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Angry Amazon.com - April 13th 2009, 04:35 AM

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This is soooooooooo messed up! I'm completely outraged!!! how do you think they justified this?????
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Re: Amazon.com - April 13th 2009, 04:46 AM

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Re: Amazon.com - April 13th 2009, 04:46 AM

I've bought a few things from Amazon, but not anymore!!!



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Re: Amazon.com - April 13th 2009, 05:13 AM

I'm glad that I don't shop there, either.


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Re: Amazon.com - April 13th 2009, 06:19 AM

Oh boy, I can't wait until the media backlash hits them. This should be fun to watch indeed.


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Re: Amazon.com - April 13th 2009, 06:52 AM

The DramaLlama has rolled into town for Amazon. I'm sure the media is going to beat and twist this one to High Hell *gets popcorn made while waiting*.
   
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Re: Amazon.com - April 13th 2009, 07:26 AM

If they remove everything someone considers 'adult' they are going to lose a lot more products than that.
   
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Re: Amazon.com - April 13th 2009, 03:07 PM

I don't understand one thing - how is a gay romance considered an "adult" book that needs to be hidden and the regular Danielle Steel shit isn't?


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Re: Amazon.com - April 13th 2009, 03:36 PM

Heh...this is idiotic.
I'm sure media pressure will make them put the rankings back up again..




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Re: Amazon.com - April 13th 2009, 03:50 PM

Guy's they are not removing the items from marketplace, what they are doing is pulling them from the best sellers listings. Why? Because there are a lot of parents that are very conservative and don't want their children looking at those books or reviews or titles.

Simple way for them to fix this is to add a filter adult content option in the profile which will hide or display them depending on your choice.

They are doing this because LGBT IS considered an adult topic, children don't know or have the mental capacity to figure out the extent, of what LGBT is. If you told a 9 year old he can marry a boy or girl, he would go crazy and want to marry his BEST GUY/GIRL FRIEND at the time without understanding what LGBT really is.
   
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Re: Amazon.com - April 13th 2009, 04:40 PM

I think everyone understands the reasoning behind what Amazon did, but it's preposterous and offensive all the same. And I highly disagree that LGBT issues should be kept away from children. There's nothing inherently traumatic or damaging about sex and sexuality, and children aren't going to be any worse off for being educated about it.

But that fallacy-ridden argument aside, this is still pretty much either a move on behalf of the conservative right wing, or a move to appease them, and shame on them either way.


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Re: Amazon.com - April 13th 2009, 11:23 PM

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Re: Amazon.com - April 13th 2009, 11:27 PM

I still won't purchase from them Ebay is my friend.


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Re: Amazon.com - April 14th 2009, 06:31 AM

I'm just curious as to how reliable this is.

Besides, even if it is true I go on amazon.ca, not amazon.com


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Re: Amazon.com - April 14th 2009, 07:42 AM

Talk about a step backwards...


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Re: Amazon.com - April 14th 2009, 12:07 PM

Meh, I don't really care. I'm still going to shop there.

It'll all get sorted out anyway and disadvantaging myself by not shopping there wont help anyone.
   
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Re: Amazon.com - April 14th 2009, 02:11 PM

If I buy online, which is rather rare, or if my family buys online, which also is rather rare, not using Amazon because of this one event seems silly. If they have what I want for a relatively cheap price, then I don't care if they discriminated against gays, blacks, latin and midgets altogether, I'm still buying from them.
   
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Re: Amazon.com - April 14th 2009, 02:13 PM

At least they sorted it out. My 1000 products long wishlist is all on amazon, so there's no way I'm not using it anymore. They made a mistake, everyone does.


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Re: Amazon.com - April 14th 2009, 03:16 PM

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They are doing this because LGBT IS considered an adult topic, children don't know or have the mental capacity to figure out the extent, of what LGBT is. If you told a 9 year old he can marry a boy or girl, he would go crazy and want to marry his BEST GUY/GIRL FRIEND at the time without understanding what LGBT really is.
Keeping children "innocent" is THE PARENTS' job. all of these things like not selling more violent video games to kids under 17 is messed up. It isn't the company's, the government's etc's job. Parents need to do this themselves. If someone can't watch their own child enough to keep them from looking at things they don't want them to look at, then they shouldn't be parents.



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Re: Amazon.com - April 14th 2009, 03:39 PM

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Guy's they are not removing the items from marketplace, what they are doing is pulling them from the best sellers listings. Why? Because there are a lot of parents that are very conservative and don't want their children looking at those books or reviews or titles.

Simple way for them to fix this is to add a filter adult content option in the profile which will hide or display them depending on your choice.

They are doing this because LGBT IS considered an adult topic, children don't know or have the mental capacity to figure out the extent, of what LGBT is. If you told a 9 year old he can marry a boy or girl, he would go crazy and want to marry his BEST GUY/GIRL FRIEND at the time without understanding what LGBT really is.
Yeah, I'm in favour of banning two men or two women from holding hands in public so children won't miraculously decide that it is more feasible to marry their best male/female friend. In fact, why don't we just get rid of homosexuality altogether? It's not as if children will realise they're different to their peers in terms of attraction if they never see it - t's not naturally occurring or anything. Where will they learn about it if LGBT literature is subject to censorship because it is "adult"? It's perfectly fine to explain to a child that two men and two women might want to be together, not explaining it, or making it seem bad, is undesirable.

What do mean by the "extent" of what LGBT is? Do you think that censoring all romance, heterosexual or homosexual, until the child is x-years-old is also sensible so the child won't decide to "marry" their peers of the opposite/same sex? Additionally, so what if a child decides to "marry" their same sex friend? It's innocent, and if it was my child I wouldn't mind at all.

Lastly, I think conservative attitudes to LGBT should be fought against and stigmatised because they're unhealthy and bad for children. People who would get upset about their child misunderstanding LGBT and pretending to marry their same sex friends are complete morons.

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Telling a child about LGBT people isn't making them lose innocence, though. It's normal and desirable to be tolerant of LGBT people, to not be can cause social exclusion in many circles of young people.
   
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Re: Amazon.com - April 14th 2009, 04:14 PM

As far as I am aware this has not happened outside the US and certainly not in the more liberal UK.

It seems it's because Americans are more conservative than a lot of countries and you need to blame them, not amazon. Like any company amazon is reacting to public will
   
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Re: Amazon.com - April 14th 2009, 04:20 PM

just to back up hyper sonic, this is amazon.com not amazon.co.uk, they are really rather different....so that being said i have nothing against using amazon.co.uk but will think twice about .com
   
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Re: Amazon.com - April 14th 2009, 04:41 PM

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Re: Amazon.com - April 15th 2009, 04:54 AM

No i dont shop in that site many of my friends shop and said me not to shop over there,,,,,
   
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Re: Amazon.com - April 15th 2009, 05:15 AM

Wait, I'm not sure whats going on (my school-issued laptop blocked the article for some reason) could someone summarize for me?


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Re: Amazon.com - April 15th 2009, 05:50 AM

Oh I know! One of my bf's good friends is a lesbian and she was talking about this at lunch today. It makes me so mad that they could do this! I'd join your facebook group if I wasn't keeping my TH and facebook identities separate.


   
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Re: Amazon.com - April 15th 2009, 09:58 AM

"Amazon has released a statement of apology stating that it was an "embarrassing and ham-fisted cataloging error" that pertained to 57,310 listings. They also say that It has been misreported that the issue was limited to Gay & Lesbian themed titles. So it's over. Amazon admits they goofed, and I, for one, shall give them the benefit of the doubt and say I do not believe that there was any malicious intent. Case closed."

From the blog link. So there, it's done. Though I'm doubtful that they were entirely truthful, the big corporation has once again managed to gloss over it. I wish I had a PR department that could make it all better when I f*** up...


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Re: Amazon.com - April 15th 2009, 10:38 AM

maybe again one of the conservative parents have some trouble with that.

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Re: Amazon.com - April 16th 2009, 05:34 AM

Only in America. I might just start using the .ca and .co.uk ones instead. What confuses me is that I can get a Pro-Ana book off the best sellers list, but not a gay romance? I'd rather my kids read the gay romance in all honest.


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Re: Amazon.com - April 16th 2009, 09:41 PM

I doubt many 8 year old children are shopping on amazon using their credit and debit cards. It's not like they are advertising gay porn on runescape or bubblegum club.

They probably shouldn't have removed the listings. But the fact that they did doesn't mean they have a problem with gay porn.

I may have totally misunderstood this, but I don't think it really matters.. They haven't removed the items, and they are back now.

And refusing to shop there is really your own loss.

And for the record, I am most probably bi myself, and have no problem with homosexuals or lesbians.

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Re: Amazon.com - April 16th 2009, 09:44 PM

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Re: Amazon.com - April 16th 2009, 10:16 PM

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I bet the big shots at Amazon simply wanted people to make a big fuss about how evil and cruel they are.

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Re: Amazon.com - April 16th 2009, 11:19 PM

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Amazon has released a statement of apology stating that it was an "embarrassing and ham-fisted cataloging error" that pertained to 57,310 listings. They also say that It has been misreported that the issue was limited to Gay & Lesbian themed titles. So it's over. Amazon admits they goofed, and I, for one, shall give them the benefit of the doubt and say I do not believe that there was any malicious intent. Case closed.
That's at the bottom of that post. =) Which, while I'm not sure what to believe, it's good it's been sorted out.

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Re: Amazon.com - April 17th 2009, 12:18 AM

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I don't see how it could possibly work like that despite being one of the more cynical people here. Despite the famous saying, not all publicity is good publicity. This has caused people to boycott Amazon. They haven't made any gains out of it: they're already a globally recognised brand, so they don't need the publicity to spread the word about their business.

No, I suspect that they decided to pander to the Christian pressure groups and then reversed the decision when they found that it did more harm than good.
   
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Re: Amazon.com - April 17th 2009, 09:12 PM

I read on Fark a little while ago that some assbag got him and a bunch of buddies to go around and 1-star or thumbs down all the GLBT books.


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