Non-PG13 (Strong Language): Not gonna lie..

[Maloo]

I'm seriously considering leaving TH. It's turned into this fucking candyland where no one is allowed to say what they think because they're being "rude".

Honesty and rudeness aren't the same thing. The real world isn't nice, and I'm tired of the debates forum being so damn censored. It's a fucking debate.

TH is just really getting ridiculous. I used to like it here, before we had to talk to everyone like they're 6..

[Starlight.]

I'm really sorry to hear that you're leaving.
If you ever feel like coming back, we'll welcome you.
Take care and good luck with everything.

[Skeleton]

I'm really sorry that you feel that way. If you do leave, take care and I hope you see you around here again x

[MadPoet]

I agree with you. I think TH has changed for the worse, unfortunately. But you're always welcome back if you ever change your mind.

[Briana]

Hey there,

I am sorry you feel the way you do. Of course, the debate forum is for debating but we can't let everyone say all the want. It has to be respectful of each person and if someone's post doesn't respect another, we need to edit it and take care of what is needed.

If you feel a staff member isn't doing their job or you feel disrespect from another user, make sure you use your sources; such as, Report a staff member, found here http://www.teenhelp.org/misc.php?do=form&fid=18 or Submit a Dispute, here http://www.teenhelp.org/misc.php?do=form&fid=17. We like to try and help every user feel comfortable here on TH. If you feel we can do something different, let us know.

If you feel TH is 'changing' then maybe you can let staff members know what you think is wrong and suggest what can be different or changed.

I hope this post helped, if you need anything feel free to let me know. But, I do hope you end up sticking around.

[noise94]

I agree with you, completely. It's like we're only allowed to have one side in a debate or we're told off for ''personal attacks''. Just know you're not the only one who thinks like this.

[Brandon]

The trick about being brutally honest/saying what you want to say is to make the other person interpret your message rather than state the obvious. If you say "you want to abort babies? You child murderer! MURDERER!" then it's blatantly obvious that you're calling people names. But if you develop a well thought out response to someone's thread or response, with valid evidence and you make logical sense, then you're basically saying "okay, you're fucking stupid. OBVIOUSLY the baby is such and such, and if you don't believe me then click on these links that provide the evidence about WHY you're wrong, and if you have anything else to say...then I'll keep responding till you decide that nothing you do or say is going to change anything." And don't forget to include the smiley.

If you visit other sites that have debates, unless we're talking about places like 4-chan or somewhere, then it's not going to be debates anymore but personal attacks. If we all were able to be brutally honest and say whatever we want, then we might as well fist fight over abortion and the winner gets to choose what to do.

For me, I've been successful. I have been called an "asshole" before, yet my material hasn't been edited or any of that stuff. So it's all worked for me. I just know where the line is drawn between honesty and rudeness. If your intention is to be honest, but you have a spice of rudeness, then you should be okay.

[Pandamonium]

The debates forum is tough to moderate. There is a line between honest debate and calling someone stupid/ignorant/etc.

We tend to intervene when a debate turns into a big fight and becomes more of a "you are stupid!" than a "here's why I disagree with you" situation.

If you feel you had a post edited or removed that was unjustified, let myself or another moderator know and we'll look into it. We aren't perfect, so it's entirely possible we made a mistake. We don't want you to feel like you need to leave the site because of it.

[~Phantom~]

Originally Posted by Myss

I'm seriously considering leaving TH. It's turned into this fucking candyland where no one is allowed to say what they think because they're being "rude".

Honesty and rudeness aren't the same thing. The real world isn't nice, and I'm tired of the debates forum being so damn censored. It's a fucking debate.

TH is just really getting ridiculous. I used to like it here, before we had to talk to everyone like they're 6..

I think there is truth to what you say about being real and that debates are debates. However you can be honest and rude at the same time. You can disagree with someone without having to insult them. I think life is full of rules to follow as well though and we have to live with that, we cant change that.

[Tara.]

I completely agree. But rules are rules.

Take care. <3

[Kitty.]

I'm sorry that you feel this way.
Take care of yourself though. <3

[Prozac]

I completely agree with you and it looks as though if you do decide to stay then there are many people who agree with you so you're not alone! Take care <3

[zumbaqueen2012]

Hiya, I'm sorry you feel like this

Unfortunately, especially in things like debates, there is a fine line between being honest and it seeming like making a personal attack.

The rules and terms of service are there to keep everyone safe and I'm sure that the staffies have all the members best interests at heart.

As a former staff member myself, the decision to infract someone/remove a post and so on, is not taken lightly. However, someone can make a mistake or read something wrong.

If you feel that you have been treated unfairly or a post has been removed without good reason then I would urge you to contact a member of staff.

Take care
x

[Power Cosmic]

It essentially comes down to say what you want but don't be a dick. It's not exactly complicated.
Rules are all there for a reason, since if you actually think about it, you'd see there's a lot of trouble that inherently comes with people discussing potentially sensitive subjects where the people involved have dramatically different views. As Brandon said, it'd quickly turn into an argument where it may as well be a fistfight, and seriously, is a 'discussion' where each person's mother is accused of various things rather than an actual structured debate really a good thing?

On the other hand, if you feel that something other than this principle was in play regarding whatever incident has left you so incensed, then report it to disputes, we'll look over the incident and make sure the moderator acted appropriately. This applies to any moderator on the site.

The decision to leave is your own of course.

[savealife723]

I honestly think that the rules are put there for a very good reason, and that they're keeping TeenHelp a better and more respectful enviroment. I'm sorry to hear that you do not feel the same way. The choice to leave is your own, but if you ever want to come back, you are more than welcome to.

Take care.
-Kaylaaa. ,3

[emma01]

I have to agree with you, but I also have to agree that rules are rules and also people that come on here aren't quite the same as people on forums particularly for debating as this is a help site with rather fragile people.
As annoying as it gets, I guess we just have to put up with it, but I am sorry that you feel you have to leave.

[Glitter.]

I am sorry you feel the way that you do.
I can understand the frustrations you are having.
But without the rules that are set in place, this place would be in complete chaos.
The rules, I'm sure, took a lot of careful planning and thought.

If you do decide to leave, take care of yourself, and know that we are always here for you.

[Boobies]

I completely agree with you, the stupid wrapped-in-cotton wool approach isn't going to help anybody.

[Bear]

Originally Posted by 3.14159265358979323846264

I completely agree with you, the stupid wrapped-in-cotton wool approach isn't going to help anybody.

I'm only a new guy, but I can't say my experience here has been that great so far. I mean, this is a good site, but it took me a little bit before I could put my finger on what was bugging me.

Everything is bubble-wrapped.

I just get the feeling that being nice and kind to everyone takes priority over being honest and helpful.

[Unknown10]

I'm sorry you feel that way.

If you decide to come back then that is great,
Take care.

[anony mouse.]

I feel that way on TH sometimes too. Stating your opinion can be really tough when everyone's worried about getting their feelings hurt. I guess the trick is just to figure out how to do it so that you get your point across but you don't get in shit. It's your decision, man, and if you do decide to stay then there are obviously a ton of people who feel the same way you do.

[CitizenErased]

Shame things didnt work out on here Take care

[Maloo]

Thanks, handful of people who said "rules are rules."

In case it wasn't obvious, that was sarcastic.

[MegaMadness]

I'm sorry you feel that way. Feel free to return if you ever change your mind.