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I believe the Holocaust happened. 65 95.59%
I do not believe that the Holocaust happened. 0 0%
I was taught about the Holocaust in school. 57 83.82%
I was not taught about the Holocaust in school. 4 5.88%
I think the Holocaust should be taught in schools. 58 85.29%
I do not think the Holocaust should be taught in schools. 1 1.47%
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Holocaust Deniers - April 23rd 2009, 05:39 PM

This year on April 21st it was Holocaust remembrance day. I went and watched a lecture by a man who was in eleven concentration camps. He talked about how there are people today who still do not believe that the holocaust ever happened, and I was shocked by this. That there are places in this world that do not teach about the holocaust at all. What do you think about this? Where you taught about it in school? Do you think it should/or should not be taught about in school? Do you even believe that it happened?




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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 23rd 2009, 05:46 PM

It totally shocks me that some people can deny the existance of The Holocaust.
I learnt about the Holocaust through high school a lot. The topic came up at least once a year in history I believe, and we even made a visit to a concentration camp (Dachau I believe). It's so important that people know about the Holocaust so we can avoid it repeating again. It was terribly sad and horrible and I don't think it's right that anyone should be under the illusion that it wasn't that bad. I think it's good to shock people, show them pictures, give them statisitics simply because it's that shock that drives people to say "This should never happen again". Holocaust survivers that speak out are so brave, I even met one for my drama research project on the Holocaust, and they were so shaken up and we all left the room in tears after we heard what she was made to go through.

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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 23rd 2009, 05:53 PM

the holocaust was a terrible time in world history.
i definently think schools everywhere should teach their students about it.
millions of innocent people were killed in ways too inhumane for words to describe.
i think people should learn more about the horrors of the holocaust and we should all help find ways to completely rid the world of any type of genocide.
   
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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 23rd 2009, 05:58 PM

Yea your right students are not taught about the horrors of some historical Events. I was surprise no one heard about the Rape of Nanking, I did as a history project.


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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 23rd 2009, 06:02 PM

Ask Ahmadinejad why he thinks the holocaust is a "myth".

In all seriousness, it is difficult to believe that there are actually individuals out there that deny the holocaust. I think those people know the holocaust happened (c'mon, you can't really deny it either way), but are very racist and discriminatory.


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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 23rd 2009, 06:32 PM

I don't understand how anyone can deny the Holocaust, I visited Auschwitz and Birkenau and the things I saw still haunt me to this day.
I have also met a Holocaust survivor and the stories are even more horrific when you can personalise them and relate them to someone.

I was taught about it in History and Religious Education.
I think it is important that it is taught because it does help to prevent it happening again but it also has some important lessons about discrimination behind it and I think that what happened is so shocking it makes younger children realise how bad discrimination can be.
   
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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 23rd 2009, 07:19 PM

I would be quite interested to hear why some peeps think the Holocaust never happened. *Goes to Google* I was taught about it and do believe it happened, i do however, think it is possible that the figures were blown out of proportion, but aside from that, yeah, it happened.


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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 23rd 2009, 07:25 PM

Some countries don't teach the Holocaust.


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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 23rd 2009, 07:29 PM

It completely shocks me every time I hear someone say something about not believing in the Holocaust. I learned about it all throughout middle and high school and I just.. can't believe someone would not believe it.


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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 23rd 2009, 08:00 PM

I was very fortunate to have a good education, we were taught about a lot of things. I mean, out teacher showed us a movie that depicted what happend when Napalm touches the skin... so, yeah.

But, yes, we were taught what happend in the Holocaust. I think that everyone must know what happend, and be taught. I don't know how someone can deny something like that, but I feel they are just uneducated.

I'd also like to bring up how one teacher taught students about the Holocaust. The student's didn't believe it could happen again- so the teacher decided to create a "society" called the Wave inside the school to show them. Google it, it's really interesting.
   
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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 23rd 2009, 11:51 PM

We most definitely learned about the Holocaust, and really I would find it an insult if I had been in a concentration camp for someone to tell me my experiences weren't real.



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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 23rd 2009, 11:55 PM

Most deniers I have seen are mainly people with a lot of German pride. That don't like that fact Germany did. Its the same thing with Turkey with their Armenian Genocide in WWI. And its just like with Chris Columbus, most Elementary kids don't know he was really a jerk and cut peoples' hands off :O
   
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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 24th 2009, 12:26 AM

I think it was brought up in school once. Never really went into detail.
   
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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 24th 2009, 12:41 AM

In all honesty, Holocaust deniers disgust me. They're just some of the most ignorant people on the face of this planet. My grandmother came to this country when she was my age, by herself from Germany and never saw any of her family again. Every last one of her close relatives was wiped out. Tell her this didn't happened, deniers.


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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 24th 2009, 01:52 AM

I definately think the Holocaust should be taught, but so should the Ukranian Famine/Genocide. More people were killed as a result of the latter. The frustrating thing is that I've heard so much information about the Holocaust throughout my school years, and only had a paragraph worth of information about the Ukraine (and not many people even take that class, so most people don't learn about it at all). Both need to be taught properly, and for anyone to deny either of them is quite appalling.


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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 24th 2009, 04:25 AM

I did a huge genocide project last year. I've read lots of books about the Holocaust. Holocaust deniers seriously stress me out and I get SO mad at what they believe. Arg. Yeah...


   
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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 24th 2009, 05:26 AM

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Yea your right students are not taught about the horrors of some historical Events. I was surprise no one heard about the Rape of Nanking, I did as a history project.
Wow, I've never heard of that but when I googled it and learned some about it, I was shocked that it had never been mentioned in school before


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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 24th 2009, 09:48 AM

I think students definitely should learn about genocide, but I've never understoof why the Holocaust is the only one that we deem worth teaching them. Horrible atrocities were committed in Rwanda and the USSR, still are occuring in Darfur...but for some reason, the Holocaust is the only one we seem to care about. I think if we're going to teach about genocide, we should teach about more than one. In the interest of making the suffering of Holocaust victims known, we're forgetting the sufferings of millions of others.


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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 24th 2009, 10:25 AM

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In my opinion - a person can deny anything he or she wants to deny. But if they do - I want to know something. I want to know WHY. And when it comes to something as specific as the Holocaust - IF it never happened - THEN WHAT?! What do 'we' do NOW?! That's what I want to know. That's what I'd like to find out from those who hold to the belief that it never happened.

As for the Holocaust being taught in school - as far as I am concerned - the good, the bad AND the ugly of the history of our world MUST be taught. We have been warned over and over again that those who forget that past [Or worse - are unaware of it] are doomed to repeat it. Wisdom and knowledge and TRUTH are our biggest weapons against repeating the awful things of the past.

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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 24th 2009, 11:29 AM

don't attack me... but uh...
wtf is the holocaust??
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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 24th 2009, 06:11 PM

Destruction of jews homosexuals and others Hitler had a grudge against. Mainly the jews in general..


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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 24th 2009, 06:51 PM

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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 25th 2009, 03:31 AM

Wow...to have not heard of the Holocaust...I'm not attacking you, Ali. I'm just surprised you had grown up not knowing about it. Or maybe knowing it under a different name.
My grandmother lives in Montreal and she's always lived next door to a Mrs. Fischer. I grew up knowing Mrs. Fischer almost as a great aunt. One day, we were all sitting in my grandmother's apartment, having tea and cookies Mrs. Fischer had baked, when Mrs. Fischer starts telling a story. "When I was in the camps," she begins and goes on to tell us the story of how she became imprisoned and watched her mother die and held her dying younger sister in her arms. He hasn't seen her older sister since they were brought to the camp. Before that day I hadn't even known she'd lived in Nazi Germany. I thought she had immigrated to Canada when she was very young, like my grandmother had, right at the beginning of the Nazis' rise to power.
Jessica: We did learn about other genocides in my History classes. We spent more time on the Holocaust because Canada took in a lot of people fleeing Nazi Germany, plus Canada had an active presence in WWII. We probably learn more about Rwanda because of the Canadian presence there, too. But seriously, we learn more about the Holocaust in Western countries because it was the Western countries that were involved, moreso than in any African or Middle Eastern countires. It's OUR history, so naturally, we learn more about it. That said, I agree we should learn that it wasn't unique. Hitler certainly wasn't the only person with an idea to "purify" his country.


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Wow...to have not heard of the Holocaust...I'm not attacking you, Ali. I'm just surprised you had grown up not knowing about it. Or maybe knowing it under a different name.
My grandmother lives in Montreal and she's always lived next door to a Mrs. Fischer. I grew up knowing Mrs. Fischer almost as a great aunt. One day, we were all sitting in my grandmother's apartment, having tea and cookies Mrs. Fischer had baked, when Mrs. Fischer starts telling a story. "When I was in the camps," she begins and goes on to tell us the story of how she became imprisoned and watched her mother die and held her dying younger sister in her arms. He hasn't seen her older sister since they were brought to the camp. Before that day I hadn't even known she'd lived in Nazi Germany. I thought she had immigrated to Canada when she was very young, like my grandmother had, right at the beginning of the Nazis' rise to power.
Jessica: We did learn about other genocides in my History classes. We spent more time on the Holocaust because Canada took in a lot of people fleeing Nazi Germany, plus Canada had an active presence in WWII. We probably learn more about Rwanda because of the Canadian presence there, too. But seriously, we learn more about the Holocaust in Western countries because it was the Western countries that were involved, moreso than in any African or Middle Eastern countires. It's OUR history, so naturally, we learn more about it. That said, I agree we should learn that it wasn't unique. Hitler certainly wasn't the only person with an idea to "purify" his country.
We never learned about other genocides in mine. We learned about the Holocaust, and then at the end had a half hour discussion about why we don't learn about other ones. I can understand your point about us being more involved, but the allies weren't fighting to stop the Holocaust. That had nothing to do with why we got involved - Germany was becoming too aggressive and seemed to be attempting to take over all of Europe, so the Allies eventually decided they had to intercede. And by that argument, we should be learning about Stalin a lot too. We were very involved in the Cold War, and Stalin has at least a million deaths attributed to him. Yet during 2 months of learning about the cold war and the USSR during Stalin's reign, my classes never mentioned Holodomor.


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Wow...to have not heard of the Holocaust...I'm not attacking you, Ali. I'm just surprised you had grown up not knowing about it. Or maybe knowing it under a different name.
My grandmother lives in Montreal and she's always lived next door to a Mrs. Fischer. I grew up knowing Mrs. Fischer almost as a great aunt. One day, we were all sitting in my grandmother's apartment, having tea and cookies Mrs. Fischer had baked, when Mrs. Fischer starts telling a story. "When I was in the camps," she begins and goes on to tell us the story of how she became imprisoned and watched her mother die and held her dying younger sister in her arms. He hasn't seen her older sister since they were brought to the camp. Before that day I hadn't even known she'd lived in Nazi Germany. I thought she had immigrated to Canada when she was very young, like my grandmother had, right at the beginning of the Nazis' rise to power.
Jessica: We did learn about other genocides in my History classes. We spent more time on the Holocaust because Canada took in a lot of people fleeing Nazi Germany, plus Canada had an active presence in WWII. We probably learn more about Rwanda because of the Canadian presence there, too. But seriously, we learn more about the Holocaust in Western countries because it was the Western countries that were involved, moreso than in any African or Middle Eastern countires. It's OUR history, so naturally, we learn more about it. That said, I agree we should learn that it wasn't unique. Hitler certainly wasn't the only person with an idea to "purify" his country.
We actually didn't take in a lot of people fleeing from Nazi Germany.

Does the name the St.Louis ring a bell? It was a ship with like 900 jews fleeing from Germany and we sent them away!

Canadians were racist towards the jews too and definitely did not join the war to help them. We joined the war so that Hitler wouldn't take over Britain (and it's colonies).

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More like 10 million at the VERY LEAST but most sources put him at 20+ million.


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In all honesty, Holocaust deniers disgust me. They're just some of the most ignorant people on the face of this planet. My grandmother came to this country when she was my age, by herself from Germany and never saw any of her family again. Every last one of her close relatives was wiped out. Tell her this didn't happened, deniers.
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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 25th 2009, 05:55 AM

It amazes me that some people can deny that the Holocaust happens?
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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 25th 2009, 12:58 PM

Rape of nanking in my opinion was Far worse then Hitler/stalin combined. Not because of people killed but for thousands were raped.


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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 25th 2009, 03:56 PM

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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 25th 2009, 03:58 PM

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Rape of nanking in my opinion was Far worse then Hitler/stalin combined. Not because of people killed but for thousands were raped.
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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 25th 2009, 04:12 PM

I find it impossible to comprehend how some could deny the Holocaust, but I guess there's always going to be people who challenge things can really can't be challenged.

We had a Holocaust survivor visit our primary school, and I'll never forget it. He stated crying half way through his speech, it was really emotional. I think I was about twelve when he visited. To deny the pain of these people is just... insane.
   
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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 25th 2009, 04:17 PM

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Not going to make a debate about this, but I think millions slaughtered by means of gas chambers, shootings, furnaces, etc is a little worse than that.

I think it's safe to say any mass killing is especially heinous. In New York City, the dedicated detectives who investigate these vicious felonies are members of a elite squad known as the Special Victims Unit. These are their stories.


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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 26th 2009, 03:20 AM

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I think it's safe to say any mass killing is especially heinous. In New York City, the dedicated detectives who investigate these vicious felonies are members of a elite squad known as the Special Victims Unit. These are their stories.
I agree. But I'd rather thousands raped than millions dead (and every other atrocity that was done to them)


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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 26th 2009, 03:29 AM

I have no idea how someone could deny such a terrible truth
   
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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 26th 2009, 05:21 AM

I believe in the Holocaust and I have learned about it in school. It doesn't surprise me that people believe that it didn't happen. There's always going to be someone like that out there.
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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 26th 2009, 11:44 AM

I dont think it should be taught.mentioned yes taught about no, in this day and age there alot more pressing matters which effect the NOW generation of people that arent taught.
   
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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 26th 2009, 01:50 PM

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I dont think it should be taught.mentioned yes taught about no, in this day and age there alot more pressing matters which effect the NOW generation of people that arent taught.
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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 26th 2009, 02:09 PM

i've been taught about it in detail at gcse level history.

while i personally think that i believe it, there will always be doubt, as with most things in this world. and there will always be people who will question the truth of it. i do believe that is happened, but i think that a lot of it could be exaggerated to make hitler look worse than he actually was. people like to find someone to blame and then shift all of the blame onto that one person. i'm not saying that he did wasn't bad, cos obviously it was, but i do question the truth in some of what people say happened in the holocaust.

unless you were there, which no one here was, when it was happening you can't know the truth. so how can you say that everything that is meant to have happened is true? you can't, surely?

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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 26th 2009, 02:16 PM

We haven't yet been taught about the halocaust, but i think we are later this term. that anyone can deny it happened when there is so much evidence that it did is sickening. and stupid. i think that the halocaust should definately be taught in schools, as it affected so many people. We should also learn about other genocides and similar stuff - like when the people in cambodia went back to living like in the middle ages and killed all the smart people and got rid of all the technology and stuff.


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Re: Holocaust Deniers - April 27th 2009, 02:23 PM

Economic recession.... + history repeating itself = scary shit, with the BNP using this to push and push their bigoting facist agenda onto the desperate ignorant, but usually good, people of this country (UK). Really a scary concept, and one that is still very relevant.

In history, we learn about lots of things, not just because history repeats itself, but history forms the now, history holds lessons, and understandings, that can help us in the present and the future. If we are going to have history as a compulsory subject in our schools, then the two World Wars, and the nasty, horrid things about them, need to be taught. War needs to be shown as not cool, and how it truely is. The holocaust is one of those things that does this very well.

As for holocaust denier. They are basically facists and racists, generally. Often Hitler supporters. How can you live in the Western world supporting a man who cause the holocaust to occur? It's hard to make people see you as a nice person if you praise such events, so instead, they deny them. Holcaust deniers, I hardly believe will actually think the holocaust is a hoax.
   
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