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Simple Definition of Feminism. - August 17th 2016, 12:59 PM

I have been thinking about this for some time now and have come to the conclusion that feminism is entirely ill defined, because it is not something that can be defined specifically, possibly, because feminism is a spectrum. Feminism is natural, is everyone's responsibility, everyone's duty and everyone's prerogative. If you find it somewhat abhorrent that a man stabbed his wife six times during an argument, taking her life and her unborn baby, then you are a feminist. If you find it appropriate to intervene or contact police when a girl is being followed by an ex boyfriend, then you are a feminist.

If you think that it is far too easy for boys to fall in love and make sweeping romantic statements and connections with women, and act on those with a view of entitlement and reward, then you are a feminist. If you think that Lauren Mayberry should be able to perform for her fans without worrying about being proposed to and commented on in a sexual vein, then you have no right to criticise feminism, because you are contradicting yourself.

Feminism is humanism.

This is why I get annoyed with women at times, for putting themselves in a position of being taken advantage of in that way. If Margot Robbie is being asked to take the skirt one inch higher in the new Suicide Squad movie, or change her shirt in front of fifty American soldiers during a scene, then that should promptly be responded to with a kick in the nuts and a termination of the contract, in the name of feminism and in the name of natural human ethics.

The reason I hypothesise that feminism is a part of human behaviour, is because everyone has a limit. Anthony Zervas was murdered at Sydney Airport in 2009 by an outlaw motorcycle gang, and sure that is horrible, but the reason is because he brought a firearm to a peace negotiation. Everyone has an ethical framework, and everyone determined a case where even the most ardent opposer of feminism would say "hang on a second, that is vile". In the 1920s or 1930s, I would have loved to meet the judge that sentenced a group of rapists to death, even despite criticisms and discretions, and shifted the momentum, even if he gave a thousand slaps on the wrist to offenders convicted of sexual assault or harassment.

Every human has a sense of feminism. EVERYONE is a feminist.


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Re: Simple Definition of Feminism. - August 17th 2016, 01:32 PM

I cannot thank you enough for this. The world doesn't seem to understand feminism, anyone who believes in female rights is a radical, anyone who doesn't betrays the female cause. This is a beautiful summary of what it means to be a feminist. Now if anyone doesn't understand my, or anyone else's reasons for being a feminist, I can show them this. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Re: Simple Definition of Feminism. - August 17th 2016, 11:12 PM

Most people only pick definitions and sides in a fight which suit them at the time. When some idiots act out "in the name of feminism" by saying things like "kill all men", and people criticize them, the most common response I see is "look up the definition of feminism". That's a response I see almost whenever someone criticizes feminism, in fact.

Movements, ideologies and their components are not defined simply by what mainstream dictionaries describe in one or two sentences.

But anyhow. I've seen things like "look up the definition of feminism" used as counter-arguments too many times in stupid contexts, yet in similar contexts, when someone else says "look up the definition of racism"...

... the same people often blow their fuses and start crying. There is no consistency in their behavior. No integrity. They change their rules every time it is convenient for them.

My point? I actually think you're right. All these labels (like feminism) have become obfuscated by shit politics, and redefined to the point of being meaningless because everyone has a different idea of what these things mean. To some people "feminism" is inherently fascist and anti-male, to others it means empowering women in oppressive Middle Eastern cultures, to others it even means fabricating problems which don't exist. And to some, it's just a hobby. Something "useful", or perhaps "sociable" to do.

There's barely any objectivity. Mostly "individuals" who are more concerned with the sound of their own voice on the matter, instead of actually listening to other people and finding a common ground from which to approach problems which in fact most people face at some point. This is what I think you were saying, but I'm wording it very differently.

It isn't constructive at all. It's like playground bickering, fighting and polarizing discussions. It pisses me off. It's why I hate tying my opinions/arguments to any movement or political side. When I for example speak out against some form of mistreatment of women, whatever the context, I don't do it in the name of feminism, or any movement, because immediately a bunch of noobs start saying "feminism sucks" and such things. People get abusive, defensive, I get pissed off trying to argue with idiots, and the discussion gets nowhere. I do it out of common decency, or "humanity" as you call it. That doesn't stop some people sometimes assigning labels regardless, like recently I got called a "liberal SJW fag" for making arguments opposing affirmative action, yet supporting diversity. Different topic however.

I clearly have a different angle on things than you. If those things make me a "feminist" in your eyes, I suppose that's ok, because you sound reasonable. Either everyone is a feminist, or no one is. Either everyone is racist, or no one is. Everyone goes through their own spectrum of shit at some point, or is related to someone else who does, which takes a toll on them anyway. I don't have to get raped, to get pissed off when I hear it happen to someone related to me, or someone who isn't related either.

If following whatever movements, "feminism" for example, is what some, or most people need to feel more "purposeful" or part of something bigger, it makes sense. Whatever works best. I've rarely felt the same need, even when I was 6 years old and made to sit through religious bible bashing classes in primary school.


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Then politics doesn't care about you either. Truth. You've got to make your voice heard, if you want to be listened to. But that's too logical for some people, so let me go a step further. Not making your voice heard, leaves other people free to hijack it by speaking on your behalf, even if they don't actually give a shit about you. That's politics. So, make your voice heard. That's not a quote from anywhere. That's just me.

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