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Differences In Educational Systems - September 10th 2009, 06:21 PM

I haven't seen a thread on this and I thought it would be a good idea to compare the educational systems of the countries most users come from so we can better understand what each other is talking about
U.S.
In the US we start with preschool at age 4, but it isn't legally required next is kindergarden at age 5 and after that, grades 1-6 are considered elementary school. Depending on your school system middle school is considered either grades 6-8, 5-9, 6 and 7, or 7 and 8. High school is most commonly grades 9-12 and we graduate after 12th grade which falls for most people between ages 17-19. Once we graduate we can go to college, into the work force, or into the military. You can drop out of high school at 18 or 16 with parental consent. SAT and ACTs (college entrance exams) are taken your Junior year so you have time to improve your score if you need to.

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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 10th 2009, 06:32 PM

Also to add that the US public school system is really what you make of it, it does not demand as much as some other European countries to graduate but there is also a larger oppurtunity to pursue other interests. Most U.S. systems have a lot of wiggle room so you can choose to take ridiculously hard classes or stupidly easy ones.

And of course, US has the overall best university system in the world.


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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 10th 2009, 06:49 PM

Well we go to Primary school from ages 5(ish) to 10/11. In our last year there we take an exam called SATs in Maths, English and Science (although people are trying to get rid of them now)
Then we go to secondary school from ages 11-15/16. In year 9(13/14 years old) we used to have SATs again in English Maths and Science but they've gone now. Now in Year 9 we start GCSEs and take final exams in year 11 but do coursework and some module tests throughout the 3 years (although my year was the last year to have year 9 SATs so we only got 2 years on GCSE).
After year 11 you have to stay on at school now until 18 and take exams called A Levels. You generally only take 4/5 A Levels and if you're doing 5 you have to drop at least one in the second year, you can drop one if you're taking 4 aswell. The first year of A Level is called AS and the second A2. Generally if you want to do a subject at A Level you have to have at least a C in that subject if you did it at GCSE but it varies with each school.
Then you're A Levels determine whether you get into university or not. I don't know much about Universities yet so someone else can add what they know. I think I've remembered everything but if I haven't then I'm sure someone else will say it.
   
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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 10th 2009, 07:04 PM

Yay, I get to pitch in the Irish education system.

Primary school from ages 5-12(ish).
-Junior Infants
-Senior Infants
-First Class
-Second Class
-Third Class
-Forth Class
-Fifth Class
-Sixth Class

Secondary school from ages 12(ish)-18(ish)
-First Year
-Second Year
-Third Year
Junior Certificate Examination (See: here)
-Forth Year/Transition Year (Not compulsory in all schools. See: here)
-Firth Year
-Sixth Year
Leaving Certificate Examination (See: here)

It's a fairly tough system, and it really does demand a lot.
   
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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 10th 2009, 07:46 PM

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Yay, I get to pitch in the Irish education system.

Primary school from ages 5-12(ish).
-Junior Infants
-Senior Infants
-First Class
-Second Class
-Third Class
-Forth Class
-Fifth Class
-Sixth Class

Secondary school from ages 12(ish)-18(ish)
-First Year
-Second Year
-Third Year
Junior Certificate Examination (See: here)
-Forth Year/Transition Year (Not compulsory in all schools. See: here)
-Firth Year
-Sixth Year
Leaving Certificate Examination (See: here)

It's a fairly tough system, and it really does demand a lot.
On damn why didn't I lay mine out like you did, it would have been so much simpler to write.
   
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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 10th 2009, 08:28 PM

General English School System:
Primary School -
Reception (Ages 4 - 5)
Year 1
Year 2 SATS exams
Year 3
Year 4
Year 5
Year 6 (Ages 10 - 11) SATS exams

Secondary School -
Year 7 (Ages 11 - 12)
Year 8 (Ages 12 - 13)
Year 9 (Ages 13 - 14) SATS exams
Year 10 (Ages 14 - 15)
Year 11 (Ages 15 - 16) GCSE exams (Normally about 9 subjects- Core subjects being Maths, English and Science)

After GCSE's you either leave school and go into a job, go to college to do either a college course or A-Levels or stay at school for sixthform and do A-Levels.


Sixthform
Year 12 (Ages 16 - 17) AS exams. Most people do 4 AS's. (Half of full A-Level)
Year 13 (Ages 17 - 18) A2 exams. Normally drop 1 of the AS subjects and carry on with the other 3 (Full A-Level)
A-Level results determine which university you go to, as to what they are asking. (May be asking for an ABB or BCC or whatever)
   
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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 10th 2009, 08:31 PM

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Well we go to Primary school from ages 5(ish) to 10/11. In our last year there we take an exam called SATs in Maths, English and Science (although people are trying to get rid of them now)
Then we go to secondary school from ages 11-15/16. In year 9(13/14 years old) we used to have SATs again in English Maths and Science but they've gone now. Now in Year 9 we start GCSEs and take final exams in year 11 but do coursework and some module tests throughout the 3 years (although my year was the last year to have year 9 SATs so we only got 2 years on GCSE).
After year 11 you have to stay on at school now until 18 and take exams called A Levels. You generally only take 4/5 A Levels and if you're doing 5 you have to drop at least one in the second year, you can drop one if you're taking 4 aswell. The first year of A Level is called AS and the second A2. Generally if you want to do a subject at A Level you have to have at least a C in that subject if you did it at GCSE but it varies with each school.
Then you're A Levels determine whether you get into university or not. I don't know much about Universities yet so someone else can add what they know. I think I've remembered everything but if I haven't then I'm sure someone else will say it.
Oh yeah, sorry I forgot about the recent changes to the system lol. Ok, my reply may be a bit outdated.
   
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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 10th 2009, 09:17 PM

It isn't compulsary to stay on yet...like after GCSE's



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September 10th 2009, 09:18 PM

As I've learned in high school, you don't have to pay for books. In college.... THEY MAKE YOU PAY FOR ALMOST EVERYTHING. Made me appreciate public schooling.

Preschool
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1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th

Middle school
7th
8th

High School
Freshman
Sophomore
Junior
Senior

We pretty much take tests every year besides very young age groups and certain years in high school. Then you have to pass a test to make it out of high school with your diploma.

College-If you qualify/want to go/whatever.


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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 10th 2009, 09:32 PM

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reception [age 4]

--infants--

first form
second form
third form
fourth form
fifth form
upper form

--seniors-- [high school]

1st year [age 11]
2nd year
3rd year
4th year
5th year --GCSE's-- [age 16]
6.1 --AS levels-- <<<< where i am now
6.2 --A levels-- [age 18]

--university--

i lived abroad on/off until i was about 12 so i didn't stay with the UK system all the way through.. but yeahh that's how it's worked for me.


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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 10th 2009, 09:32 PM

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As I've learned in high school, you don't have to pay for books. In college.... THEY MAKE YOU PAY FOR ALMOST EVERYTHING. Made me appreciate public schooling.
We have to pay for all our books in high school.
They cost over 200 for me this year, and 200 for my sister.
I'm in public schooling.
   
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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 11th 2009, 12:41 AM

We have to pay for our books as well, but you can get them cheaper or even for free if you know someone who took the class before you.

And even in the American school system, well, obviously for the most part grades & such are the same, but requirements are sometimes different depending on cities and school districts and states. In MA (and one other state), you have to take gym classes from K-12, unless you have a doctor's note or something like that, or if you're in a private school.


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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 13th 2009, 05:07 AM

In Mexico it's something like this

Nursery
Age 2 Maternal

Preprimaria (Pre school)
Age 3 1o de kinder
Age 4 2o de kinder
Age 5 prepri

Primary Education (Elemenatry school)
Age 6 1o de primaria
Age 7 2o de primaria
Age 8 3o de primaria
Age 9 4o de primaria
Age 10 5o de primaria
Age 11 6o de primaria

Secundaria (Middle School)
Age 12 1o de secundaria
Age 13 2o de secundaria
Age 14 3o de secundaria

Preparatoria / Bachillerato (High school)
Age 15 4o semestre
Age 16 5o semestre
Age 17 6o semestre

Licenciatura (Bachelor's degree)
Age 18
Age 19
Age 20
Age 21

Maestría (Master's degree)
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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 14th 2009, 06:07 AM

Japan
The school year usually starts in April. Usually with in the first week. School start on Monday and ends on Friday or Saturday, the school decides on this. Graduation is in March of the next year. There are three semesters with a spring and winter break, then you get your one month summer break, but for high schoolers that usually means cram school and part time jobs. :<


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Ages 2-5 (kindergarten is not mandatory)


Elementary "shogakkou" 1st to 6th grade(you wear your first uniform~!)
Age 6-7 1st year
Age 7-8 2nd year
Age 8-9 3rd year
Age 9-10 4th year
Age 10-11 5th year
Age 11-12 6th year


Lower Secondary "chugakkou" 7th to 9th grade
Age 12-13 1st year
Age 13-14 2nd year (during the 2nd year you attend "juku" or cram school to prepare for the high school exam)
Age 14-15 3rd year (juku continued)


Upper Secondary "koutougakkou" 10th to 12th grade
To enter high school you must take an entrance exam, if you fail this exam you can re-do it in one week, if you fail it again you must either attend another high school or a night school (night school takes four years instead of three though).
Age 15-16 1st year
Age 16-17 2nd year
Age 17-18 3rd year


Instead of high school you can attend a trade or vocational school for about four years which is usually similar to regular high school but you'll be able to train more in your choosen career field. Then you can move on to college for two years or more years (not many people go to college though; trade school is usually enough).

*I actually attended high school in America (11th & 12th grade), but had to do summer school to "catch up" because school there starts in September. Technically Japanese HS is ahead of American HS but I had to "catch up" anyway. >[ (start of the year wise not academically...but the science and math department was lacking...it's like the teacher gives you a sticker just for trying.)


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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 15th 2009, 03:28 AM

This is what the normal Canadian (or parts of Canada) education system is, however, I didn't follow it exactly as it is written here when I was in school.

For Canada:

Junior Kindergarten ==> 4-5 years
Senior Kindergarten ==> 5-6 years

Elementary School

Grade 1 ==> 6-7 years
Grade 2 ==> 7-8 years
Grade 3 ==> 8-9 years
Grade 4 ==> 9-10 years
Grade 5 ==> 10-11 years
Grade 6 ==> 11-12 years
Grade 7 ==> 12-13 years
Grade 8 ==> 13-14 years

High School

Grade 9 ==> 14-15 years
Grade 10 ==> 15-16 years
Grade 11 ==> 16-17 years
Grade 12 ==> 17-18 years

There used to be a Grade 13 or OAC, which would be 18-19 years-old students, however, that has been abolished for several years.

University (assuming you don't take any time off and go straight into it)

1st year ==> 19-20 years
2nd year ==> 21-22 years
3rd year ==> 22-23 years
4th year ==> 23-24 years

Master's degrees and doctorate degrees tend to vary in the amount of years it takes to complete but usually it's at least 2 years.
   
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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 15th 2009, 08:25 AM

In Canada, is JK/SK only done in Ontario? I did it in Ontario, but from people I've talked to in Manitoba, BC and Alberta, they don't seem to have it? Also, are there not really middle schools in all of Canada, or just Ontario (or maybe just my city lol?)


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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 15th 2009, 10:19 AM

We have different boards here like the SSC board, IGCSE, CBSE etc.
For SSC Board
Nursery~
At age 2-3 is for the basics.

Kindergarten/Preprimary~
Age 4 - Junior KG
Age 5 - Senior KG

Primary~
Grades/Standards 1 - 4

Lower Secondary~
Grades/Standards 5 - 8

Higher Secondary~
Grades/Standards 9 & 10

We graduate from school after grade 10 SSC board exams.

After that we have Junior College for two years where you can study Science, Arts or Commerce. You have to give HSC boards to enter degree college and if you wish to go for Medical or Engineering you have to give their respecting MHT-CET exams.

Or,

Do a diploma in any kind of engineering for three years.

After that we have Degree college where courses can last for 3 - 4 years. And after that if you still wish to pursue education we have University.
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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 16th 2009, 10:57 AM

can I add to the UK one that you don't HAVE to do A levels. You can leave school at 16, or you can take different qualifications, like redo your GCSEs, or do a Btec (vocational qualification), but thats where it gets complicated lol!




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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 21st 2009, 02:51 AM

New Zealand

Primary School
Year 1- age 5-6
year 2- age 6-7
year 3- age 7-8
year 4- age 8-9
year 5- age 9-10
year 6- age 10-11

Intermediate school
year 7- age 11-12
year 8- age 12-13

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Year 9- age 13-14
year 10- age 14-15
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year 12- age 16-17 <NCEA leve 2 exams
year 13- age 17-18 <NCEA level 3 exams


The school year starts in Feburary, and ends in Novemeber, and consists of 4 terms. People with birthdays in Feburuary, March or April are assessed, and they get to decide to go a year above or below (I think!)


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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 21st 2009, 06:38 PM

Well Northern Ireland is different again.

Nursery
Ages 3-5 [optional]

Primary School
Primary 1 [4-5]
Primary 2 [5-6]
Primary 3 [6-7]
Primary 4 [7-8]
Primary 5 [8-9]
Primary 6 [9-10]
Primary 7 [10-11] <--- then we would take the 11+ testing us in Maths, English and Science. We would then receive a grade A, B1, B2, C1, C2 or D and depending on this would determine whether you got into a Grammar or a Secondary school. Currently this system is being revamped and so the 11+ has been scrapped but similiar entrance exams for Catholic Grammar schools have all been set and will be taken for the first time this November.

Secondary/Grammar School
First year [11-12]
Second year [12-13]
Third year [13-14]
Fourth year [14-15] <-- May take half of one or two GCSEs.
Fifth year [15-16] <--- Will do majority of their GCSEs in the June of this year.
Lower sixth form [16-17] <--- AS levels, modules in January and May/June.
Upper sixth form [17-18] <--- A2 levels, modules in January and May/June.

It's a great system and we consistently get the best GCSE and AS/A2 level results in the UK.
   
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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 21st 2009, 06:59 PM

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Primary school from ages 5-12(ish).
-Junior Infants
-Senior Infants
-First Class
-Second Class
-Third Class
-Forth Class
-Fifth Class
-Sixth Class

Secondary school from ages 12(ish)-18(ish)
-First Year
-Second Year
-Third Year
Junior Certificate Examination (See: here)
-Forth Year/Transition Year (Not compulsory in all schools. See: here)
-Firth Year
-Sixth Year
Leaving Certificate Examination (See: here)

It's a fairly tough system, and it really does demand a lot.
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Other people go on to do Post-Leaving Cert courses, which are further education courses, and mightn't get you a degree, but will further you along or give experience.


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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 22nd 2009, 05:20 PM

I follow the UK system. I really support it and though I hope to move abroad someday, I'd always make sure my children's education followed the UK system and curriculum. In the fewer subjects we cover at A Level we get a lot more detail - as evident not only from talking to people studying in America but also talking to Universities in the USA, with good grades at A Level you can go straight into 2nd or 3rd year in American Universities, as in the American system you don't get the level of detail whilst at school as you're studying more classes. I ruled out moving to America to study though, because you'd have to achieve a masters from an American Uni to have the same worth to employers as a bachelors from a British Uni. Also, I spent a couple of years in an American school in the equivalent year group and I was constantly ahead by 1 or 2 years worth teaching, and thus behind when I came back to the UK.

Obviously the US system works well, I just would pick the UK system every time.
   
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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 23rd 2009, 08:08 PM

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In Canada, is JK/SK only done in Ontario? I did it in Ontario, but from people I've talked to in Manitoba, BC and Alberta, they don't seem to have it? Also, are there not really middle schools in all of Canada, or just Ontario (or maybe just my city lol?)
I've never heard of JK/SK. We have pre-school here, but it is optional. Some kids do it and other just go straight into kindergarten. And we also have middle schools here, at least in Victoria anyway.

We used to have:
elementary (k-7)
junior high (8-10)
highschool (11-12)

A few years ago they changed the system to what it is now:
elementary (k-5)
middle school (6-8)
highschool (9-12)


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I've never heard of JK/SK. We have pre-school here, but it is optional. Some kids do it and other just go straight into kindergarten. And we also have middle schools here, at least in Victoria anyway.

We used to have:
elementary (k-7)
junior high (8-10)
highschool (11-12)

A few years ago they changed the system to what it is now:
elementary (k-5)
middle school (6-8)
highschool (9-12)
Interesting. Do you know when students start learning French in BC? I know when I was little and in Ontario, we started in grade 1, but I think now Ontario has delayed it to grade 4. Is it similar here in BC? It's a shame really. It's so much easier to learn a language when you're young. At least 3/4 of the vocab I have now I learned when I was in elementary school. It's so hard now to remember new words.


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Re: Differences In Educational Systems - September 25th 2009, 02:58 AM

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Interesting. Do you know when students start learning French in BC? I know when I was little and in Ontario, we started in grade 1, but I think now Ontario has delayed it to grade 4. Is it similar here in BC? It's a shame really. It's so much easier to learn a language when you're young. At least 3/4 of the vocab I have now I learned when I was in elementary school. It's so hard now to remember new words.
I don't think french is mandatory in elementary schools here, or at least not very seriously. I started in grade 1, but we only learned the days of the weeks and numbers. In grade 3 I got to take french only because we had a francophone teacher in the school who would teach us french while our teacher taught her class PE. After that it was just sort of random bits of french here and there that teachers taught once in awhile, some of the vocab was even the same for a few years in a row. It wasn't until grade 8 that a language was mandatory and we actually learned verbs and how to write sentences and stuff.

I agree with you that they should start right in kindergarten, and I think they should actually try to get kids fluent or at least semi-fluent rather than just teach them a song about pizza in french. I think part of the problem is the lack of teachers that know french though.


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