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Obama publishes 'torture' memos - April 17th 2009, 02:57 AM

OR Obama finds something else to make him look good compared to Bush.
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The US has published four secret memos detailing legal justification for the Bush-era CIA interrogation programme.

Critics of the programme say the methods used amounted to torture.

President Barack Obama has also issued a statement guaranteeing that no CIA employees will be prosecuted for their role in the interrogation programme.
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What I think is in the first line, this is a political tool to shame the Republicans, it's being published now while Obama is still above the cynics
   
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Re: Obama publishes 'torture' memos - April 17th 2009, 03:04 AM

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OR Obama finds something else to make him look good compared to Bush.


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What I think is in the first line, this is a political tool to shame the Republicans, it's being published now while Obama is still above the cynics
And the fact that it's BBC. You can't trust BBC when it comes to American politics.




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Re: Obama publishes 'torture' memos - April 17th 2009, 11:40 AM

To be fair, what the Bush administration allowed was torture. And the CIA employees were simply following orders. But I do agree that Obama is using this to his advantage, which is just typical politics.


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Re: Obama publishes 'torture' memos - April 17th 2009, 04:26 PM

But what is it if torturing a known terrorist who lives to harm other human being will save the life of an innocent bystander in the area of the next plotted attack? I care more for the innocent than the well-being of ruthless murderers.


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Re: Obama publishes 'torture' memos - April 17th 2009, 05:43 PM

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But what is it if torturing a known terrorist who lives to harm other human being will save the life of an innocent bystander in the area of the next plotted attack? I care more for the innocent than the well-being of ruthless murderers.
There is no proof that torturing them works.


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Re: Obama publishes 'torture' memos - April 17th 2009, 05:56 PM

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But what is it if torturing a known terrorist who lives to harm other human being will save the life of an innocent bystander in the area of the next plotted attack? I care more for the innocent than the well-being of ruthless murderers.

Innocent people are tortured. Incorrect facts are given because under torture people say what they think is wanted. It goes against humanitarian laws.


   
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Re: Obama publishes 'torture' memos - April 17th 2009, 06:02 PM

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There is no proof that torturing them works.
There's still a chance to save an innocent life and botch a terror plot.


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Re: Obama publishes 'torture' memos - April 17th 2009, 06:39 PM

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So? If eating human feces had a chance of making your penis bigger would you eat it? I highly doubt it. You'd want some pretty good evidence that it's going to actually work.

In short, a chance is not enough. If there were studies of some sort that could prove this was a successful method, and that no other more humane method could be just as successful, then I'd accept it.


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Re: Obama publishes 'torture' memos - April 18th 2009, 01:22 AM

Lol they got very little info from the people they tortured useless info infact.


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Re: Obama publishes 'torture' memos - April 18th 2009, 03:18 AM

Of course it's a tool to shame the Republicans, but it's also the right thing to do. Obama needs to draw a line under the human rights abuses of the Bush administration, and releasing the documents is an important part of that.
   
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Re: Obama publishes 'torture' memos - April 18th 2009, 03:51 AM

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So? If eating human feces had a chance of making your penis bigger would you eat it? I highly doubt it. You'd want some pretty good evidence that it's going to actually work.

In short, a chance is not enough. If there were studies of some sort that could prove this was a successful method, and that no other more humane method could be just as successful, then I'd accept it.
I think an innocent life is a little more important than your penis size. And do you know every bit of information the authorities have acquired and what they've done with it to possible calculate these studies?


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Re: Obama publishes 'torture' memos - April 18th 2009, 04:09 AM

I think it was important for us to see that. I don't even consider Bush republican because that's a disgrace to majority of republicans.

That kind of shit is what went on. That's awful. And we need to be reminded not to vote for someone like that ever again.



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Re: Obama publishes 'torture' memos - April 18th 2009, 04:19 AM

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I think it was important for us to see that. I don't even consider Bush republican because that's a disgrace to majority of republicans.
The majority of Republicans voted for him twice in primaries and twice in Presidential elections. Bush didn't just appear out of thin air; his actions were a reflection on the Republican base, who only distanced themselves from him in the run-up to the 2008 elections.
   
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Re: Obama publishes 'torture' memos - April 18th 2009, 04:21 AM

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I think an innocent life is a little more important than your penis size. And do you know every bit of information the authorities have acquired and what they've done with it to possible calculate these studies?
You missed the point. You can't just torture people because it MIGHT help. We're not talking about a smack across the butt here. The things that were done were horrible. There needs to be a good deal of evidence that torturing them is necessary. I do not know every bit of information the authorities have acquired, but I also haven't heard anywhere of proof that torturing them actually helped.


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