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Question Why do we feel this way? - May 18th 2009, 04:30 AM

Okay this is just something that I've been wondering about for a while, so tell me your thoughts and opinions, please.

At school we were learning about natural selection and the people behind the theory, etc. Well, one really stood out in my mind. I dont remember who thought of it but it went like this "Every living thing has some sort of limiting factor--natural selection--to control its population and such. But humans are the exception because of, their intelligence and ability to adapt to things so easily. So, for humans, things like plague and sickness, hunger, war, natural disasters, cancer, etc, are like nature's way of controlling human population."

That got me thinking if maybe, things like depression and suicide are another "limiting factor" for people. If you think about it, the way our lives, our society is, in comparison to the rest of nature, we have a lot of time to think and when we do that, our mind can look at every little thing, find all the bad things, etc, and voila, depression.

This whole thing feels kind of confusing to me, so I'm sorry if its confusing you too. But where I'm going is, why does it seem like every seemingly little thing is enough to hurt us? Because I want to blame my parents for some of my faults. I want to say that because of what they did, how they act, is the reason why I am the way I am. But...I also feel like I should be stronger, like all these small mundane things shouldn't be enough to screw me up. Is it just that subtle limiting factor nature has put on us?

Again, sorry if that was incoherent.


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Re: Why do we feel this way? - May 18th 2009, 05:07 AM

That's an interesting theory. Perhaps ability to cope is a type of adaption that some possess and some do not, thus it is a population limiting factor.


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Re: Why do we feel this way? - May 18th 2009, 05:38 AM

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Okay this is just something that I've been wondering about for a while, so tell me your thoughts and opinions, please.

At school we were learning about natural selection and the people behind the theory, etc. Well, one really stood out in my mind. I dont remember who thought of it but it went like this "Every living thing has some sort of limiting factor--natural selection--to control its population and such. But humans are the exception because of, their intelligence and ability to adapt to things so easily. So, for humans, things like plague and sickness, hunger, war, natural disasters, cancer, etc, are like nature's way of controlling human population."

That got me thinking if maybe, things like depression and suicide are another "limiting factor" for people. If you think about it, the way our lives, our society is, in comparison to the rest of nature, we have a lot of time to think and when we do that, our mind can look at every little thing, find all the bad things, etc, and voila, depression.

This whole thing feels kind of confusing to me, so I'm sorry if its confusing you too. But where I'm going is, why does it seem like every seemingly little thing is enough to hurt us? Because I want to blame my parents for some of my faults. I want to say that because of what they did, how they act, is the reason why I am the way I am. But...I also feel like I should be stronger, like all these small mundane things shouldn't be enough to screw me up. Is it just that subtle limiting factor nature has put on us?

Again, sorry if that was incoherent.
Not really sure but there are a lot of scientists that say that religion gives us that coping mechanism. A part of our brain is actually is responsible for feelings having to do with supernatural phenomenon. And like I said before... a lot of people would commit suicide if they didn't have religion. A lot of people have no point in living their lives without religion; my mother is one of those people, heh. I ain't.
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Re: Why do we feel this way? - May 19th 2009, 04:07 AM

Religion is a coping factor, though. Have you ever heard the saying "there are no atheists in foxholes" ?


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Re: Why do we feel this way? - May 19th 2009, 04:10 AM

Yeah, I have actually. Religion IS a good coping mechanism. But for some people, like me, religion is just...its not a part of my life whatsoever.


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Re: Why do we feel this way? - May 19th 2009, 05:56 AM

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Religion is a coping factor, though. Have you ever heard the saying "there are no atheists in foxholes" ?
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Re: Why do we feel this way? - May 19th 2009, 07:28 AM

The Nazis warped the idea of 'naturial selection' into there own twisted views. Basicly picking out the weakest from the strongest.
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Re: Why do we feel this way? - May 19th 2009, 08:46 PM

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I'm so bad at understanding sayings. What does that mean?
It means that to cope with the circumstances that soldiers go through they turn to religion.


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Re: Why do we feel this way? - May 19th 2009, 10:08 PM

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Okay this is just something that I've been wondering about for a while, so tell me your thoughts and opinions, please.

At school we were learning about natural selection and the people behind the theory, etc. Well, one really stood out in my mind. I dont remember who thought of it but it went like this "Every living thing has some sort of limiting factor--natural selection--to control its population and such. But humans are the exception because of, their intelligence and ability to adapt to things so easily. So, for humans, things like plague and sickness, hunger, war, natural disasters, cancer, etc, are like nature's way of controlling human population."

That got me thinking if maybe, things like depression and suicide are another "limiting factor" for people. If you think about it, the way our lives, our society is, in comparison to the rest of nature, we have a lot of time to think and when we do that, our mind can look at every little thing, find all the bad things, etc, and voila, depression.

This whole thing feels kind of confusing to me, so I'm sorry if its confusing you too. But where I'm going is, why does it seem like every seemingly little thing is enough to hurt us? Because I want to blame my parents for some of my faults. I want to say that because of what they did, how they act, is the reason why I am the way I am. But...I also feel like I should be stronger, like all these small mundane things shouldn't be enough to screw me up. Is it just that subtle limiting factor nature has put on us?

Again, sorry if that was incoherent.
That's something I thought about a lot when I was severely depressed, and I still do sometimes. I also think other mental, emotional, and societal issues limit our population-- intolerance, ignorance, stupidity, lack of awareness...

I don't think keeping our population down is necessarily nature's doing. It's a combination of factors, IMO. Diseases and natural disasters are nature at work. War is the ignorant and intolerant gambling with the lives of others. That's not really natural selection so much as it is a matter of probability.


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Re: Why do we feel this way? - May 20th 2009, 01:13 AM

Yes and no. It could be a limiting factor - but I also don't feel like it is what we allow it to be.

Just as a disease, if we can treat it, why shouldn't we? Depression - you can overcome.



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Re: Why do we feel this way? - May 20th 2009, 02:46 AM

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I'm so bad at understanding sayings. What does that mean?
It pretty much means when things are so gruesome and terrible and hopeless, such as sitting in a foxhole as your friends die around you in a war, there is no way to cope other than to cling onto something such as religion and keep believing that a higher power can by some miracle get you out of that mess...


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