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Unhappy Too Good for College, not good enough for Uni - April 27th 2010, 09:30 AM

Hello everyone, I just joined today and am in need of some advice.

In December I applied for university to do Primary Teaching, however by February I had been rejected from all of the university's because at the end of this year I won't have enough UCAS points.

So, I applied to do a Level 3 in Childcare at a local college. My interview was yesterday and when they looked at my qualifications, they said I was too good to do the Level 3 course and they would need to receive specialist permission for me to do the course and even if I did get on to do it, I would have to pay. It was my understanding however that all students under 19 got free education and I only turn 18 in August.

Anyway, they recommended that I do the Foundation Degree in Childcare. At first it sounded okay, but then came the news that it was mainly "older" people who did it so they can move up in their current job. Also, it's only 4 hours a week, which to me says that it can't be that intense or even very good.

I really don't want to do the foundation degree and that leads me to where I am now... I just don't know what to do, should I pay to do the Level 3 course or should I stop being stubborn and just do the foundation degree or should I get a job and volunteer in a school/nursery for a year and then apply for uni again?

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Re: Too Good for College, not good enough for Uni - April 27th 2010, 01:47 PM

Some of this goes over my head being american and having a different educational system.
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I think you should do what feels best or makes you happiest.
You could always come back to it and pay.
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Re: Too Good for College, not good enough for Uni - April 27th 2010, 07:14 PM

I'm assuming you're in sixth form or doing a college course at the moment? To me the best option seems to finish school/college and then get some experience which can aid you in childcare at a nursery maybe as universities love it when you have experience. you will then be more likely to get into uni next year as they will know that you arn't just going straight from college to uni; they will be able to tell that you've thought about it rather than just going with the flow of applying to uni and the experience will definately help. With the UCAS points side of things, as you said you don't think you'll have enough to get onto the course - perhaps whilst you're getting experience at a nursery or somewhere you could do a few hours a week of a course to gain the points you need?
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Re: Too Good for College, not good enough for Uni - April 27th 2010, 07:41 PM

By UCAS point do you mean like... The requirements for a university. Well, in America, we just make sure we have all the requirements and apply.


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Re: Too Good for College, not good enough for Uni - April 27th 2010, 09:02 PM

I would take a gap year, get some experience. You could work in a random job, any you could get, and do some volunteering in primary schools to get work experience. This is the main reason for people getting rejected from priary school teaching - you can't get on without work experience.

If you have not already, email your universities and ask for feedback on why you were rejected and what you can do to strength your application. Work on the areas they highlight.

Make sure you do well in your exams coming up - the better grades the stronger your chance next year.

The reason you'd have to pay for the Level 3 course is that Level 3 courses are free to those that do not already have level 3 qualifications and are under 19. You already have Level 3 qualifications in your A Levels.

Then I'd make sure you pick your Universities really well. You'll know your results, so make sure you have good enough grades to get into the ones you apply to. Research them all to see what each University like. MAKE SURE YOU APPLY FOR A BACK UP. Say you get CCC at A2 make sure you apply to some that want CCD or CDD or something. It would probably be a good idea to look at a foundation course you could apply to or something that you can have as a back up too -- I'm sure there are better and more intensive ones avalible than that was recommend to you.

Can't emphasise the importance of work experience enough though. If you decide to give it another shot this needs to be where you concentrate your efforts - getting lots and lots of work experience.

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Re: Too Good for College, not good enough for Uni - April 27th 2010, 09:05 PM

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I would take a gap year, get some experience. You could work in a random job, any you could get, and do some volunteering in primary schools to get work experience. This is the main reason for people getting rejected from priary school teaching - you can't get on without work experience.

If you have not already, email your universities and ask for feedback on why you were rejected and what you can do to strength your application. Work on the areas they highlight.

Make sure you do well in your exams coming up - the better grades the stronger your chance next year.

The reason you'd have to pay for the Level 3 course is that Level 3 courses are free to those that do not already have level 3 qualifications and are under 19. You already have Level 3 qualifications in your A Levels.

Then I'd make sure you pick your Universities really well. You'll know your results, so make sure you have good enough grades to get into the ones you apply to. Research them all to see what each University like. MAKE SURE YOU APPLY FOR A BACK UP. Say you get CCC at A2 make sure you apply to some that want CCD or CDD or something. It would probably be a good idea to look at a foundation course you could apply to or something that you can have as a back up too -- I'm sure there are better and more intensive ones avalible than that was recommend to you.

Can't emphasise the importance of work experience enough though. If you decide to give it another shot this needs to be where you concentrate your efforts - getting lots and lots of work experience.


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Ah okay... Let me explain. We go to high school, and you can either just graduate, or take classes for the A-G requirements. If you don't make them you have to either go to a 2 year community college and meet your General ed there, THEN transfer. After that it's a whole new game.

How does it work in the UK?


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Re: Too Good for College, not good enough for Uni - April 27th 2010, 09:34 PM

Are you certain you won't have enough UCAS points? I suppose you are at this stage.

Look kid, I'm going to outline it now: you shoudl be busting your balls at school because its moments like these when you won't get the course you want that you regret not working harder. You can always work harder. I didn't get medicine and have to wait another year before I can do medicine now. I wish I had worked harder.

You're also very young. You seem to have ruled out the option of repeating your A Levels - you didn't even mention it. That is the option I recommend you take (if its available).

Otherwise I suggest you pay for the course. You'd be paying university fees if you were going there, so why not pay for the Level 3 course.

Have you checked all available universities for primary teaching and made sure you won't have the points?
   
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Re: Too Good for College, not good enough for Uni - April 27th 2010, 09:38 PM

I don't understand why you have to pay for your level 3, because i've done A levels and I got on a level three course without paying.





   
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Re: Too Good for College, not good enough for Uni - April 28th 2010, 02:55 AM

Maybe you could go to the university that you want to attend, and ask if theres anything that you can do to improve your chances of attending that university?



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Re: Too Good for College, not good enough for Uni - April 29th 2010, 09:14 AM

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I would take a gap year, get some experience. You could work in a random job, any you could get, and do some volunteering in primary schools to get work experience. This is the main reason for people getting rejected from priary school teaching - you can't get on without work experience.

If you have not already, email your universities and ask for feedback on why you were rejected and what you can do to strength your application. Work on the areas they highlight.

Make sure you do well in your exams coming up - the better grades the stronger your chance next year.

The reason you'd have to pay for the Level 3 course is that Level 3 courses are free to those that do not already have level 3 qualifications and are under 19. You already have Level 3 qualifications in your A Levels.

Then I'd make sure you pick your Universities really well. You'll know your results, so make sure you have good enough grades to get into the ones you apply to. Research them all to see what each University like. MAKE SURE YOU APPLY FOR A BACK UP. Say you get CCC at A2 make sure you apply to some that want CCD or CDD or something. It would probably be a good idea to look at a foundation course you could apply to or something that you can have as a back up too -- I'm sure there are better and more intensive ones avalible than that was recommend to you.

Can't emphasise the importance of work experience enough though. If you decide to give it another shot this needs to be where you concentrate your efforts - getting lots and lots of work experience.
Thank you so much for your advice, and to everyone else as well.
I think that this is what I'll do.

I've looked into several other degree's and found that the minimum I will need to get onto one is 280 points. To get that I'll need to get two B's and one C this year, which I think is possible.
The other thing that they all ask for is work experience, which I am severely lacking in because my college day is 9-4, 5 days a week meaning I have no chance to work in a school.

Having a gap year will mean I can get this experience and earn some money before I actually go to university. So yeah, now I've just got to find a suitable job and hope a local school/nursery will take me on as a volunteer.

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Re: Too Good for College, not good enough for Uni - April 29th 2010, 06:28 PM

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Ah okay... Let me explain. We go to high school, and you can either just graduate, or take classes for the A-G requirements. If you don't make them you have to either go to a 2 year community college and meet your General ed there, THEN transfer. After that it's a whole new game.

How does it work in the UK?
Over here, once you have taken your GCSE's (age 16) you either stay at school/go into sixthform or go to college to do A Levels (usually 3 or 4 subjects), college to get another qualification in a college course, get a job with just GCSE's as qualifications or do an apprentiship (sp?) , etc.

I only really know how the UCAS point system works for A Levels, so i'll only explain that. When you apply for university in your second year of sixthform the entry requirements for each uni will usually say something like: 300 UCAS points
and each grade is a certain amount of points or some subjects like music (if you say have a grade 8 in the violin you might be able to get points from this)
the points system works like this:
an A grade at A Level = 120 UCAS points
B = 100
C = 80
D = 60
E = 40
and if you get below an E you don't get any points.

For example my university wants me to achieve 280 UCAS points including atleast BB at A Level. So i have to get BBC to meet the requirements.

like i said, i'm not entuirely sure how this works for college courses, but hope that this is clearer for you.
   
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Re: Too Good for College, not good enough for Uni - April 29th 2010, 07:57 PM

I would recommend doing the foundation year to get on to the degree you want to do. The foundation year my not sound good but if this is what you want to do then you have to do anything you can to get there. If it is only 4 hours a week then you can still work in a nursery for the rest of the week, all of this will help your application for when you apply again.

My college will let you take another year if you have to for resits, that way you can get your grades up and get the UCAS points you need and apply again next year.

You say you got rejected because you didn't have enough UCAS points so if you take a year out to work and apply again then you still won't have enough UCAS points.

I may have read it wrong but that is just my thoughts on it.
   
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