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High school classes? - December 25th 2009, 08:35 PM

Does anyone else find it stupid that in high school we take classes that seem a little pointless?
For instance if you know you're going to be a doctor.
Do you really need to take accounting?

Just some things do not make sense to me.
I think that after 10th grade.
If you know what you want to be.
You should just be offered classes that have to do with your future career.
I want to be a graphc designer.
I do not think I should have to take world history for four years.
Especially just so you can get stressed out over something you won't use in your future!

I was just wondering if anyone else thnks this way, or finds it stupid.

(Just a little errr my i key is really annoying at the moment. So if I missed a few i's sorry!)


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WHY MUST WE HAVE PHYSICAL EDUCATION?
I mean when we are young and have all this energy.
Sure, run around be crazy!
But in high school.
Is it really needed?
We could use that time to do something more constructive.
If you want to take that class then sure.
But personally I dreaded it.
So I think after high school or middle of middle school.
It should be an option.


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Re: High school classes? - December 25th 2009, 09:31 PM

I understand where you're coming from... I defiantly think there are some really, really pointless classes.
But you got to remember that not everyone is 100% sure of what they want to be, and those who are often just... think they know. A lot of people, I think most people actually, change their major or minor or whatever in College and by then it's too late to go back and take that stupid History class. Even if you think now "I would never, ever, ever in my life need to know about History" but later down the line... Well you never know.

A lot of people ask "When will I ever use this?" In a lot of classes, Math, History, Science, all those core classes we're required to learn. I think that a lot of the time we might not need to know it to survive or to do some of our jobs, but it certainly makes us smarter. I mean, wouldn't you feel like a dumbass if you tried to have an intelligent conversation with someone about the constitution and Freedom Of Speech because of some political problem, and not even know what other things are in the constitution other than Freedom of Speech?
Already, in my high school career I find myself using a lot of stupid stuff from the Constitution in order to fight the school system, that in 9th grade I thought "this is retarded, why would I ever need to know when the damn Declaration of Independence was signed?" In all honesty, it earned me respect talking to my principal about it, and actually knowing what I was talking about and not just pulling random information out of my ass that was not true. lol

It's little things like that. I think of it like this; sounding smart, so I can get a decent job. Wouldn't it be embarrassing if someone asked you to make a cool graphic for their website about The Declaration of Independence, and you'd have to ask when it was signed? (I keep using this as an example cause I distinctly remember thinking this all day in my US History class my freshman year, and recently had to recall a lot of information from that class when talking to the principal about Free Speech and Separation between Church and State and all that)

But mostly, aside from all my useless rambling, keep in mind that you could defiantly find something else you really enjoy when you’re at college. It may not be as different as going from graphic design to History, but whatever. XP Plus, they gotta give kids a little of everything in High School so they’re forced to look at all the options before deciding what to do. Ramble.. Ramble.. Ramble... I apologize for writing a lot. I. Can’t. Shut. Up. lol



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Re: High school classes? - December 25th 2009, 11:47 PM

Haha, it's quite alright.
The more writing the better its explained.
But that makes sense. Thanks. =)


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Re: High school classes? - December 26th 2009, 12:40 AM

Not in Mexico. In Mexico you have options to complete your High School education according to your expectations and what you want in the furture.


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Re: High school classes? - December 26th 2009, 12:43 AM

In England you get to choose your subjects too

at year 10 (grade 9) you can select between 8-14 subjects to take, though you HAVE to take science, maths, english lit and english lang, some schools make a language and humanity compulsory

but then at year 12 (grade 11) you are able to select 3-6 subjects to take, without restriction. Most people take a combination of what they need and what they enjoy, as well as subjects that will keep their options for University open. I'm doing English Literature, Maths, Chemistry and Biology because I need science to study medicine and I enjoy English. But I have friends whom are doing all sciences because they're really bad at English and hate it, and people like my sister who thanked god when they finished with maths and sciences. It means you carry on the subjects you enjoy and that you're good at (normally they go hand in hand) and your grades aren't pulled down by subjects you hate and aren't good at.

Most people don't have a problem with getting into University because they pick their subjects to be tailored to what they want to do or choose subjects that would allow them to do anything, and there are a lot of degree courses that would take you with good grades regardless of the subject.
But for things that do require you to have studied the subject, such as English or Physics or Medicine, the majority if not all Universities offer a foundation year that you take before your normal 3 year degree course to get the required foundation of knowledge.

With regards to the Declairation of Independence comment. Part of being effective at your job is not the recall of factual information (to make you sound smart? Is there any need to sound smart if you are actually smart? ) but the ability to find relevant information when you are required too. For example, I want to be a doctor. I am certain I will not remember every single piece of information that I will need for the entirity of my medical career, but that does not make me a bad doctor. I will know where to find out the relevant information. That makes me a good doctor. Something like the date the DoI was signed can be found in two seconds.

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Re: High school classes? - December 26th 2009, 12:57 AM

We don't have to take Accounting at my high school..

However, for classes like English, Math, Phys ed. Science, I understand why we have to take those, because you can run into those any day really..

But with regards to French, my school has to have French in grade 9.. I think its because I'm in Canada, and we have Quebec, but that's the only reason I can think of..



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Re: High school classes? - December 26th 2009, 01:46 AM

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In England you get to choose your subjects too

at year 10 (grade 9) you can select between 8-14 subjects to take, though you HAVE to take science, maths, english lit and english lang, some schools make a language and humanity compulsory

but then at year 12 (grade 11) you are able to select 3-6 subjects to take, without restriction. Most people take a combination of what they need and what they enjoy, as well as subjects that will keep their options for University open. I'm doing English Literature, Maths, Chemistry and Biology because I need science to study medicine and I enjoy English. But I have friends whom are doing all sciences because they're really bad at English and hate it, and people like my sister who thanked god when they finished with maths and sciences. It means you carry on the subjects you enjoy and that you're good at (normally they go hand in hand) and your grades aren't pulled down by subjects you hate and aren't good at.
At my school, and most of the high schools I've been to have been at least... similar, you have to take a certain number of classes that fall under Math, English, Science, History, Arts, and Phys Ed or something like that. Most try to have a variety of them, like Science for example. If you suck at Chemistry, you're free to take Zoology or Physics instead. The arts area has the biggest variety from simple drawing to music to photography to... anything really...


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With regards to the Declairation of Independence comment. Part of being effective at your job is not the recall of factual information (to make you sound smart? Is there any need to sound smart if you are actually smart? ) but the ability to find relevant information when you are required too. For example, I want to be a doctor. I am certain I will not remember every single piece of information that I will need for the entirity of my medical career, but that does not make me a bad doctor. I will know where to find out the relevant information. That makes me a good doctor. Something like the date the DoI was signed can be found in two seconds.
Well, I've simply found that in my case, (my case being rebeling to the school and trying to earn people's respect who wouldn't normally ever respect or listen to someone so much younger than them) it's helps to sound smart to get their attention. And it's kinda hard to sound smart, if you really have no idea what you're talking about. lol
Like, when I talked to the principal at my school... He really has a reputation of not listening to the kids at school whether it's suggestions or because they're trying to tell their side of the story after getting in trouble. So, I decided to make myself stand out to get his attention! Instead of going in and whining about whatever and whatever, I acted like an adult. I went in mature, was polite in every way (even though at times I felt like biting his head off, I swallowed my frusteration) and even participated in a little Constitution talk with him about Freedom of Speech and Religion and all that jazz. So, instead of shooing me out the door like every other kid, he at least pretended to listen and I at least made a dent in the issue I was fighting for. It didn't go how I wanted, but I'm proud and confident in how I went about it.

Rambling aside, I think the same goes for getting a job. Whether it's a job interview, talking to your boss, or whatever. You want to sound, and be as smart as possible. I mean, of course there are things you just can't memorize, but it never hurts to know some stuff that others do. Or that others don't! (just... not overboard. The people who throw random trivia answers at you, yeah thats annoying. lol)



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Re: High school classes? - December 26th 2009, 02:46 AM

I think there are some courses at the high-school level that can be pointless depending on what you're into. I think it's good though that they're offered for two reasons. First, tailoring the curriculum to what each student wants is not practical and so you're going to have to generalize a lot. Second, students may not all know what they want, and for those who do, there's nothing wrong with taking a course or two in something different. I'm very interested and currently studying for pharmacology, neurology, psychology or psychiatry as my career and there are some courses I considered useless to me or that I just disliked but what's the harm in taking them? You learn something even if it's useless to you, you may be able to get a high mark in the course and you may be able to apply what you learned to what you're interested in. For me I took courses I wasn't as interested in either for a back-up plan if my initial hopes go down the shitter, to get some easier marks and to have some diversity instead of having courses all centered at one theme.
   
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Re: High school classes? - December 26th 2009, 04:06 AM

it does seem a little stupid. in england once you're 16 you can pretty much study whatever you want.. which is good because well, we can't all be good at everything. if i had to do maths or science now i would not be happy.


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Re: High school classes? - December 26th 2009, 02:43 PM

I guess a lot more people in America don't know what they want to do by the time they're 16 than other countries
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Re: High school classes? - December 26th 2009, 03:59 PM

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In general it seems to be a different attitude towards education.

Here, we are able to stop studying certain subjects at age 14 and specialise from age 16.
Our degrees are specialised degree courses.

It's not so much knowing what you want to do, but knowing what you like and what you're good at.
Continue these subjects and that will lead you to a career. If you hate biology, you're not going to study it at university, are you? So you know that you're not going to go into a career that requires biology as a subject because you're probably not going to enjoy said career.

From what I understand even at University level ("college"), you still get a very wide and varied education.

For the record I'm all for varied knowledge and education. But this means you don't learn things in as much detail as we do at the same age. In year 12 (grade 11) I was learning things that you don't learn until first or second year of college (as I found out through helping American friends). As such, when I was looking into studying in America for University, I was told I'd need to achieve a masters degree in America to be equivalent to an undergraduate degree in England.
   
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Re: High school classes? - December 26th 2009, 06:34 PM

I kind of hate, kind of like out system when it comes to having to take a certain amount of classes for each thing like Science and Math and what not. It kind of forces kids to at least look at the other options. For me, I'm taking a college level Zoology class for my Science credits instead of something like Chemistry. Turns out, I really like Zoology and studying animals and whatnot, and had I not been forced to take a Science class of some sort, I never would have taken it no matter how much I like animals. I don't think I'll have it play into my career since I'm pretty sure I want to do something more creative, but you never know. I do have a lot of fun in that class, even though it's a tad hard.

By now, in 11th grade I'm basically done with the pointless classes. I took most of those stupid classes in 8th and 9th grade, and a few in 10th grade that I was supposed to take in 9th grade but didn't because I moved and schools did things differently...
Right now I'm rather happy with my classes actually... I mean, I hate Spanish class but we need some Forign Language credits which I guess I understand why. Just chose Spanish cause I took really really basic spanish classes from grades 1 through 6 that others didn't so I was ahead my first year of high school spanish... That and my dad and I used to go to Mexico and other Spanish speaking countries a lot...
Other than that, Creative Writing I chose, Algebra 2 has a lot of stuff I might actually use in every day life, Zoology is fun, Spanish, and Music Theory which is easy for now but whatever.



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Re: High school classes? - December 27th 2009, 08:09 AM

The point of high school is to give you a general education. College is for specialization. Yeah I know its frustrating but there is a point to it. And even if you think you know what you want to be, you may end up changing your mind.
   
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Re: High school classes? - December 27th 2009, 12:57 PM

So they don't want you to become narrow minded at such an early age? I mean, is having a broad knowledge stupid? Because according to you it is.
For example, if you did want to be a doctor, and you only did doctor related lessons then you are quite narrow minded, you won't really know anything really, yes, you'll know how to diagnose a cold, but would you know what else was going on in the world? Probably not. And how is accounting a useless lesson anyway? Isn't it money management and stuff? Of so then it seems quite sensible to be honest, too many people are in debt because they can't handle it.

And also, people change there minds, yes they may think they know what they want to do when they're 15, but they decide otherwise later on in life, or may even need a back up if they fail to do what they want.

And PE is important because not only does it give you exercise it also helps builds leader ship skills (well it should do). And is it not evidentially important with the amount of obese people there are in this world? It also helps your endurance, what's the point having qualifications for a job, but not having the endurance to do it well? (Yes, most jobs are energy consuming)

In the end, isn't it a case of teachers know best? Or would you believe what a 15 year old with no qualification said over a 40 year old that has a degree?
   
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Re: High school classes? - December 27th 2009, 11:27 PM

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So they don't want you to become narrow minded at such an early age? I mean, is having a broad knowledge stupid? Because according to you it is.
For example, if you did want to be a doctor, and you only did doctor related lessons then you are quite narrow minded, you won't really know anything really, yes, you'll know how to diagnose a cold, but would you know what else was going on in the world? Probably not. And how is accounting a useless lesson anyway? Isn't it money management and stuff? Of so then it seems quite sensible to be honest, too many people are in debt because they can't handle it.

And also, people change there minds, yes they may think they know what they want to do when they're 15, but they decide otherwise later on in life, or may even need a back up if they fail to do what they want.

And PE is important because not only does it give you exercise it also helps builds leader ship skills (well it should do). And is it not evidentially important with the amount of obese people there are in this world? It also helps your endurance, what's the point having qualifications for a job, but not having the endurance to do it well? (Yes, most jobs are energy consuming)

In the end, isn't it a case of teachers know best? Or would you believe what a 15 year old with no qualification said over a 40 year old that has a degree?
You have very good points.
But its more the fact of making school enjoyable.
I hate history.
It stresses me out and just errr.
So.
Why make me take it?
If I decide later on I do want to do something with history I can go back to school for it.
I just don't think school should waste my time with somethings I could care less about.
If my future profession changes.
Then okay I can go back to school for it.
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