. Is that pattern going to end? Or when people say it gets better are they referring to the teeny tiny moments of air that I get every now and again. I'm literally weighing the pros and cons like a perfectly sane person in good mental health would. Which is what I am. I don't have a mental illness because even depression and anxiety are more like signals telling me I'm living here longer I should be and that's why I'm feeling so horrible. It is like an alarm clock telling me something isn't right. And that thing that isn't right is that I'm prolonging this when I should have been dead long ago

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Re: is it really never the only option? triggering suicide - May 7th 2015, 10:39 PM

This topic is one reason why suicide is such a complex subject. I like to believe that almost anyone - regardless of their circumstances - possesses the strength and ability to overcome their demons and find a decent life for themselves. On the other hand, I find it offensive when people - especially those who have never struggled with depression of any kind - write off suicide as being "selfish" or "cowardly."

At the end of the day, while I would never advocate anyone taking their own life, I also would not dismiss or look down upon anyone who has done so. Suicide is ... a personal choice. I think that's the best way I can put it.

I don't know if I have offered any real answers to your post, and to be honest, I'm not sure there are any. How can anyone really prove that things will get better? Truthfully ... they can't. It's one of the reasons why this subject is such a gray area. I'm not sure there are any concrete right or wrong answers.

Thanks for this post - it gives us a few things worth thinking about
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Re: is it really never the only option? triggering suicide - May 8th 2015, 03:50 AM

It's a difficult one, I mean I have never been suicidal, but yet here I am talking to people about how to conquer suicide. Euthanasia is technically a form of suicide, so I can see the comparison between the two. It's the thoughts behind those actions that are the key to why the concept of suicide is not something that's accepted, and why people are so desperate to prevent it.

The feeling of self-loathing, the feeling that you mean nothing, that's the bit that the person involved sees wrong. I mean the pain is very real and I can accept pain as being a justification for suicide, but when people say that they have no reason to be alive, that they have no value, it becomes desperate to let people see the contribution they make to the world.

I mean seriously, someone might be in pain, but even in pain, you make a contribution to the world around you through the advice you give to others, through the inspiration you give to people around you..... in fact, hang on. I gave a response to someone asking them about this concept of the world being better off without them and I fundamentally recommend you read this.

Look, it's a very interesting part of the whole vast array of trains of thought that suicidal people can go through and it can be very difficult to explain. I commend you for thinking about it so well and it is a very refreshing standpoint. That bad people simply don't care if they have caused harm to other people, if you're hurting, it means you care about the perceived hurt, and that's fundamentally human.

Regardless, I like to think about this way. Now say there's a girl, who believes the world would be better off without her. What about future generations? That girl is going to have a child and that child goes to Medical School, where in an experiment, he accidentally finds a way to treat a landmark disease.

What about the people who have heard the person's story? A troubled girl will see a thread about a young man who has trouble believing that he adds value to the world. She then remembers that she is not alone is the dramas facing her and she, in this fantastic revelation, puts the blades away one night.

She then posts about her own struggles, buoyed by the bravery of the man she heard from earlier, on a particular online mental health support service. A few months later she decides it's her mission to help people facing the same feelings she copped earlier in life. She becomes a volunteer crisis support worker and saves lives for a living.

And what about the parents of the person involved? They have two beautiful daughters, one of whom decided one day that she couldn't take it anymore and committed suicide seconds from her fifteenth birthday. Afterwards, they decide that every day they would remind themselves to look at their other daughter and work restlessly to never give her the same fate her sister found.

I am talking about the stories of the direct and indirect ramifications of the end of a life, for the people who are affected by that decision. Some, the poster doesn't know yet, some don't exist yet and some people who are affected by the decision were right there the whole time.

Next time someone tells you that life would better without them, ask them about the effects of any suicide, for future generations, strangers who hear about the suicide and the people who stand right with them.

That's the reason we need you to stay alive, because if you don't understand that you make a contribution to the world and that you inspire people, even behind the scenes, then that's something you need to be reminded of before you make any decision to take your own life. So the concept of suicide is a broad one and suicide in itself is probably not the issue that's so desperately targeted in prevention.

It's the thoughts and the misconceptions of the value of self that underpin suicide, that really need to be eradicated. If someone believes that suicide is the final option, then there's not much we can do to prevent that. However, if you commit suicide for the ease of a pain, then you need to love yourself and know your worth, enough to justify the end of a life.

T.L.D.R: The reason we prevent a suicide, even in the case of an endorsement from the suicidal person, is because of the thoughts that underpin suicides.

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Re: is it really never the only option? triggering suicide - May 10th 2015, 01:21 AM

Thank you both for the responses. It just seems my mind comes up with newer ways to tempt me each time and I need help challenging my thoughts because as much as I can debate by myself I can use outside thoughts on this as well. You both raised good points. I guess this is more of a feeling that lingers in an undertone while there are layers of other moods superimposed but sometimes it gets tangled
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