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American Elections: Two Threads in One! - February 2nd 2016, 05:25 AM

I have not been watching much of the electoral campaigns in the United States and thankfully, I live in Australia, where the government has returned only today, from a Summer break. However, I am concerned about the commercialisation of the process. There is something barbaric about members of the same party fighting it out in public like that. I mean the same thing probably happens behind closed doors when governments and parties elect an Opposition leader, but considering competing politicians are the from the same party, it kind of defeats the very notion of a party, does it? Anyways, alongside that, I have come across a couple of other concerns, which I could have divided into two threads but alas, not so.

The first concern I have is the treatment of Donald Trump. I have a friend on Facebook who has demonstrated his support for Donald Trump. However, on closer examination of his sentiments, it appears he does not support the ideals and policies of the man, at least not explicitly, but he condemns his criticisms. I felt the same way about the treatment of the most unpopular Prime Minister in Australian history, Tony Abbott. The night after the result came in, people were drawing penises on our leader and his daughters, literally fifteen minutes after the result became inevitable. J.K. Rowling has said that Donald Trump is "way worse" than Lord Voldermort, my brother told me that German citizens have been saying that if Donald Trump becomes president, they would welcome any American refugees, I mean these are such monumentally brainless things to say and they completely undermine the electoral process as some sort of game or reality TV show.

In regards to Tony Abbott for example, people were criticising him for the most stupid things imaginable, they were hammering him for eating a raw onion on television, they were talking of coups over the reinstatement of knights and dames to our honours system and they were condemning his treasurer for smoking a cigar on the night of the Budget announcement! Smoking a fucking cigar! Last night, a show called The Project aired a Dr Seuss style report of the contention that Tony Abbott should resign from parliament because of his "toxic presence". In this world of political cartoons, John Oliver and the somewhat persistent address of political figures by nicknames and surnames, ("Ruddy" for Kevin Rudd, Abbott and Turnbull did this), do you think that the political process is being undermined and in the loss of its formality, is losing it's significance as well?

I mean can you imagine someone calling Bernie Sanders, "good Ol' Sandy!"?

Speaking of Bernie Sanders, I wanted to ask the second question. Do you think that Bernie Sanders is slightly too good to be true? Do you think he is biting off more than he can chew in his campaign? I have consistently said this. Governments do not do the same work as activists and humanitarians and the role of government is fraught with persistent requirements for negotiation and compromise. Bernie Sanders has been acting like an activist in his campaign. He is pretty much attacking every issue under the sun, prison governance, banking infrastructure, firearms, climate change, and in doing so has been wildly popular with Twitter. However, in government, Bernie Sanders needs a mandate for everything he does, he needs appropriate funding, he needs Opposition and cross-bench support and he has an immense challenge that protestors do not have. Alike, he does not have those challenges in campaigning.

To me, it seems he is unaware of those challenges and is acting like all Opposition Leaders do, but that is a thread for another day.


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Re: American Elections: Two Threads in One! - February 2nd 2016, 08:42 AM

Donald Trump said he was going to deport 11 million people and build a giant wall. Not gonna happen. At least Bernie has constructive ideas that would help society.


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Re: American Elections: Two Threads in One! - February 2nd 2016, 01:50 PM

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Speaking of Bernie Sanders, I wanted to ask the second question. Do you think that Bernie Sanders is slightly too good to be true? Do you think he is biting off more than he can chew in his campaign? I have consistently said this. Governments do not do the same work as activists and humanitarians and the role of government is fraught with persistent requirements for negotiation and compromise. Bernie Sanders has been acting like an activist in his campaign. He is pretty much attacking every issue under the sun, prison governance, banking infrastructure, firearms, climate change, and in doing so has been wildly popular with Twitter. However, in government, Bernie Sanders needs a mandate for everything he does, he needs appropriate funding, he needs Opposition and cross-bench support and he has an immense challenge that protestors do not have. Alike, he does not have those challenges in campaigning.

To me, it seems he is unaware of those challenges and is acting like all Opposition Leaders do, but that is a thread for another day.
Considering the caucus was nearly tied, no. He didn't take off more than he can chew. He has a fighting chance. And while he will need congressional cooperation to do anything he does as president, I'd like to hope that if Americans are smart enough to elect him, we'll also elect the bozos out of congress that won't cooperate with positive change happening.


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Re: American Elections: Two Threads in One! - February 10th 2016, 03:50 AM

Let's bump this up! Bernie Sanders has won New Hampshire everybody (or those who care about American politics )! He also released this amazing campaign video. FEELINGS. (yes yes, he's just playing on emotions, but still) WHO ELSE IS FEELING THAT BERN?!

Oh, and Ted Cruz won Iowa and Donald Trump won New Hampshire. Republicans can converse as they wish, I don't particularly care who I'm voting against until the nomination happens.


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Re: American Elections: Two Threads in One! - February 10th 2016, 08:10 AM

Donald Trump is a racist. I mean, it's plain and simple. I don't think he'd be able to run a country. He went bankrupt numerous times. How is he supposed to budget if he's gone bankrupt. I believe it was something like four times but don't quote me on that. So, no, I don't think the comments people are making about Donald Trump are uncalled for. If he gets elected, which could happen I suppose, I'll be extremely disappointed in the American people because it will basically imply that we are okay with a racist president who went bankrupt and will probably do even more damage to our economy.

As for Bernie Sanders, I like him. I think he could accomplish a number of the things he wants if he gets a congress that will support him. People very rarely vote in the congressional type elections because they aren't aware of how important that stuff is. I had a political science teacher give a lecture about this. I think she leaned slightly to the conservative side but she basically said that the american people needed to get out and vote and not just in the presidential elections.

I registered to vote. I never actually thought I would. I know who I want to vote for in the primaries. I'll just have to wait and see if they win that.


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Re: American Elections: Two Threads in One! - February 10th 2016, 10:56 AM

I actually don't think Donald Trump can possibly be as bad/racist/evil as he makes himself out to be. He's a billionaire, and an actor, so he has brains... and those brains say, hey, if I act like a racist jackass, I can get a solid 40% of the Republican vote, at least. And he has flip-flopped on a lot of issues over the years. I think he's just taking advantage of American stupidity. Ted Cruz, on the other hand, is a dangerous son of a bitch. From all accounts of the people who met him, he's a totally radical piece of shit. He reminds me of that sick fuck Frolo from the Hunchback of Notre Dame, with his holier than thou attitude.
I would love for Bernie to win. A lot of people say he wouldn't get anything done, but what people don't realize is that for Presidential elections, Democrats come out in droves (which is why they went 5 of 6 for the popular vote for the last 6 elections), so its definitely possible that they could even out Congress this time, and maybe take back the Senate.


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