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View Poll Results: Who did you vote for?
Donald Trump (R) 8 29.63%
Hillary Clinton (D) 14 51.85%
Gary Johnson (L) 1 3.70%
Jill Stein (G) 1 3.70%
Other (Please elaborate) 3 11.11%
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US Election-TODAY - November 8th 2016, 05:29 PM

Today is the day! I've been the person making most of these threads, but now, the time has come.
Americans-who did you vote for? Non-Americans, any thoughts?
I will update as results run in.

I voted for Hillary Clinton!


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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 8th 2016, 05:50 PM

I voted for Hillary.
   
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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 8th 2016, 06:45 PM

I'm not registered to vote, so, I can't vote in the election today.

But, if I was registered to vote, I just wouldn't vote at all. Hillary Clinton is a really bad choice and so is Donald Trump. I'm not really all that familiar with Jill Stein and Gary Johnson, so, I can't really have an opinion on those two people.

I don't get how people would vote for one person, even if they don't agree with their ideology, just to keep the other person from being in office (for example, people voting for Clinton just to keep Trump out of office or people voting for Trump just to keep Clinton out of office). You're choosing the lesser of two evils.

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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 8th 2016, 06:48 PM

Don't live in the US, but if I could vote, I would vote Trump

Hillary's the most corrupt person in the world, no doubt. Don't take my word for it, read the WikiLeaks (Podesta e-mails to be exact). Trump ain't perfect, but he's the closest to bashing the corruption and is better than the biased media thinks

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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 8th 2016, 06:56 PM

Just so you know, there were two other options you left out of the poll. Darrell Castle (Constitution Party) and Roque "Rocky" De La Fuente (Reform Party).

I'm not particularly thrilled with any of the candidates, though I never fully agree or like any of the people who run and chances are I'll never 100% agree with any of them. The point is to pick the person you agree with the most. Also, the lesser of two evils is still better than the more evil option. I don't really see any excuse to not vote. I have friends who chose not to vote and they know not to complain about the outcome to me.



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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 8th 2016, 07:00 PM

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I read that as "Stalin's the second best choice".

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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 8th 2016, 07:06 PM

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I don't get how people would vote for one person, even if they don't agree with their ideology, just to keep the other person from being in office (for example, people voting for Clinton just to keep Trump of out of office or people voting for Trump just to keep Clinton out of office). You're choosing the lesser of two evils.
I mean, it's better than choosing the greater of two evils.

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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 8th 2016, 07:07 PM

Not in the US, but I wouldn't have a clue how I would vote. I hate Trump with a passion, but can see how he appeals to many. I would consider voting Hilary, but then the email scandal. I would also consider voting for someone else, but it's doubtful that would make a difference anyway.

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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 8th 2016, 07:19 PM

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I mean, it's better than choosing the greater of two evils.

I'm not old enough to vote yet, but I'd be voting for Clinton if I could

Whether you're choosing the lesser or greater of two evils, Trump and Clinton are both pretty bad. They're both equally bad, so, one candidate is not any better than the other candidate.




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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 8th 2016, 10:35 PM

I voted for Trump. Hilary is a nightmare, two faced, and supports murder of babies.



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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 8th 2016, 10:38 PM

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I did not have either of those choices on my ballot.


I voted Stein. I could not physically get myself to vote for either of the two main candidates.

I also did research for local officials and such.

I'm annoyed that for some of the positions there were only one candidate running through 4 parties and the other parties had no one. So they weren't running against anyone. Literally there was the same candidate running as democrat, republican, conservative, working family and women's equality. And the reform and green and libertarian were blank. Ugh. It happened that way more than once


For the judicial thing, it said choose 9 but there were only 9 options in total so there were no choice with that.
That happened for another position that said choose 2 but only 2 candidates were there

Other positions were annoying because it was 1 candidate running 3 parties and then 1 other candidate running through 1 party and I didn't want either of them.

I guess I'm frustrated because a lot of community activists have been advising to remember about other candidates besides presendential. And I actually took some time to research and it wasn't easy because there was barely any coverage on their campaign.

And I don't blame anyone who chooses not to vote. This election was hard for all of us. And we all have our own ways to cope. I can see why not voting was what people chose. It is not because they're lazy or don't appreciate their rights. At least not necessarily the case. If you take the time to listen to what they have to say, you'll realize many of them did think it through. Not voting can be an informed decision. Just as voting for a certain candidate can be an uninformed decision.

The last thing I want to say is, voting is the most common way citizens participate in politics but it is also not entirely in our hands. I encourage everyone to be active in their daily lives, rather than once every 4 years.
   
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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 8th 2016, 11:30 PM

Trump. Hillary seems corrupt and honestly I was wishing shed just go away after she lost to Obama.

Everything Trump says gets taken way out of context. Pretty much all allegations against Trump have no factual basis-espescially the sexual assault ones. Anyone can bring an allegation . Only one candidate actually came under FBI investigation.
   
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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 12:03 AM

I voted Hilary
Because trump is a biggot, he wants to get rid of all special ed programs so i would have no DSPS at college and no extra time on test or note takers...Then I would fail. He wants to take away my SSI then I would be poor.

I actually don't care for either but Hilary is better than trump

By the way as of right now Hilary is in the lead. And at 2pm my time she was also in the lead.


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US Election 2016 - November 9th 2016, 12:48 AM

How do you guys feel about the US election? Who do you think will win? Do you care? Just wanted to have a civil conversation, please be considerate of other people's opinions.


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Re: US Election 2016 - November 9th 2016, 01:03 AM

People are saying this is a "change election", which doesn't favor Clinton. Change elections are characterized by otherwise passive citizens who can't be bothered to vote, actually going to vote, and they usually vote for change.

It's unpredictable though. There are a lot of undecided people.

There are lots of polls which apparently favor Hillary, but there have been lots of accusations that the polls are rigged. Those are called "push" polls... which means that they are polls less intended to show the truth, and more intended to shape the truth. Similar was true with the Brexit vote in the UK. All the polls were saying that UK would vote to stay in the EU, when it ultimately in fact voted to leave. If you're not familiar with that topic, I'll summarize it by saying that "vote stay in the EU = liberal", and "vote leave the EU = conservative". That should help you place it in context of where Brexit lies on the left/right spectrum.

Quite literally, I go on Fox News... and they're predicting that Trump will win. I go on ABC news, and they're predicting that Clinton will win. Illustrates my point. And if you go to InfoWars, they've been arguing that Trump is going to win by a landslide. Of course they would. lol

There are lot of other factors to consider too though, and this election is far too atypical to pass judgements/predictions based off historical trends. Far too much outrage/emotion deciding these things today. Too much sensationalism/theatricism. Too much emotion. That's what makes it unpredictable. Where decisions are made based on rational thought processes, they are much easier to predict. That is logical, whereas little of what is going on is logical.

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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 02:39 AM

I've re-calibrated my body clock just to stay up and watch this in a time zone that is about 7 hours ahead. It's 4:30 am where I am.

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Then politics doesn't care about you either. Truth. You've got to make your voice heard, if you want to be listened to. But that's too logical for some people, so let me go a step further. Not making your voice heard, leaves other people free to hijack it by speaking on your behalf, even if they don't actually give a shit about you. That's politics. So, make your voice heard. That's not a quote from anywhere. That's just me.


   
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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 04:03 AM

WE...ARE...FUCKED

and yes, voted for Hillary. Good God, this is horrifying.


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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 04:21 AM

Trump is ahead.


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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 04:50 AM

Mike Pence is gonna send a solid portion of us to "conversion therapy". CONVERSION THERAPY. Code word for concentration camp? I'm seriously deleting my tinder after Trump gets sworn in.
Good fucking job, America. And you, DNC. We had a great fucking candidate, and you pushed him out for a candidate who was under a fucking FBI investigation. Jesus Christ, Bernie would have slaughtered him.


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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 05:04 AM

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Bernie would have slaughtered him.
The problem with Bernie, was that he was an independent thinker. He was on nobody's payroll. Whether people agreed or disagreed with his ideals, I think he genuine believes in what he's doing. He has his own socialist ideas.

Hilary on the other hand, is backed by Wall Street, banks, mainstream media, George Soros, even Saudi Arabia, Quatar, etc.

Bernie might have been a greater socialist, but he had his own agenda. Sponsors/donors don't like you having you own agenda. They want you to work for them.

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The problem with Bernie, was that he was an independent thinker. He was on nobody's payroll. Whether people agreed or disagreed with his ideals, I think he genuine believes in what he's doing. He has his own socialist ideas.

Hilary on the other hand, is backed by Wall Street, banks, mainstream media, George Soros, even Saudi Arabia, Quatar, etc.

Bernie might have been a greater socialist, but he had his own agenda. Sponsors/donors don't like you having you own agenda. They want you to work for them.

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It doesn't matter if he couldn't raise money from large donors, he out raised Hillary with individual contributions averaging 27 dollars a pop. He did well where Democrats DONT do well. And he was genuine. People hated that Hillary was a robot. And people, especially the young people who don't vote, loved Bernie. And there's a solid portion of the country who loved his message of "tax the rich", even if they typically vote Republican. You saw the Cracked article, right? They want to throw a brick through the window of the establishment. Bernie would get a solid portion of them for sure because he had plans to help them.
And for what its worth, while Hillary was scandal-ridden and was only polling 7% over Trump towards the end of the primary, Bernie was polling 15% over. Like seriously, people absolutely loved Bernie, and you'd actually have to be in America to see what I mean.


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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 05:28 AM

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It isn't quite as simple as just the donations. Money isn't power. People, are power***. Money can buy people though. All the people backing Hilary, no doubt have leverage inside the government. However it is they did it, is not something I followed in detail. But Bernie losing to Hilary certainly didn't make sense from a democratic perspective. I don't know what information you have, but I've seen reports here and there, in right wing media as well, suggesting that the election was somehow rigged against Bernie. Presumably this was done with the influence of Hilary's "entourage".

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Like seriously, people absolutely loved Bernie, and you'd actually have to be in America to see what I mean.
I know that. heh

Even most people who disagreed with his ideology on the right, couldn't come up with insults much better than calling him a "communist". Some picked on him being old, and some other things. Nothing really controversial, that you could "hate" about him. Disagree with yes, but not hate, or even dislike.

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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 06:11 AM

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It isn't quite as simple as just the donations. Money isn't power. People, are power***. Money can buy people though. All the people backing Hilary, no doubt have leverage inside the government. However it is they did it, is not something I followed in detail. But Bernie losing to Hilary certainly didn't make sense from a democratic perspective. I don't know what information you have, but I've seen reports here and there, in right wing media as well, suggesting that the election was somehow rigged against Bernie. Presumably this was done with the influence of Hilary's "entourage".

***Just think of Gadhi or Martin Luther King. Neither were really "rich". But very influential, because they reached out to people. Money isn't power.

I know that. heh

Even most people who disagreed with his ideology on the right, couldn't come up with insults much better than calling him a "communist". Some picked on him being old, and some other things. Nothing really controversial, that you could "hate" about him. Disagree with yes, but not hate, or even dislike.

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ANYBODY could've beat Donald Trump. Hell, even I could have beat Trump if I was the Democratic candidate. Making Donald Trump your candidate is like pitching a slowball. The opponent CAN'T screw that up. Unfortunately, if I'm gonna continue with baseball analogies, Hillary Clinton might as well have been a blind batter.
Fuck Hillary Clinton. And fuck the DNC with their complete and utter stupidity. It wasn't just the DNC talking about how to screw Bernie over though. Some of Hillary's top donors are in Time Warner, and they own CNN. It's no coincidence that corporate news never gave Bernie news coverage, but when they did, it was a hatchet job. And now look. They cut off their nose to spite... everyone.


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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 06:45 AM

TODAY'S THE DAY WE SAID FUCK NO TO THE CORRUPTION OF KILLARY CLINTON!


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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 06:53 AM

Trump has won...We are all fucked.


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what about the corruption of trump?

Me and my friends aren't going to be safe anymore. I'm a lesbian and she is jewish plus a lot of my other friends are in the LGBTQ+ family.

I admit both canidents where bad but Tump was the worst. He is litarily saying it's alright to go around molesting people. ANd that scares me so much because I am a target for that since it's happened many times before.
Then explain the WikiLeaks for me, the Podesta e-mails. Explain to me about the Clinton pedo ring, the spirit cooking, that the CNN is in the pocket of Clinton. Explain to me why it's a good thing Clinton wants World War 3

Might get warned or banned for this, but since I read the leaks, I supported Trump cause he was the ticket out of it cause Jill Stein and Gary Johnson had no chance of winning


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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 07:04 AM

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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 07:25 AM

As a woman with a disability and mental illness I couldn't vote for Trump in good conscience. Yes, neither candidate was ideal, but Trump couldn't have been more bigoted. Character matters. Plus he has ZERO experience so he has no clue what he's doing.


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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 07:41 AM

Something else... We might not have elected Donald Trump as president. Look at this, its short: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi...vice-president
Its his son basically saying that Mike Pence will do all the policy work while Trump will basically brand everything, like he did before in life. So there you go. Your corrupt anti-establishment guy will hand the actual work of the highest office in the land to the corrupt, anti-everyone-not-straight,-white-or-male establishment guy who sucked at his previous job as governor. And you know what is terrifying, at least to me? The government already has access to all our information. All our taxes, medical bills... social networking... and oh, shit. I can pull off straight white male in real life, but not on fucking Tinder. Mike Pence wants to make a list of people he wants to send to "conversion therapy"? There's a shit-ton of info that Trump's NSA could look into on EVERYONE within a couple hours to determine which people violate "God's Law". Anyone else they don't like? They'll be able to find them immediately as well.

You think Hillary sucks? So do I, but she's ACTUALLY a politician. Choosing between Trump and Hillary is like going into an open-heart surgery and having to choose between a doctor accused of malpractice and a fucking manager from McDonald's.


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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 08:08 AM

American voted a racist person who mocks the disabled. If he does half the stuff that he's talking about doing the disabled people are going to be screwed. He wants to decrease disabled people's payments by like 20%, supposedly.

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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 08:08 AM

I am so sorry that this has happened and I fear for everyone who's concerned about what's happened. And what I think we all need to understand is that almost every politician will be corrupt no matter how major or minor it may be, that's apparently how politics works nowadays. They are going to lie and keep secrets because it's not a straight forward process but some will make progress towards things and it is something despite how it may seem.
Trump has no experience in politics, Hillary has decades of experience and would actually know how the system works. And voting in some muppet who doesn't know what he's doing and who has pretty much validated racism, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia and many other things across the country that has people FEARING FOR THEIR LIVES, that's a big fucking issue because he clearly doesn't represent the entire "United" States of America.

And you know what, if people start claiming they regret voting for Trump I am going to laugh because like those who regret voting for Brexit, they played themselves.




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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 08:13 AM

The president's power will be limited somewhat thank God, but with both Republican-run house and senate, he's going to get away with a lot too. I'd say hopefully we can flip congress in the midterm election, but that would just deadlock everything. I'd say I hope the people who did this realize what they've done before the country falls apart, but the rest of us would go with them.


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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 08:32 AM

The midterm will flip because Trump won't do anything to help anyone, AND every demographic that hates him will show up in even larger droves. Somehow, Trump performed better than Romney in 2012 with black people, Latinos, and women. WOMEN. HOW? And hell, I'll take a deadlock. 2 years of horrible policy followed by 2 shitty years of nothing getting done will demoralize Trump's voters who think he's a superhero. They won't come back to vote, and a progressive wave will beat them in the midterms before obliterating Trump during reelection.


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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 11:07 AM

I voted for Gary Johnson, I don't like either Clinton or Trump and now that Trump is president let's watch the US population plummet lol.


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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 11:38 AM

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Re: US Election-TODAY - November 9th 2016, 11:49 AM

Politicians say they are going to do all of these things, but in actuality, most of those things don't get done. Donald Trump is a businessman and may he very well try to run the country like a business, he may actually help the economy out a lot because of his experience in business (even though he has declared bankruptcy a few times, I think).


I don't know why people are hating Donald Trump so much. Granted, there are some some questionable things that he has done/said, but there is a difference hating a group of people and making one hateful comment towards certain groups of people. I'm sure a fair amount of people on this website has made at least one hateful comment to someone in their everyday life, whether directly to that person's face or behind their backs. I think the media takes a lot of things out of context and that makes people believe one thing and not the other. I think people need to do research before making accusations about someone. Just because Donald Trump made one comment about disabled people (for example, Trump and the disabled reporter incident) does not automatically make him hate disabled people. It only becomes hate if he is continually is making hateful comments towards disabled people and is also mocking them.

I know earlier in his campaign he was talking about building a wall, but as you can see later on in his campaign, that he doesn't really talk about building that wall anymore. Maybe I'm wrong, but I haven't really heard him recently talking about it.

Another thing I think people are blowing out of proportion is Trump's complete shutdown of muslims entering the United States. A lot of the stuff Trump has said about this was early on in his campaign and it seems like people are focusing on stuff he has mentioned months ago. If you look at his stances now, he has backed off on some issues.

Trump has no political experience whatsoever, but there is another U.S. president who had little to no experience in politics before being elected president. Even though Ronald Reagan was governor of california for 8 years, that's still not a lot of political experience, but it's still more then what Donald Trump has.

Even though I didn't particularly like the comments he made towards women, he has since apologized for making those comments. Whether people accept his apology or not, that's their decision.

Trump isn't afraid to speak his mind and that is probably why a lot of people voted for him. He's not afraid to say what's on his mind. A lot of the things he has said, people take out of context, while he is just simply stating the truth (for example, I think in one of his speeches he made earlier on in his campaign, he said he could be walking down the street, shoot someone, and not get into trouble at all). It's kind of true that he wouldn't really get into trouble at all. In today's day and age, we are still dealing with racism and I don't like the fact that people assume that Donald Trump is a racist because of that one comment he made. The comments he made about Hispanics or Mexicans in general or just the men being rapists, drug dealers, etc. Just because a small amount of that population is those things (and believe me I have seen drug deals and other things go on in my hometown), does not automatically make the entire population rapists, drug dealers, etc.

Just because Donald Trump was endorsed by a white supremacy group does not automatically make him a racist. I don't think I have heard him once say a hateful comment towards minorities. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think people are mainly focusing on the fact that he was endorsed by a white supremacy group. The college I go to is in a predominantly white town, which therefore makes my college a predominantly white institution. I was reading a lot of what people were saying on Twitter last night and a lot of it is really hateful and downright disrespectful. I understand that people are entitled to their own opinion, but there is a difference between just voicing your opinion and being hateful and disrespectful. I hated how in most of the tweets, they mentioned pretty racist stuff and most of the people who made those tweets were African American. They accused all white people being racist and being Trump supporters. Just because I'm white doesn't automatically make me racist and a Trump supporter. A lot of the other tweets that were made, a lot of people were saying how they were going to transfer to from our college just because of there being a majority of Trump supporters in the area. Who honestly cares if there are Trump supporters in the area? What does that have to do with you going to the college in the area? Just because you're of the African American race or any other minority race and you see a caucasian person being hateful towards you does not automatically make the entire caucasian race hateful and racists. I'm not a racist person. A lot of my friends are of minority races and my best friend since the 4th grade is El Salvadorian (her parents are originally from El Salvador, but she and her younger sister were born in the United States).

A lot of the other tweets that were made, people were also saying things like how they fear for their lives and all of that stuff. I'm fearing for my life because of the people who are threatening to do stuff even though they probably won't do it. I don't want to be walking to class and have someone pull a gun and shoot me because I'm white and they think I'm a Trump supporter. You would be surprised at how far people will go.

I think Trump may do some good to our country. A lot of people are quick to assume that our country is done for, but he was just elected president at 2:30 am or 3:00 am today. His inauguration isn't until January of next year, so, don't be so quick to assume that our country is done for. Who knows maybe he won't do a lot of the things he claims he may do (for example, decreasing a disabled person's payments by 20%, etc.). There's a difference between saying you're going to do something and actually doing it.

I'm not too familiar on what Donald Trump has said about the LGBTQ+ community, but as I have stated before, his opinions on certain issues and/or topics have changed dramatically since he started his 2016 Presidential campaign.

I don't like how people are quick to judge someone based on their beliefs. I'm not a registered voter, so, I don't have a lot of room to talk I know this post may seem like I support Donald Trump, but I really don't. I'm not registered as a Republican nor am I registered as a Democrat or a third party. I don't think anyone is truly 100% Republican or 100% Democrat or 100% third party.

People on Twitter have basically been saying how they want to kill themselves or hurt themselves because Donald Trump was elected president. That's a little extreme, don't you think? I, mean I understand where they are coming from, but that's going a bit overboard. If you feel that you may hurt yourself or kill yourself, try talking to a therapist, a close family member, a close friend, etc. about your feelings and they will be able to help you out.

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Politicians say they are going to do all of these things, but in actuality, most of those things don't get done. Donald Trump is a businessman and may he very well try to run the country like a business, he may actually help the economy out a lot because of his experience in business (even though he has declared bankruptcy a few times, I think).


I don't know why people are hating Donald Trump so much. Granted, there are some some questionable things that he has done/said, but there is a difference hating a group of people and making one hateful comment towards certain groups of people. I'm sure a fair amount of people on this website has made at least one hateful comment to someone in their everyday life, whether directly to that person's face or behind their backs. I think the media takes a lot of things out of context and that makes people believe one thing and not the other. I think people need to do research before making accusations about someone. Just because Donald Trump made one comment about disabled people (for example, Trump and the disabled reporter incident) does not automatically make him hate disabled people. It only becomes hate if he is continually is making hateful comments towards disabled people and is also mocking them.

I know earlier in his campaign he was talking about building a wall, but as you can see later on in his campaign, that he doesn't really talk about building that wall anymore. Maybe I'm wrong, but I haven't really heard him recently talking about it.

Another thing I think people are blowing out of proportion is Trump's complete shutdown of muslims entering the United States. A lot of the stuff Trump has said about this was early on in his campaign and it seems like people are focusing on stuff he has mentioned months ago. If you look at his stances now, he has backed off on some issues.

Trump has no political experience whatsoever, but there is another U.S. president who had little to no experience in politics before being elected president. Even though Ronald Reagan was governor of california for 8 years, that's still not a lot of political experience, but it's still more then what Donald Trump has.

Even though I didn't particularly like the comments he made towards women, he has since apologized for making those comments. Whether people accept his apology or not, that's their decision.

Trump isn't afraid to speak his mind and that is probably why a lot of people voted for him. He's not afraid to say what's on his mind. A lot of the things he has said, people take out of context, while he is just simply stating the truth (for example, I think in one of his speeches he made earlier on in his campaign, he said he could be walking down the street, shoot someone, and not get into trouble at all). It's kind of true that he wouldn't really get into trouble at all. In today's day and age, we are still dealing with racism and I don't like the fact that people assume that Donald Trump is a racist because of that one comment he made. The comments he made about Hispanics or Mexicans in general or just the men being rapists, drug dealers, etc. Just because a small amount of that population is those things (and believe me I have seen drug deals and other things go on in my hometown), does not automatically make the entire population rapists, drug dealers, etc.

Just because Donald Trump was endorsed by a white supremacy group does not automatically make him a racist. I don't think I have heard him once say a hateful comment towards minorities. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think people are mainly focusing on the fact that he was endorsed by a white supremacy group. The college I go to is in a predominantly white town, which therefore makes my college a predominantly white institution. I was reading a lot of what people were saying on Twitter last night and a lot of it is really hateful and downright disrespectful. I understand that people are entitled to their own opinion, but there is a difference between just voicing your opinion and being hateful and disrespectful. I hated how in most of the tweets, they mentioned pretty racist stuff and most of the people who made those tweets were African American. They accused all white people being racist and being Trump supporters. Just because I'm white doesn't automatically make me racist and a Trump supporter. A lot of the other tweets that were made, a lot of people were saying how they were going to transfer to from our college just because of there being a majority of Trump supporters in the area. Who honestly cares if there are Trump supporters in the area? What does that have to do with you going to the college in the area? Just because you're of the African American race or any other minority race and you see a caucasian person being hateful towards you does not automatically make the entire caucasian race hateful and racists. I'm not a racist person. A lot of my friends are of minority races and my best friend since the 4th grade is El Salvadorian (her parents are originally from El Salvador, but she and her younger sister were born in the United States).

A lot of the other tweets that were made, people were also saying things like how they fear for their lives and all of that stuff. I'm fearing for my life because of the people who are threatening to do stuff even though they probably won't do it. I don't want to be walking to class and have someone pull a gun and shoot me because I'm white and they think I'm a Trump supporter. You would be surprised at how far people will go.

I think Trump may do some good to our country. A lot of people are quick to assume that our country is done for, but he was just elected president at 2:30 am or 3:00 am today. His inauguration isn't until January of next year, so, don't be so quick to assume that our country is done for. Who knows maybe he won't do a lot of the things he claims he may do (for example, decreasing a disabled person's payments by 20%, etc.). There's a difference between saying you're going to do something and actually doing it.

I'm not too familiar on what Donald Trump has said about the LGBTQ+ community, but as I have stated before, his opinions on certain issues and/or topics have changed dramatically since he started his 2016 Presidential campaign.

I don't like how people are quick to judge someone based on their beliefs.

People on Twitter have basically been saying how they want to kill themselves or hurt themselves because Donald Trump was elected president. That's a little extreme, don't you think? I, mean I understand where they are coming from, but that's going a bit overboard. If you feel that you may hurt yourself or kill yourself, try talking to a therapist, a close family member, a close friend, etc. about your feelings and they will be able to help you out.

I apologize if I may have offended anyone and if I have, you can unfriend me on here if you no longer respect me and even hate me because of what I said. I'm just voicing my opinion.
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He wants to overturn Roe v Wade.

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Uh... got it. Yeah, I'm fairly certain I'm entirely to blame for this.

To Zelda, I left a link up there about how there is a good chance Trump relegates policy-making to his VP, Mike Pence. He's a horrible human being. He's made discriminatory laws toward LGBT, screwed the poor, and (although I'm not pro-choice) shut down abortion centers without giving women any sort of safety net. He also believes in conversion therapy, which has proven to do more harm than good. I read about one therapy camp on Facebook (so, possibly fake) that made an unbelievable amount of LGBTQs hate themselves so much, they committed suicide. The camp's response? Better dead than gay. That's the type of monster we might have controlling the country.
And being compared to Reagan in any way, I'd argue, is a bad thing. He and Margaret Thatcher were the original neoliberals. He had globalist ideas like NAFTA that wrecked the middle class, but were passed by Democratic Bill Clinton (another neoliberal, not liberal) so the narrative is totally different. And Reaganomics killed our country. Lower taxes on the rich, and destroy our infrastructure. Great.
One possible plus I see from Trump, and I actually mocked the idea earlier... Putin wants to normalize relations with the US. I'm not sure how I should feel about that. 3 hours after Trump won? I think Trump might have really been a puppet, and this is Putin's way of crushing NATO. Well, hey... Putin wouldn't go to war with us then, I guess. Just Europe. (Btw, watch out Europeans (sorry again))


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