RIP Amy Winehouse

[Snufkin]

She died at 27. Drug overdose.

Say what you like, she had some set of vocal chords on her. A great talent lost to drink and drugs.

[Hallelujah]

So it was just on the news that Amy Winehouse has been found dead at her home. I'm actually gutted. I liked her. She's had such a rough time and she had such an amazing voice, and when she was first on the scene she was so pretty and curvy and wonderful, and the media tore her apart.
It's a great loss, she deserved to have more help and support, because damn, that girl could sing.

[bitesize]

Yeah, I literally just heard two seconds ago....actually really sad. She was so young, and such a sad person.

[Rainbow Dash]

It's true BBC has confirmed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14262237

Damn :/

I loved her music and really wished she would stop taking drugs

Edit: I just merged these two threads btw.

[Cosmo]

She fucking brought it on herself. She knew she was going to kill herself, she owas offered help again and again, she she refused it every time, even making a song saying how she knew better. Well, guess what? She didn't, and now she's dead.

[Reverie.]

R.I.P. While she knew this would happen if she carried on, she had serious talent and it will be missed. So young. <3

[Rainbow Dash]

To be fair she was suffering with depression and Anorexia. I'm not saying those things are an excuse to take drugs but I can see why she fell into this trap.

[Discombobulated]

RIP, I thought she was a good singer, it is such a shame that she did that to herself. <3

[losing touch.]

I didn't think the cause of death has been confirmed yet.. but i think it's assumed that it's the drugs. So sad, she was incredibly talented and i'm a big fan of her music. Such a shame.

[Anatidaephobia]

It's such a shame. She was talented, it's such a waste as she was so young.

[Brandon]

I have no remorse for celebrities dying, and I especially have no remorse for people who choose to do drugs or drink alcohol. Regardless of why, there are alternative methods to coping with depression and anorexia. The opportunity for help was there, but the refusal to get help was your surrender and therefore you got what you wanted. I'm actually glad she's dead because if she truly wanted to stay alive, she would've put forth effort. She essentially conquered her goal in life, I think, and therefore I don't think we should feel sad for her anyways. If we judge a person's matter of importance by the set of vocal chords that someone has, then that's just sad. Sure, you probably were good at singing, but you pretty much fucked yourself up by drugs and alcohol so essentially no one should really be impressed. Good in one area doesn't always mean that you're good in another, and having good vocal chords can't beat nature. So, I'm glad she's finally dead.

[Beetbox]

To be honest, I don't care either way. I hated her music and thought she was just stupid herself so I never listened. I don't care much that she is dead.

[ToGoOmniscient]

Never knew much about her, never really listened to her, but I hope she is finally at peace.

[blumemusik♫]

RIP to her, and due respect to her family and friends at this hard time.

She was incredibly talented, but I do have to say she brought it upon herself with the drinking and drugs.

RIP <3

[RandyOrtonFan4Life]

I wasn't a big fan of the song rehab, but i do like her other songs. She has a powerful voice, and she is amazing. this really sucks to lose someone has beautiful as she is. r.i.p.

[Heartlines.]

it's sad that her life was taken by drugs, but she was offered help time and time again. You can't expect to do hard core drugs and live. I personally don't think she was that great.

[Hallelujah]

I think the part that gets me is that she used to be incredibly beautiful, healthy and normal. She arrived on the scene quite young and the media had her everywhere as being 'curvy' and larger than average/chubby etc.
So she vanished for a bit and then VOILA: One anorexic, heavily tatooed mess of a human being.

It's a bit like Britney. She would have gone wrong however she'd chosed to live. It's a shame it happened like this.

I'm pretty sure this made no sense....

[L'espoir]

Originally Posted by Brandon

Good in one area doesn't always mean that you're good in another, and having good vocal chords can't beat nature. So, I'm glad she's finally dead.

You're glad she's dead? Wow. Just because she made bad choices doesn't mean she deserved this. Whether you like a person or not it's sad when someone dies so young

[Brandon]

Originally Posted by Serendipity.

You're glad she's dead? Wow. Just because she made bad choices doesn't mean she deserved this. Whether you like a person or not it's sad when someone dies so young

I don't know much about her, nor have I ever listened to any of her music, but the only thing that I have read was that she suffered with depression and anorexia. If you have the opportunity to get better but you don't, then that implies that you're surrendering to your inevitable death and therefore you deserve to die because you've worked hard at staying miserable. If you feel that you deserve death, then death is what you deserve. If you feel that you deserve life and yet you're addicted to drugs and alcohol, then your actions are contradicting your beliefs on what you deserve. If you deserve to be skinny, you can't eat cake everyday and expect someday that your blob of fat is just going to magically disappear. Effort is important, and when you clearly refuse to seek help, you have put forth little to no effort and therefore I can only assume that Amy Winehouse just wanted to die and therefore she got what she wanted. Therefore, I can't help but be happy for her, because I feel happy that she achieved what she was working towards.

[dredear]

I agree with Brandon, in a way. I think she brought it upon herself, But I am not glad she's dead. I do see his point though. If help is offered your stupid not to take it.

[L'espoir]

Just because she did drugs doesn't mean she wanted to die; lots of people do them and I truly doubt most of them do it to die. Depression can do funny things to a person & make you want to give up. I may not be the smartest person but what you just said is ridiculous. No matter what she did; it is awful to say you're glad someone is dead.

[Hallelujah]

Originally Posted by Brandon

If you feel that you deserve death, then death is what you deserve. If you feel that you deserve life and yet you're addicted to drugs and alcohol, then your actions are contradicting your beliefs on what you deserve.

I'm not quite sure that first statement is a wise thing to be putting on these forums, but I'm to me the key word here is addicted. She was addicted, and like so many other celebrities such as Marilyn Monroe, Hendrix and Sid Vicious, she couldn't quit.

No one takes drugs with the intention of dying, but if you've ever suffered from depression then you'd know that on a bad day, the urges can be almost irresistable. For people on drugs - it just makes the process a lot easier.

Take away the drugs and alcohol. Someone has died, and that is always a tragedy.

[dredear]

Originally Posted by Brandon

If you feel that you deserve death, then death is what you deserve.

I would also like to comment on this, There is so many people with depression who think they deserve to die. And they don't. I completely disagree with this statment.

[Rainbow Dash]

See, if there was a user on TH who died due to drug abuse people wouldn't be saying they deserved it. Amy is no different. She was a celebrity but she was also a person who had feelings. I just hope her friends and family won't be reading any of the bad comments people are saying about her -_____- they're going through enough as it is. She didn't deserve to die.

[Tynan]

Originally Posted by Eremophobia

I'm not quite sure that first statement is a wise thing to be putting on these forums, but I'm to me the key word here is addicted. She was addicted, and like so many other celebrities such as Marilyn Monroe, Hendrix and Sid Vicious, she couldn't quit.

I could also name off some celebrities that were addicted to drugs and drinking. AND they got help for it and now are clean. Why should she be any different?

I am in no way saying that she deserved death, But we shouldn't feel to sorry that she is dead. By what i read here she was given quite a few changes of getting better and help and never took it. I just think shes dead and shouldn't worry or feel to much sorrow for it.

[Awakening]

That's so sad. She was so young.

I wasn't a huge fan of her music though. Although I did enjoy that rehab song. Tried to make me go to rehab I said no no no.

[Cosmo]

Originally Posted by Awakening

That's so sad. She was so young.

I wasn't a huge fan of her music though. Although I did enjoy that rehab song. Tried to make me go to rehab I said no no no.

The irony. Oh the sweet sweet irony of that song.

[Hallelujah]

It irks me that the death of another human being isn't something to be sad about anymore.

And if I'm right, she went into rehab, recovered and left, and the media slated her and we ended up in the same place :/ I remember seeing pictures of her smiling and looking wonderfully healthy.

She didn't refuse help. It simply didn't work for her. Of everyone on the planet, I would have thought TH users would be a bit more compassionate towards someone who had mental issues, was torn apart by the media, and was treated horrifically by the man she loved. Amy Winehouse was human, and she made mistakes, same as the rest of us.

I personally feel incredibly sad that she has died, because I remember when she first started out and was simply amazing.

[dredear]

Originally Posted by Eremophobia

It irks me that the death of another human being isn't something to be sad about anymore.

We hear so much bad news everyday, society is becoming more and more descensitized towards bad news. Its sad, but true.

[Tynan]

Originally Posted by Eremophobia

It irks me that the death of another human being isn't something to be sad about anymore.

So does that mean you were not sad about Bin laden or Sadam being killed?

[Brandon]

A lot of disagreements with me. That's good, because it gives me more to type. I find discussions like these interesting, so let's do this thing.

Originally Posted by Serendipity.

Just because she did drugs doesn't mean she wanted to die; lots of people do them and I truly doubt most of them do it to die. Depression can do funny things to a person & make you want to give up. I may not be the smartest person but what you just said is ridiculous. No matter what she did; it is awful to say you're glad someone is dead.

You're adding words to my argument. I never said that people who do drugs do it because they want to die. People do drugs for a variety of reasons, and I can't argue with that because I never said that they do want to die. However, when you're offered help and yet you refuse, then that's an entirely different situation because if someone truly wanted help, they wouldn't pass up an opportunity like that. If you refuse help and continue living the same lifestyle, then there's really no indication that you want to change.

Like all of us, we've all witnessed a certain level of depression throughout our young lives, so I know what depression is capable of doing to an individual. When you mention that depression makes you want to give up, I mentioned that she was offered help, refused, and so she essentially "surrendered" to the inevitability of death. If that's the case, and she was offered help, then she quit at life; "winners never quit and quitters never win." I have no remorse for people like that because you had a chance, you missed your chance, and therefore you didn't really try. Why should I have remorse for people who willingly give up? Why should I have remorse for people I don't care about, such as celebrities who make no difference in my life?

Originally Posted by Eremophobia

I'm not quite sure that first statement is a wise thing to be putting on these forums, but I'm to me the key word here is addicted. She was addicted, and like so many other celebrities such as Marilyn Monroe, Hendrix and Sid Vicious, she couldn't quit.

Ever heard the expression "you are what you say you are?" If someone feels ugly, to them...they are ugly. No matter what you say, you probably won't convince them that they are beautiful because the only person who can convince themselves that they are not ugly is themselves. I'm putting an emphasis on individuality when I say that "if you feel that you deserve death, then death is what you deserve." If Amy Winehouse was offered help and refused, then what else could've been done to get her to change? The help was there, and she made the conscious decision not to do it. For whatever reason, she denied help, and therefore I have no reason NOT to suggest that she would deny anything else thrown at her; especially some kind words from an insignificant person (like you and I). If she was convinced that she couldn't get better, marking her surrender to the enivitablity of death, then she couldn't get better. You can lead a camel to water, but you can't force it to drink. You deserve what you think you deserve. You are who you say you are.

Originally Posted by dredear

I would also like to comment on this, There is so many people with depression who think they deserve to die. And they don't. I completely disagree with this statment.

This is why you don't see me in the suicide/depression forum much. :P I can feed a depressed person a whole bunch of shit, but it's ultimately their decision on how they use that information. If they're convinced that they deserve to die and there's nothing I can say or do that can convince them otherwise, then I'd be wasting my time. But again, that's why I'm not on the depression forum much.

Originally Posted by Mudkip

See, if there was a user on TH who died due to drug abuse people wouldn't be saying they deserved it. Amy is no different. She was a celebrity but she was also a person who had feelings. I just hope her friends and family won't be reading any of the bad comments people are saying about her -_____- they're going through enough as it is. She didn't deserve to die.

You can refer back to what I said in this post to Eremophobia. If you claim that I'm saying that she deserved to die, then you're not exactly interpreting my message clearly enough.

[Brandon]

Originally Posted by Eremophobia

It irks me that the death of another human being isn't something to be sad about anymore.

And if I'm right, she went into rehab, recovered and left, and the media slated her and we ended up in the same place :/ I remember seeing pictures of her smiling and looking wonderfully healthy.

She didn't refuse help. It simply didn't work for her. Of everyone on the planet, I would have thought TH users would be a bit more compassionate towards someone who had mental issues, was torn apart by the media, and was treated horrifically by the man she loved. Amy Winehouse was human, and she made mistakes, same as the rest of us.

I personally feel incredibly sad that she has died, because I remember when she first started out and was simply amazing.

I feel more sad for the people who died in Norway who were taken against their own will. If you do drugs, you bring that shit on yourself. However, if someone gets shot at a camp by someone, they had little to no control over the situation. If being more upset about 85+ deaths because of a Christian fundamentalist who had a bomb and a couple weapons rather than a popular celebrity who had a good voice but complete lack of emotional strength to recover makes me dispassionate, then so be it. I would find that kind of ironic though.

[QuantumModulus]

Originally Posted by Brandon

Ever heard the expression "you are what you say you are?"... If someone feels ugly, to them...they are ugly.You deserve what you think you deserve. You are who you say you are.

I'd like you to consider the gravity of your words. I can make a seemingly endless list of people who thought they deserved something, but did not in the slightest (most serial killers/rapists, genocidal dictators, etc.). The same goes for people who are not what they say they are. If you're going to make an argument against those who are emotionally unstable, then so be it, but don't say that everyone's putting words in your mouth when you say overgeneralized statements like this.

Originally Posted by Brandon

If being more upset about 85+ deaths because of a Christian fundamentalist who had a bomb and a couple weapons rather than a popular celebrity who had a good voice but complete lack of emotional strength to recover makes me dispassionate, then so be it. I would find that kind of ironic though.

Nobody here mentioned a word about the deaths in Norway, so don't act all high-and-mighty by trying to make everyone out to be completely insensitive. It's utterly pitiful. If you want to gauge the relative importance of these two events compared to each other, make another thread. But don't try to strengthen your argument by bringing in a completely separate event.

[Brandon]

Originally Posted by QuantumModulus

I'd like you to consider the gravity of your words. I can make a seemingly endless list of people who thought they deserved something, but did not in the slightest (most serial killers/rapists, genocidal dictators, etc.). The same goes for people who are not what they say they are. If you're going to make an argument against those who are emotionally unstable, then so be it, but don't say that everyone's putting words in your mouth when you say overgeneralized statements like this.

Again, I'm talking about individuality. I, personally, don't think Amy Winehouse deserved to die, but because I truly believe that she felt like she deserved death, then death is what she deserved. What I'm saying is that it seemed, to me, that she had a high motivation to die from her drug addiction and therefore there's nothing that anyone could of really done about it. People could argue otherwise. It has nothing to do with me. If someone believes they are ugly, that doesn't mean that I agree with them. I'm just saying that you are what you say you are, implying that you are very capable of being beautiful, and the only person who is bringing you down is yourself. Amy Winehouse deserved life because I'm not an insensitive asshole and anyone successful deserves what they've earned through hard work and determination, but because I believe she felt she deserved death, then that is what she deserves because I couldn't do anything to change her opinion. Although I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say.

Originally Posted by QuantumModulus

Nobody here mentioned a word about the deaths in Norway, so don't act all high-and-mighty by trying to make everyone out to be completely insensitive. It's utterly pitiful. If you want to gauge the relative importance of these two events compared to each other, make another thread. But don't try to strengthen your argument by bringing in a completely separate event.

I was making a point that although I'm not being compassionate to one specific individual, I was more compassionate about the people who had their lives physically stricken as for the other, it was just the opposite.

How would you take this statement if this was directed towards you?

Of everyone on the planet, I would have thought TH users would be a bit more compassionate towards someone who had mental issues, was torn apart by the media, and was treated horrifically by the man she loved.

I'm just saying that...hey, she's dead. I don't care due to her highly anticipated death. No, I'm not compassionate on everything, but that doesn't mean anything. I am perfectly able to feel compassionate when I feel compassion is earned, but that response felt kind of like a disappointment, and I'm saying that my feelings about Amy is nothing to be disappointed about. It's completely rational and justified.

[Cosmo]

Your logic is fundamentally flawed.

I truly feel that I deserve millions of £ showered on me every day and a mansion resort in California. Does that mean that I deserve it? Fuck no.

Very few people deserve death, and the ones that do deserve it do not deserve it because they think they do. (I'm talking people like Hitler, possibly Stalin)
People with severe depression often think they deserve death. Does that mean that they do? No, obviously not. It means they need help with dealing with their issues, and they need people to be supportive to them while they work on it.
Did Amy Winehouse get that? Maybe. She did actually go into rehab for heroin in 2007, and was offered it many times more. She was an alcoholic, addicted to drugs. She was also apparently anorexic. I think she had a lot more issues than that too. Do you not think all those issues in combination are pretty bad?

Yes, she brought it on herself. After all, it was her choice to drink, her choice to take drugs, her choice to do all these things that eventually killed her. But does that mean she deserved death? Not at all.

[Ancora Imparo]

People can say what they like about her and make all the jokes in the world but at the end of the day she was still a human being and deserves respect. For all the people who are quick to make jokes about her death for a cheap laugh, they should take a step back and think for a moment because none of us will ever know what was going on in her personal life and the struggles she may have faced on a daily basis. She had such incredible talent and not to mention one cracking voice. Death is always such a shame but to leave the world at the young age of 27 is just tragic. Gone far too soon. R.I.P Amy Winehouse.

[MegaMadness]

She was a good musician well sometimes she was, when she wasn't on drugs and drunk and all.

[dredear]

This is a great conversation and all, But We don't know if she wanted to die or not, Only she does and she's gone. Rest In Peace.

[Snufkin]

It's a great conversation? Here was me thinking how can there be anything but grief towards the death of someone who suffered from addiction. Bin Laden and Saddam's deaths have nothing to do with Amy Winehouse. She wasn't an international terrorist. She was an artist, and she suffered from something that countless people suffer from worldwide, and she succumbed. I hope she's at peace and I think it's insensitive and disrespectful to think otherwise.

[dredear]

By great I meant intellectual, No disrespect meant.