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Suspended For Prom - May 9th 2009, 04:53 AM

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This kid attends a private Baptist school where they sign a contract not allowing them to dance, drink, have sex, and a few other things. Because the kid has a girlfriend, he had to get a guest permission slip to go to her prom so he asked his principal to sign it. The principal did but told him that he would be suspended if he went. He would get incompletes for the rest of his assignments and miss graduation, although he can still graduate if he passes his exams.

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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 9th 2009, 05:04 AM

Fair? It's a private school they can do whatever they want. Why on earth a parent would send their kid to that school though, I have absolutely no clue.


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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 9th 2009, 05:09 AM

that is just rediculus...while we are young we should b able 2 enjoy life n hav fun n there is nothing wrong with goin 2 a dance...he shouldnt hav 2 make that choice


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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 9th 2009, 05:10 AM

As a private school, it's their right, and furthermore, the kid signed an agreement. It's stupid, yes, but the kid also should have read the fine print more carefully.


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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 9th 2009, 05:27 AM

The kid signed the agreement. He already agreed not to go to a prom. Why should he be able to get out of that contract now? It's not a contract I would sign, personally, but he agreed to the rules, now he's got to play by them.
I have to wonder, too, if having a girlfriend is really in the spirit of the agreement, even if it is allowed by the letter...
Basically, don't sign up for anything you don't want to be a part of. Simple as that, rigth?


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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 9th 2009, 05:53 AM

There's a fine limit as to where the school should invade a person's personal life. A person's job doesn't have the right to restrict a person where to shop or what to wear outside of work so why should a school have this freedom?


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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 9th 2009, 06:01 AM

More bullshit from religion.
Let the kid take his girlfriend to the prom, for Christ's sake!




   
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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 9th 2009, 06:14 AM

Religion fails, and while it's entirely stupid for them to be doing that, they have that right. Personally, I'd go anyway.



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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 9th 2009, 06:19 AM

I don't understand why his principal had to sign it.. and not the girlfriend's and/or his parents. o_O I think that's how it worked where I went? That's so strange.

Also, he shouldn't face any consequences but it IS a private school and he DID sign the agreement, apparently? So I donno.



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Ohio Christian School Tells Student to Skip Prom - May 9th 2009, 04:39 PM

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FINDLAY, Ohio – A student at a fundamentalist Baptist school that forbids dancing, rock music, hand-holding and kissing will be suspended if he takes his girlfriend to her public high school prom, his principal said.
Despite the warning, 17-year-old Tyler Frost, who has never been to a dance before, said he plans to attend Findlay High School's prom Saturday.
Frost, a senior at Heritage Christian School in northwest Ohio, agreed to the school's rules when he signed a statement of cooperation at the beginning of the year, principal Tim England said.
The teen, who is scheduled to receive his diploma May 24, would be suspended from classes and receive an "incomplete" on remaining assignments, England said. Frost also would not be permitted to attend graduation but would get a diploma once he completes final exams. If Frost is involved with alcohol or sex at the prom, he will be expelled, England said.
Frost's stepfather Stephan Johnson said the school's rules should not apply outside the classroom.
"He deserves to wear that cap and gown," Johnson said.
Frost said he thought he had handled the situation properly. Findlay requires students from other schools attending the prom to get a signature from their principal, which Frost did.
"I expected a short lecture about making the right decisions and not doing something stupid," Frost said. "I thought I would get his signature and that would be the end."
England acknowledged signing the form but warned Frost there would be consequences if he attended the dance. England then took the issue to a school committee made up of church members, who decided to threaten Frost with suspension.
"In life, we constantly make decisions whether we are going to please self or please God. (Frost) chose one path, and the school committee chose the other," England said.
The handbook for the 84-student Christian school says rock music "is part of the counterculture which seeks to implant seeds of rebellion in young people's hearts and minds."
England said Frost's family should not be surprised by the school's position.
"For the parents to claim any injustice regarding this issue is at best forgetful and at worst disingenuous," he said. "It is our hope that the student and his parents will abide by the policies they have already agreed to."
The principal at Findlay High School, whose graduates include Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, said he respects, but does not agree with, Heritage Christian School's view of prom.
"I don't see (dancing and rock music) as immoral acts," Craig Kupferberg said.
Ugh...If my school tried to control what I did outside of school, I'd freaking sue their self-righteous asses. Especially if their reason for doing it was "God."

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Re: Ohio Christian School Tells Student to Skip Prom - May 9th 2009, 04:45 PM

That's really stupid, but it's a private school, they have a right to do it. He's been warned. It's perfectly fair.




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Re: Ohio Christian School Tells Student to Skip Prom - May 9th 2009, 04:49 PM

As ridiculous as their rules are and as much as I think it's stupid and backwards that they have this opinion of rock music etc the parents and kid did sign up for this. If they didn't want to abide by the school rules then they should have picked a different school.
   
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Re: Ohio Christian School Tells Student to Skip Prom - May 9th 2009, 04:52 PM

Yeah I often wonder why the parents signed their kid up for that school if the policy was that restrictive from the beginning.


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Re: Ohio Christian School Tells Student to Skip Prom - May 9th 2009, 05:19 PM

I'd be curious to read the actual policies that were signed. It would be somewhat surprising if they specifically mention behaviour outside of school that does not involve the school's representation (i.e. they're not wearing any sort of uniform that identifies them to that school). If policies such as this do exist, I'd strongly question the legality of it. While contracts do allow many things, there are some rights that you can't legally sign away, even if you want to.

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Re: Ohio Christian School Tells Student to Skip Prom - May 9th 2009, 06:21 PM

Well, it is a private school, they have the right to forbid these things especially if he did sign the form. BUT, I don't think they have the right to make his assignments count as "incomplete" just for him going to the dance. If he actually completes the assignments, it is wrong of the school to not count them. That is completely unfair and unjust.


   
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Re: Ohio Christian School Tells Student to Skip Prom - May 9th 2009, 06:39 PM

I agree that they have no right to change his grades on behaviour issues.

This reminds me of a primary + secondary school in Limerick which bans... holding hands? I mean imagine primary schools with no hand holding! O.o
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Re: Ohio Christian School Tells Student to Skip Prom - May 9th 2009, 06:40 PM

It’s a private Baptist school. Most Baptist don’t dance, it’s against their faith. So I can completely understand where the school is coming from. The student was warned not to do this, and if he is 17 then he is old enough to make a choice to stick to school rules or go to the prom with his girl friend. It is not as if he is five and doesn’t know better.




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Re: Ohio Christian School Tells Student to Skip Prom - May 9th 2009, 06:47 PM

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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 9th 2009, 08:44 PM

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I don't understand why his principal had to sign it.. and not the girlfriend's and/or his parents. o_O I think that's how it worked where I went? That's so strange.

Also, he shouldn't face any consequences but it IS a private school and he DID sign the agreement, apparently? So I donno.
At our school, if you bring a date from another school they must have a slip signed by their principal or employer (if they are out of school).

I think that he should not be punished. What you do outside of school (for the most part) shouldn't affect what happens inside of the school. However, if he signed the agreement then this is an iffy situation.


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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 9th 2009, 09:51 PM

I go to a baptist school, also. ((Although it is not explicitly in the name, it still is.)) I believe our school "encourages" students not to go to a prom/dance/whatever because of the things that happen after/perhaps during.
Personally, I totally disagree with that school, and my school. We don't have any dances at my school, which totally sucks. And we have an "alternative" to prom. It's just a dinner, but people still get all dressed up and such.

I really don't think that school can keep that kid from going to the prom. And keeping him from graduating with his class is wrong. The kid is probably a pretty good student, so why keep him from graduating with his class? That's stupid. How would you feel if you were kept from graduating with your class because you wanted to take your girlfriend to prom?


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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 9th 2009, 10:08 PM

This is stupid. Private schools should only be able to control what the kid does IN school, not outside unless it affects the school somehow.


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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 10th 2009, 12:23 AM

I go to a Catholic school, we also sihn a paper in the beginning of the school year saying that any bad behavior that could cause bad reputation to the school will not be tolorated and you will get suspended.
But we can go to other high schools proms and to parties etc. Its not as bad as the Baptist school.


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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 10th 2009, 01:38 AM

Quite frankly, if he signed a contract, than yes. They DO have the right. Now, whether it is right, I don't think so. But, honestly I don't really care. If he wanted to do these things then he shouldn't be going to that school. And if you say it's because of the parents forcing him to, then just remember this- it's also very likely that it's the parents who pushed this into the lime light.



   
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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 10th 2009, 05:55 AM

There's a difference between signing a contract and being bound by a contract. He can sign a contract, but if the contract is unenforceable, then he doesn't have to be legally bound by the contract. Like if a landlord puts an unenforceable condition in the lease, signing the lease won't make that condition become legal. The best example would be sometimes landlords tell clients that they waive the 24 hour notice by signing the contract. If the tenant signs it, the tenant is not bound by that clause because it's unenforceable due to the law.

So we would need to look into laws regarding that before assuming that the school's contract is legally valid. Like a school has the right to act as a parent during school hours, but this would be taking it to outside school activities.

Also, the school apparently hasn't been this crazy in the past. My roommate's brothers went there. Although Findlay High School supposedly gets students in trouble for stuff they do outside of school like drinking.


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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 10th 2009, 06:39 PM

I think it's entirely his personal matter, and the school has drawn more attention to it by doing this than just letting the kid go.



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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 10th 2009, 06:46 PM

What a stupid school. Why would anybody go there in the first place?? And how are they going to know if he drinks or has sex? Pfft, how ridiculous.


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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 11th 2009, 02:28 AM

If he signed the contract, he's bound to it, regardless of how ridiculous the terms are. He should have thought of that before agreeing to it.

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So we would need to look into laws regarding that before assuming that the school's contract is legally valid. Like a school has the right to act as a parent during school hours, but this would be taking it to outside school activities.

Also, the school apparently hasn't been this crazy in the past. My roommate's brothers went there. Although Findlay High School supposedly gets students in trouble for stuff they do outside of school like drinking.
It's still the school's contract and the school has every right to suspend him if he does not abide by it.


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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 11th 2009, 02:56 AM

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As for this I think the school is in the right and even if the contract is unenforcable it still should be, though I would assume the contract IS enforcable as the school specifically mentioned it to the press which I would assume they wouldn't do if it wasn't enforcable. But I don't really know about American contract law.

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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 11th 2009, 03:18 AM

Don't you have to be over 18 to be legally bound by contracts anyhow? I know in Canada you do.


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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 11th 2009, 03:24 AM

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I do think that the school has ridiculous beliefs and stupid values but the kid and parents knew what they were getting into when they joined that school. If they didn't wish to abide by their rules there were plenty of other schools they could have sent their kid to.
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Yeah, I cant imagine anyone even wanting to go there. I'm glad my family's not religious and this kinda thing would never happen to me


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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 11th 2009, 05:49 AM

Schools do a lot of things that aren't allowed and won't stop till someone challenges it.

Seriously, the contract is most likely not enforceable. It'll take a court battle for the school to admit their wrong, but students have rights and signing a contract doesn't take those rights away even if the contract says you are giving up those rights. Contract laws are pretty messed up in the first place.

In all honesty, the school will probably break.

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Re: Suspended fThor Prom - May 11th 2009, 02:12 PM

I second the title fixing.

Also... it's Ohio. I live an hour away from Findlay. You think that's wack, come up Toledo and give our schools a try.

In all honesty though, this is the schools rules. Even if there isn't a contract, these students are made fully aware of the rules, and if you break any school rule you are subject to punishment. I hold my ground in saying, if they didn't want this to happen, then they should have attended another school. It's just like any other rule, like in my school we were not allowed to wear tank-tops, if we did, we got in trouble. Tuh-duh! You can't just go breaking rules and then pointing the finger at someone else. Either he goes to the prom and lives up to what he does, or he shuts up and doesn't go. Boo-hoo, it's not the end of the world, it's a stinking prom.



   
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Re: Suspended For Prom - May 11th 2009, 07:57 PM

I am from Toledo and I went to a public school. They aren't that bad.

Schools do a lot of shit that they aren't supposed to. However, students don't give up all their rights like the schools like to believe. Kids need to stand up for their rights.


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Re: Suspended For Prom - May 11th 2009, 08:05 PM

haha. I'd switch schools.
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Re: Suspended For Prom - May 11th 2009, 08:29 PM

Wait a second. They forbid rock music?
Who would go to that school!? Are you sure they're baptist and not Amish?
Or like the people in the movie Footloose?

Anyway. Yeesh. That's ridiculous. The kid should simply leave the school, it sounds like Hell on earth anyways.

OH, and if I were that kid I would have a few things to say to the stupid principal... I hope he didn't just stand there and take that.





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Re: Suspended For Prom - May 11th 2009, 10:47 PM

ha it sounds like something my school would do. while i have sympathy for the guy, he can't really complain.. he was told the consequences. rules are rules, break them and you'll be punished.. simple as really.


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Re: Suspended For Prom - May 12th 2009, 03:59 AM

This is kind of irrelevant but when anyone else sees the title do they think it says "porn" rather than "prom" every time?


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Re: Suspended For Prom - May 12th 2009, 04:12 AM

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This is kind of irrelevant but when anyone else sees the title do they think it says "porn" rather than "prom" every time?
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Re: Suspended For Prom - May 12th 2009, 04:25 AM

I think its wrong. he should be aloud to go if he wants. no one should stop him. speically the school


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Re: Suspended For Prom - May 12th 2009, 01:47 PM

A school has no write to control what you do outside of the school! At my old school once you left the campus at the bell, you were someone elses problem. There's no way a principle could know if he drank or had sex at the dance. What, if he drinks or has sex in his own home on the weekend, will he be kicked out?!? WTF?!?!


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