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Weed - long term effects? - November 23rd 2009, 06:10 AM

I know, I know, yet another marijuana topic

According to my limited research, weed is a relatively safe drug, and certainly one of the safest mind-altering substances out there. I'm vaguely considering becoming a pretty frequent user, primarily to distract myself from who I am and to pass the time for the rest of my life. (before judging that as a bad solution, assume all others have been rendered ineffectual.) Thus, I'm curious - are there any serious, problematic long-term effects of frequent marijuana use?
   
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Re: Weed - long term effects? - November 23rd 2009, 02:04 PM

the only long term physical effects of smoking marijuana r a slightly siminished lung capacity and the goes away shortly after you stop. now you will find research saying it kill brain cells but those tests were done by anti drug groups with a vendetta to keep pot illeagal(forced smoke and only smoke on twst subjects for preolonges periods of time lost brain cells were from not getting enough air not the weed smoke itself)


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Re: Weed - long term effects? - November 23rd 2009, 02:15 PM

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There are a few unfavorable effects of frequent marijuana use. Smoking marijuana depletes serotonin levels; however, this regulates itself soon after you stop smoking. If you have any sort of mental illness, I do not reccomend smoking weed. It has been known to trigger mental illness in those who already have a predisposition, and can make any illness you already have worse.

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Re: Weed - long term effects? - November 23rd 2009, 09:31 PM

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Re: Weed - long term effects? - November 24th 2009, 01:35 AM

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the only long term physical effects of smoking marijuana r a slightly siminished lung capacity and the goes away shortly after you stop. now you will find research saying it kill brain cells but those tests were done by anti drug groups with a vendetta to keep pot illeagal(forced smoke and only smoke on twst subjects for preolonges periods of time lost brain cells were from not getting enough air not the weed smoke itself)
Likewise, "research" saying it doesn't have any effects is done by groups trying to get marijuana legalized. There isn't a whole lot of research that can be done on marijuana because it's illegal.

In my experiences, everyone who has smoked frequently slows down with time and lose more and more of their personality. Eventually it's like they're just a warm body with no brain. Getting off weed is hell once you're into it, so watch out. Also, if you have any level or kind of depression, BPD, schizophrenia, or any other mental illness it can induce some terrible paranoia, hallucinations, and a generally terrible time. I suppose the risk is yours to take, but keep in mind that it's illegal. Also, I'm not just telling you all of the negative effects to scare you off it, I really want you to think about things. Everyone who I've known to smoke pot has more or less become dumber as time goes on and they continue to smoke and other things can happen like losing friends and having worse relationships with family with prolonged drug use.


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Re: Weed - long term effects? - November 24th 2009, 01:54 AM

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Thanks for the words o' warning, but I honestly don't care about that part very much; hell, it borders on being a benefit.

   
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Re: Weed - long term effects? - November 24th 2009, 04:25 AM

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Likewise, "research" saying it doesn't have any effects is done by groups trying to get marijuana legalized. There isn't a whole lot of research that can be done on marijuana because it's illegal.

In my experiences, everyone who has smoked frequently slows down with time and lose more and more of their personality. Eventually it's like they're just a warm body with no brain. Getting off weed is hell once you're into it, so watch out. Also, if you have any level or kind of depression, BPD, schizophrenia, or any other mental illness it can induce some terrible paranoia, hallucinations, and a generally terrible time. I suppose the risk is yours to take, but keep in mind that it's illegal. Also, I'm not just telling you all of the negative effects to scare you off it, I really want you to think about things. Everyone who I've known to smoke pot has more or less become dumber as time goes on and they continue to smoke and other things can happen like losing friends and having worse relationships with family with prolonged drug use.
1. Weed is not hell too "get off", maybe if you have shitty willpower, but I've been smoking pretty much daily and have no problem when I don't smoke for a week, I've quit for 2 months just cause i didn't feel like smoking.
2. I really, really doubt that everyone you know that has smoked has become dumber, I agree that it can cause people to slow down, but mostly only when they're intoxicated, which is a very main reason why people smoke, because its relaxing.
3. I had severe depression pretty much when i started smoking, never once have I ever had a panic attack, paranoia. And Hallucinations? I'm not even going to comment on that one, If you know someone who has actually Hallucinated (CEV isn't uncommon, and if thats what you mean, I'm sorry) but if there actually seeing shit thats not really there, its not the weed thats causing it and they need to get too the doctor, cause the only person I know who's had that happen, was suffering from skitzophrenia. So he doesn't smoke anymore.
4. The whole "its illegal" argument doesn't really hold any meaning, Alchohol and Cigarettes are legal, and both are known to kill people, while Marijuanna has never been the CAUSE of the death (and by that, I mean there has never been an overdose)

Its your choice whether you want too smoke, if you do it one-two times you probably won't have any problems. You can even smoke every day if you want and not have problems, but some people do. So if you do decide to toke, cool. But if you start to have problems, don't smoke.
   
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Re: Weed - long term effects? - November 24th 2009, 05:48 AM

weed is addicting in the same way joggers are addicted to running they like doing it so when u can you do it. oh and Keeley no offense but u clearly have no idea what u r talking about studies done as recently as 2005 in contries where marijuana is legal show it has little to no long term effects the studies weren't done in the usa because our dumb ass government wont addmit they were wrong to outlaw it in the first place. smokers can seem slower do to lower serotonin levels but as stated before that goes away once u stop any1 who says they r addicted is lying to themselves. most anti marijuana advocates have simply "drank the coolaid" the government tell us about it trying to make it seem bad but in reality the biggest danger about weed is the fact that it is illeagal. and i refuse to live my life by any laws i do not believe in weed may have risks but they r greatly outwheighed by its benefits, for god sakes much of the anti marijuana prapoganda u hear is based on tests donr back in the 50's and 60's trying to prove it was bad while the recent tests were done in countries who have it legal and were trying to see if there was any benefit to outlawing it and guess what there still tokin up


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Re: Weed - long term effects? - November 24th 2009, 06:52 AM

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Re: Weed - long term effects? - November 24th 2009, 08:52 AM

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the only long term physical effects of smoking marijuana r a slightly siminished lung capacity and the goes away shortly after you stop. now you will find research saying it kill brain cells but those tests were done by anti drug groups with a vendetta to keep pot illeagal(forced smoke and only smoke on twst subjects for preolonges periods of time lost brain cells were from not getting enough air not the weed smoke itself)
Wrong. There are other long-term effects that have been observed and published in scientific articles countless times, such as impaired memory, flat affect, etc... .

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In my experiences, everyone who has smoked frequently slows down with time and lose more and more of their personality. Eventually it's like they're just a warm body with no brain. Getting off weed is hell once you're into it, so watch out. Also, if you have any level or kind of depression, BPD, schizophrenia, or any other mental illness it can induce some terrible paranoia, hallucinations, and a generally terrible time. I suppose the risk is yours to take, but keep in mind that it's illegal. Also, I'm not just telling you all of the negative effects to scare you off it, I really want you to think about things. Everyone who I've known to smoke pot has more or less become dumber as time goes on and they continue to smoke and other things can happen like losing friends and having worse relationships with family with prolonged drug use.
First, can you please use a larger font when typing? Second, what are your sources for these claims, such as weed being hard to get off of? Weed forms psychological addictions, not physiological addictions. Although psychological addictions take some effort to get rid of, they're by far much easier than removing physiological addictions.

You do have a point with it affecting one's mental health, however, where is your evidence that it will cause paranoia and hallucinations only in those with mental illnesses? As far as I can tell, you can get the paranoia reactions even if you have no diagnosed mental illness, however, I'm interested in seeing your sources.

As for becoming dumber, well your claim gets confounded because people have so many factors influencing them not only weed. For example, if someone uses weed, then they may change their lifestyle a bit (i.e. go to class less), however, it'd be wrong to say weed directly caused a decrease in intelligence because it didn't, not going to class was the cause.

Also, using anecdotal, unverifiable evidence from whoever it is that you've known to be horribly affected isn't good evidence for a debate. You can bring it in if you want however support it with objective evidence, otherwise it gets dismissed very fast as does the argument you use that relies solely on such anecdotal evidence.

Lastly, there are other negative effects that you didn't mention, some of which are worse than having a paranoid episode, such as the correlation of cancer with weed use.
   
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Re: Weed - long term effects? - November 24th 2009, 08:54 PM

'Course, since I'm asking the question, I'm no expert, but it seems as though dangers would vary a lot via method of consumption; e.g. smoking would probably be one of the less healthy ways.
   
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Re: Weed - long term effects? - November 25th 2009, 12:10 AM

Firsly, you see all the adds for smoking tobacco and you see what you're doing to your lungs, smoking marijuana will have similar effects like emphysema.

Secondly, it has been found that marijuana use increases your likelihood of developing a mental illness such as schizophrenia and psychosis and it can really screw you over. It also impairs your memory and reaction time.

Also, when its use first became popular, it wasn't very strong. So it wouldn't have been as harmful.
Today, especially grown hydroponically, it is a whole lots stronger. Some varieties are around 5 time as strong.

Personally, I'd steer clear of it.


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Re: Weed - long term effects? - November 25th 2009, 12:53 AM

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Firsly, you see all the adds for smoking tobacco and you see what you're doing to your lungs, smoking marijuana will have similar effects like emphysema.

Secondly, it has been found that marijuana use increases your likelihood of developing a mental illness such as schizophrenia and psychosis and it can really screw you over. It also impairs your memory and reaction time.

Also, when its use first became popular, it wasn't very strong. So it wouldn't have been as harmful.
Today, especially grown hydroponically, it is a whole lots stronger. Some varieties are around 5 time as strong.


Personally, I'd steer clear of it.
Please, don't say things you don't have any idea about.
The potentness of the weed has nothing too do with how dangerous it is, the only difference how much the THC% is, is how much you have too smoke too get high, in alot of ways, its better because your getting way less smoke in your lungs.
And Hydroponic grows is just a different way to grow, its bassically the best way to grow indoors, its not going to affect how strong your weed is. The way its grown, whether its indoor/outdoor or hydroponics, has little effect on how potent its going to be. You can't throw some shitty seeds in a hydro grow op and expect your weed to be strong, you need to know what your doing when growing. you can put seeds from a good strain outside and grow it properly, it'll be stronger then your hydro grow. Just because its grown hydroponically doesn't mean its magically going to be more potent, you can have just as potent weed from growing outdoors/naturally.
And that whole "it wasn't very strong when it started being popular" thing is bullshit, most of the high name strains people smoke now have been around for quite a long time, so its been just as strong as it always has, its not magically getting stronger.
   
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Re: Weed - long term effects? - November 25th 2009, 03:11 AM

the memory loss effects r only while under the influence. ull have trouble remembering some of the shit u did while stoned. and if your worried about lung damage use a vaporizer it will do vitually 0 damage and its far more potent

and just so u dont think im a stoner trying togive an excuse for why i smoke. i did use weed frequently for about 5 years but as of june i no longer smoke(just got bored of it) i wll probably go to my grave saying weed is a good thing but i dont see myself smoking it for a while (military)


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Re: Weed - long term effects? - November 25th 2009, 07:24 AM

You're research is correct. Weed is probably the safest drug out there, and, in my experience, the only downfall is that smoking it requires a certain amount of funding. Depending on how much a person decides to buy, it can start to burn a whole in your wallet. (Not literally of course.)

As side effects go, this is a fairly harmless drug. Don't fall into the media hype that marijuana does severe lung damage or causes long term memory loss. Any sort of smoke will cause lung damage regardless of the material being burned. The anti-pot community has tried to assert that the effects of pot smoke are as damaging, if not more so, than that of cigarettes. This is not true however. You see, marijuana doesn't have the many active ingredients found in cigarettes, and therefore is safer to smoke. Carcinogens are the elements in smoke which cause prolonged lung damage, and marijuana has a very low level of carcinogens because it lacks the many harmful ingredients found in other substances. In fact, the chemical in marijuana that results in a high is called THC, which is short for Tetrahydrocannabinol. THC contains no carcinogens by itself, which means that if you use a vaporizer you can directly use marijuana without any lung damage. Grasscity.com has more information on these. Furthermore, even if a person does breathe in pot smoke, the effects are not long term and are no more dangerous than ordinary smoke. A documentary known as "Super High ME" studied the effects of an individual's use of marijuana every day for a month. The movie proved that after a certain period of time, a person will regain their full lung capacity even after smoking pot.

The short summary of the matter is that marijuana is not a dangerous drug. It can impare your abilities a bit, and it is true that most people should not drive while high, but other than that there is very little harm this drug to do. Many people will try to feed you lies that marijuana will ruin your life but don't buy into them. Hell, I smoke the stuff and I'm in the top ten percent of my class. Ultimately the choice s yours, but if you do decide to indulge in some weed, the world certainly won't come to an end.
   
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Re: Weed - long term effects? - November 25th 2009, 09:06 PM

Most of the arguments made in this thread are myths. Try to find a credible source for your information before making arguments; you will be much more likely to be taken seriously.

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Firsly, you see all the adds for smoking tobacco and you see what you're doing to your lungs, smoking marijuana will have similar effects like emphysema.


Smoking marijuana in moderation poses minimal risk to the lungs. Ciggarettes have all kinds of unnatural ingredients that marijuana does not contain, thus, ciggarettes are much more harmful.

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Secondly, it has been found that marijuana use increases your likelihood of developing a mental illness such as schizophrenia and psychosis and it can really screw you over. It also impairs your memory and reaction time.


While the heavy, heavy use of marijuana can rarely trigger temporary psychosis, there has been no scientific proof that marijuana causes long-term psychological effects. The effects of paranoia, slow reaction time, and anxiety are merely temporary.

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Again, this is a myth. When samples of marijuana have been taken and tested by law enforcement, this testing showed minimal to no increase in THC levels.

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Re: Weed - long term effects? - November 29th 2009, 03:51 AM

I do not suggest smoking weed to deal with mental issues.
   
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Firsly, you see all the adds for smoking tobacco and you see what you're doing to your lungs, smoking marijuana will have similar effects like emphysema.
Smoking marijuana can cause some damage to part of your respiratory system, however, cigarettes and marijuana contain different chemicals. Both will damage your lungs but the outcomes will likely be different.

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Secondly, it has been found that marijuana use increases your likelihood of developing a mental illness such as schizophrenia and psychosis and it can really screw you over.
While there is some support for this, you're ignoring three key things. First, the amount smoked is crucial. Second, the number of times or frequency it's smoked is crucial. Third, even though it can increase your likelihood, it's very little. On a scale of 10, it's maybe a 2, hardly more. Other factors, such as moving to various houses has about the same if not a greater effect.

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It also impairs your memory and reaction time.
True, it can impair your memory, however, this is only from long-term use and it does not impair it in a very significant way.

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Also, when its use first became popular, it wasn't very strong. So it wouldn't have been as harmful.
Today, especially grown hydroponically, it is a whole lots stronger. Some varieties are around 5 time as strong.
Now it's time for a little thing I call of citing your sources, and no, I don't consider something of "I once read" or "my friend/teacher told me" or other such anecdotal evidence as credible sources.

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and just so u dont think im a stoner trying togive an excuse for why i smoke. i did use weed frequently for about 5 years but as of june i no longer smoke(just got bored of it) i wll probably go to my grave saying weed is a good thing but i dont see myself smoking it for a while (military)
Did you attend English class over those five years?



I'm a frequent smoker of weed (two grams a day on average), and can honestly say that I can't really give any more than anecdotal evidence. However, that anecdotal evidence is pretty much just my experience and I don't exactly have the motivation to find factual evidence to back it up. All I can say is, over the past year the only problem I've found with smoking two grams a day is that I'm always constantly out of pocket. It's way too expensive here.


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Re: Weed - long term effects? - November 29th 2009, 04:13 PM

yes i also managed to complete high school 2 years early while stoned off my ass. the sloppy grammer u see on my post is mostly do to the fact that im usually thinking too fast to spellcheck so a lot of my typing is sloppy


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Re: Weed - long term effects? - December 1st 2009, 12:51 AM

Um, I guess you could go through life being stoned, but would you feel rewarded or fulfilled laying in your death bed and looking back at what you did all that time? I smoke. I will always smoke. Just not as often as I used to. Erowid.org is your friend. Long term effects, if you choose to smoke a lot of joints or blunt wraps with tobacco resin can increase your risks of getting cancer, your short term memory could be wrecked depending on how much you decide to smoke since you're going to be doing it a while, you may uncover a mental condition you didn't know about previously, and you might get fat. May I suggest smoking legal herb you can get at a smoke shop? I smoke an herb called Peace Out and it gives you the same high/ maybe a bit more intense then pot and the risks and side effects seem to be completely absent as it's completely naturally except for the bit of marshmallow mixed in.
   
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Re: Weed - long term effects? - December 1st 2009, 02:36 AM

After reading through this thread, I feel the topic and point has been lost. We're into a debate now, and the topic will always be debatable. The OP has enough here to form an opinion. I hope it is a choice that does him well. : ) So, I am closing this thread. If anyone has an issue, please PM it to me or Disputes.


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